My Earth2 Challenge

[yeshuaslavejeff]

....what God? There's a God?? Why would anyone reject a God if he existed? Now, if only there was one who cared enough to make itself known....

keith green: "After all, don't many cults use the same Bible that we cherish as God's Holy Word, and yet distort and twist the meaning "to their own destruction"?9 And didn't the devil himself quote Scripture to Jesus? As you can see, a wicked heart can pervert even the most holy and beautiful of things. And in the same way, God can take even the filthiest of vessels and use it for His glory.10 (Just look at you and me!) Believe me, if your heart is right, then your music will be right too. But if your heart is full of selfishness and pride, then even if you sing the sweetest hymn, your song will work death and not life. For...

"A good man, out of the good treasure of his heart, brings forth what is good, and an evil man, out of the evil treasure, brings forth what is evil, for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart." "

 

[AV1611VET]

Given you all make the same unevidenced claims, I'm not making any decision on anything presented. I prefer to have more convincing evidence first.

I think the term you're overlooking (on purpose?) is called:

"Throwing the baby out with the bathwater."

 

[inquiring mind]

Tomorrow, God creates another planet ex nihilo that's a mirror image of this one, except without people on it.

Skyscrapers, automobiles, job applications on desks, cell phones showing calls having been made, stop lights turning green-yellow-red, ships at sea with logs stating when they left and where they're going, newspapers reporting the news, etc. and so on.

And, of course, documentation to the effect of: "I created this planet ex nihilo as a mirror image of Earth1 as Earth1 existed yesterday. Don't be fooled by thinking this planet was inhabited."

Deception or no deception?

Note: Yes, the documentation would contradict the documentation found in the Bibles on Earth2; and yes, Earth2 could be considered a modified form of Last Thursday ... but humor me for the sake of understanding the point I'm making.

A Genesis II so to speak... no deception at all, but the scientific research and evidence would confirm in every way that it had been inhabited. I'm assuming that if it's a mirror image it would also have corpses in the ground, even if living beings were not currently or had ever been present there.

 

[Non sequitur]

You're claiming all those have cause-and-effect evidence for their gods, and yet you're still an atheist!?

What gives?

You never commented on my response. Just curious to hear your input.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

keith green: "After all, don't many cults use the same Bible that we cherish as God's Holy Word, and yet distort and twist the meaning "to their own destruction"?

heh! That's what the Jews say about all the religions that came after them!

9 And didn't the devil himself quote Scripture to Jesus? As you can see, a wicked heart can pervert even the most holy and beautiful of things. And in the same way, God can take even the filthiest of vessels and use it for His glory.10 (Just look at you and me!) Believe me, if your heart is right, then your music will be right too. But if your heart is full of selfishness and pride, then even if you sing the sweetest hymn, your song will work death and not life. For...

"A good man, out of the good treasure of his heart, brings forth what is good, and an evil man, out of the evil treasure, brings forth what is evil, for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart." "

...as for the rest of this, not sure of your point - but no deity has made itself clear to us yet... or perhaps there's an insult in there somewhere for me? ..... nah, that'd be "un-christian" like, right @yeshuaslavejeff?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

I think the term you're overlooking (on purpose?) is called:

"Throwing the baby out with the bathwater."

Sure, if you say so - Point out the baby for me...

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

heh! That's what the Jews say about all the religions that came after them!

...as for the rest of this, not sure of your point - but no deity has made itself clear to us yet... or perhaps there's an insult in there somewhere for me? ..... nah, that'd be "un-christian" like, right @yeshuaslavejeff?

Those Jews are not afar off from the truth - almost all religions are as they say.

You mean you have not yet accepted Yahweh nor His Word nor all Creation
as His clear and unmistakable message to you.
An insult? < shrugs > IF you reject the Creator, that is your eternal death, your choice.

All through Scripture and history with our lifetime also, is countless people Yahweh made Himself known to, CLEARLY and with no deception. Perfectly in line and harmony with all of His Word and Plan and Purpose in Christ Jesus the Lord and Savior.

To reject Him is to reject Life, Truth and Hope. Everyone chooses to do that,
or to believe Him and seek Life in Jesus.

 

[Dirk1540]

...Skyscrapers, automobiles, job applications on desks, cell phones showing calls having been made, stop lights turning green-yellow-red, ships at sea with logs stating when they left and where they're going, newspapers reporting the news, etc. and so on.

