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MY DNA made me do it?

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by joshua 1 9, Jun 18, 2016.

  1. DogmaHunter

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    Did you really just say that it actually doesn't matter if the bible is correct or not?

    Indeed, it seems that that is exactly what you are saying.
    Well, in that case, there is nothing left to talk about. If you are flat out admitting that you don't care wheter or not these stories are actually true, and you are simply content in believing them anyway, then....yea....



    The difference is, off course, that scientific theories are actually helpfull. They actually contribute to knowledge and practical applications. They actually have explanatory power.

    Scripture-story-beliefs won't help you in flying a spaceship to the moon. In some cases though, it will only help you flying a plane into a building. While both the plane and the building exist thanks to science.

    I'm sure Vikings once felt the same way about Thor and Whalhala.
     
  2. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    What I have said is that if YOU reject the truth then you still have to deal with the Archetypes that we find in the Bible and you have failed to address this issue.
     
  3. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I am a descendant of the Vikings and what happened in the year 800 is that the Vikings were offered some land by France IF they gave up their Pagan beliefs and converted to Christianity. That is exactly what they did. So if the Vikings could find the truth over 1200 years ago then what is the excuse of scoffers, skeptics and infidels today who stumble around today and can not seem to find the truth? They reject a time honored tradition going back to our fathers at the beginning of recorded history and what do they get in return after having given everything? Nothing really a big fat zero. The Bible is what civilization is based on. Without the Bible you have terrorism, death, destruction and ruin. Look at the condition of the world today. We have not had a world like this sense WW2.
     
  4. DogmaHunter

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    Perhaps it's just me, but I'm not seeing what issue(s) you are talking about....
     
  5. Armoured

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    These are approaching GottServant level nonsensical.
     
  6. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Only nonsense to those who are perishing and those who deny the Precious Blood of Jesus.
     
  7. DogmaHunter

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    "find truth"???

    Being opportunistic in professing a belief in order to gain land is "finding truth" now?

    Every non-christian civilisation in history disagrees.

    Also, the secular country I live in, is not based on anything biblical, but on secular concepts.

    We might have a judeo-christian culture, but that's an entirely different aspect. That's historical baggage and tradition. Everyone has a past. Civilisations are no different.

    That's completely ridiculous. Not to mention demonstrably wrong.

    Take something as simple as the US as compared to the rest of the western secular world.

    The US is BY FAR the most religious western country. Christianity still plays a very big role in both private and public life in the US, as opposed to other western secular nations.

    Yet, the US is also the leader in violence, crime rates, etc.
    "home terrorism" is a FAR bigger problem in the US then "foreign terrorism".

    It's quite ironic really... some time ago, the US issued a "warning" to its citizens to be extra carefull when visiting places like Istanbul and even avoid it if possible because of the apparantly big "threat" of becoming victims of violence by terrorists.

    The ironic part was that merely living in Chicago exposes you to many, many times the risque of getting shot or otherwise being a victim of a violent act.

    See, when we look at the actual world, we see the exact opposite of what you claim. Countries with higher religiosity have HIGHER rates of crime, violence, death, etc as opposed to secular democracies with lower religiosity levels.

    Indeed, let's. You may start by explaining why crime rates and general violence is so out of proportion high in the US as opposed to all other secular western nations.

    A world like what, exactly?
     
  8. Cearbhall

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    ...what?
    Wait what?
    Is that what you told your high school teachers when they pointed out the flaws in your arguments?
     
  9. Armoured

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  10. bhsmte

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    What truth?

    Please demonstrate.
     
  11. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The truth that we find in the Bible going back to Moses 3500 years ago. Each and every person has to discover the truth in the Bible for themselves. You can not blame me or anyone because you are responsible to discover truth for yourself.
     
  12. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I am not the subject of the conversation and personal attacks are always against the forum rules.
     
  13. bhsmte

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    Claim not truth.

    That will remain reality, no matter how many times you repeat yourself.
     
  14. joshua 1 9

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    As soon as you use the term neo-Darwinian evolution you are admitting that Darwin somehow got it wrong and a creationist has to fix it for him. They wanted to use the term post neo-Darwinism but that was just to much of an embarrassment for evolutionists. So they just continue to come up with a new theories and call the new theory by the old name.
     
  15. Armoured

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    Darwin didn't "get it wrong". Subsequent scientists have improved the accuracy of his theory, which is how science works. No creationists required.
     
  16. bhsmte

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    I thought you claimed to know science?

    New evidence, will alter older theories and improve them.

    Even collins has been quoted, how amazed darwin would be today, in regards to how dna has supported his basic theory and he didnt even know dna existed.

    You gotta love evidence.
     
  17. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The Bible represents the truth. My claim would be my understanding or interpretation of the Bible. For example the Bible says: "you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." Now it is up to you to understand what that means. If I say: People are in bondage because they do not know the truth, then that is my understanding and my interpretation of what the Bible is saying. Jesus tells us that: "Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin." Now we see what the Bible teaches that people that commits sin are in bondage or a slave of sin. Just like the Bible says that: "The rich rule over the poor, and the borrower is slave to the lender." I can tell people that they do not have to be a slave that they can be set free from their bondage. This only shows them what is available for them. They still need to find that freedom for themselves. I can not pay the price of redemption for them. Only Jesus is able to redeem them. Only He is the one that can pay the price of redemption.
     
  18. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Ok, have it your way. Darwin was lazy and did not work his theory all the way though. But he was sick and maybe he did not feel good that day.
     
  19. bhsmte

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    Nope.

    You have never supported this claim.
     
  20. bhsmte

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    You do reveal yourself quite well in your posts.
     
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