Would this Earth #2 have Bizarro World type features such as the remains of a CF #2 which contained a member called AV1611VET #2 who only had a post count of 37, all of which defended atheism lol?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Those Jews are not afar off from the truth - almost all religions are as they say.

You mean you have not yet accepted Yahweh nor His Word nor all Creation
as His clear and unmistakable message to you.

What clear and unmistakable message is this again? If it were so clear and so unmistakable, how is it there's thousands of denominations, let alone thousands of religions that don't even acknowledge Jesus as even existing...

An insult? < shrugs > IF you reject the Creator, that is your eternal death, your choice.

Well, it isn't because Belief isn't a choice... As soon as I get some evidence of such a beings' existence, I'll cross that bridge then. Until then, I reserve judgment - exactly the same as I have every other God that's ever been proposed to me without sufficient evidence.

All through Scripture and history with our lifetime also, is countless people Yahweh made Himself known to, CLEARLY and with no deception. Perfectly in line and harmony with all of His Word and Plan and Purpose in Christ Jesus the Lord and Savior.

When will Yahweh make himself known to me like he did them? Isn't he leaving it a little late, or am I not important?

To reject Him is to reject Life, Truth and Hope. Everyone chooses to do that,
or to believe Him and seek Life in Jesus.

If he (and this is the same for any God of whatever Religion turns out to be the correct one.... if there is one, that is) makes himself known to me, CLEARLY and with no deception then I'd have no choice but to believe him - that's why I know he hasn't done so yet. I guess I remain in limbo waiting for him to CLEARLY make himself known to me, because I haven't sufficient evidence to reject him yet. I've only pointed out the lack of evidence where people claiming to know their God (not just yours) and demanding that I follow their God too.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Recently I heard for the first time for me Keith Green's Testimony of how he was saved (born again). For two years after believing in Jesus, as a 'Christian',
he still was not born again (as this remains the Father's choice, not man's)
then one day Keith 'looked up' and said something like "OKAY JESUS, YOU ARE GOD as YOU SAY YOU ARE" .... and in that moment Yahweh granted Keith new birth (born again). His life was completely changed from the heart out (from the inside out - NOT by outward rules, actions, or Keith's "doing" or will, but by God's Will from heaven)

When someone has faith, and at the appointed time for them the Father chooses by His Will they be born again, they are.

Simple.

 

[AV1611VET]

Would this Earth #2 have Bizarro World type features such as the remains of a CF #2 which contained a member called AV1611VET #2 who only had a post count of 37, all of which defended atheism lol?

-- Now that would be bizarro!

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Tomorrow, God creates another planet ex nihilo that's a mirror image of this one, except without people on it.

Skyscrapers, automobiles, job applications on desks, cell phones showing calls having been made, stop lights turning green-yellow-red, ships at sea with logs stating when they left and where they're going, newspapers reporting the news, etc. and so on.

And, of course, documentation to the effect of: "I created this planet ex nihilo as a mirror image of Earth1 as Earth1 existed yesterday. Don't be fooled by thinking this planet was inhabited."

Deception or no deception?

Note: Yes, the documentation would contradict the documentation found in the Bibles on Earth2; and yes, Earth2 could be considered a modified form of Last Thursday ... but humor me for the sake of understanding the point I'm making.

In what way is it a mirror image? A mirror image has everything reversed, so how is this seen on your new planet? And what does the documentation say about who (or what) made the phone calls, wrote the ships' logs, ate the half-eaten hamburgers, defecated the waste floating in the sewers? Does it mention where those individuals have gone? Does the documentation explain cemeteries and buried humans?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Deception or no deception?

You answer your own question:

Note: Yes, the documentation would contradict the documentation found in the Bibles on Earth2

When is a contradiction not a deception? When it's an AV challenge....

 

[AV1611VET]

In what way is it a mirror image? A mirror image has everything reversed, so how is this seen on your new planet?

Nice try.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Nice try.

Was the rest of my post just too inconvenient to address?

 

[AV1611VET]

Was the rest of my post just too inconvenient to address?

Everything you need is in the OP.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Everything you need is in the OP.

Based on the poorly worded OP it is deceptive since there are animals inhabiting Earth2.

 

[AV1611VET]

Based on the poorly worded OP it is deceptive since there are animals inhabiting Earth2.

As I said: nice try.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

As I said: nice try.

It's better that that. It's a slam dunk. Where was the challenge?

 

[AV1611VET]

Where was the challenge?

Would you see one, if one was there?