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Perhaps it's because you didn't give me any Scripture to support that claim.As I pointed out in my response, the attack was carried out with respect to the bible and you handwaved that away.
Shoko Asahara published the book "Declaring Myself the Christ: Disclosing the True Meanings of Jesus Christ's Gospels". He called himself "Christ" and "The Lamb of God" and said that that his mission was to take away the sins of others, in a similar fashion to Jesus. He also prophesied an apocalyptic end to the world based on Armaggedon in Revelation.Perhaps it's because you didn't give me any Scripture to support that claim.
Let's see book, chapter, and verse.
I can't read a newspaper through a translucent window.
I want something specific and concrete.
Not some vague remark, no matter how academic it may sound.
And based on that, you expect me to believe he rightfully* killed 12 people and injured 5000?Shoko Asahara published the book "Declaring Myself the Christ: Disclosing the True Meanings of Jesus Christ's Gospels". He called himself "Christ" and "The Lamb of God" and said that that his mission was to take away the sins of others, in a similar fashion to Jesus. He also prophesied an apocalyptic end to the world based on Armaggedon in Revelation.
He certainly believed so.And based on that, you expect me to believe he rightfully* killed 12 people and injured 5000?
* According to the Bible.
He may have certainly believed so, but he certainly believed wrong.He certainly believed so.
Fair enough.Bungle_Bear said:Cue handwaving and claims of "my interpretation of the bible is right, his was wrong".
And there it is - the arrogance of the self-appointed bible interpreter. "My interpretation is the correct one, so Shoko Asahara was wrong". You don't even know what his beliefs were, yet you know they were wrong. To borrow a quote from Ted Lasso "Hubris, thy name is AV"He may have certainly believed so, but he certainly believed wrong.Fair enough.
I'm not the one who claims to have the only correct interpretation of the bible. I don't consider his beliefs to be well-grounded or suasive, but since I don't find the bible to be suasive either I wouldn't condemn them based on my understanding of the bible but rather on my own moral convictions.Forget me.
Let's see if you're honest enough to say the Bible condemns him as wrong.
Isn't it sad that a man can gas over 5000 people with the intent to kill them, and you don't know if the Bible condemns that or not?And there it is - the arrogance of the self-appointed bible interpreter. "My interpretation is the correct one, so Shoko Asahara was wrong". You don't even know what his beliefs were, yet you know they were wrong. To borrow a quote from Ted Lasso "Hubris, thy name is AV"
I'm not the one who claims to have the only correct interpretation of the bible. I don't consider his beliefs to be well-grounded or suasive, but since I don't find the bible to be suasive either I wouldn't condemn them based on my understanding of the bible but rather on my own moral convictions.
It's a long time since I read the bible, but ISTR passages where God explicitly tells His people to massacre their enemies and enslave their women. So, I would guess it doesn't condemn it...Isn't it sad that a man can gas over 5000 people with the intent to kill them, and you don't know if the Bible condemns that or not?
Nice try / won't work:It's a long time since I read the bible, but ISTR passages where God explicitly tells His people to massacre their enemies and enslave their women.
Handwaving again. And claiming once more that your interpretation of the bible is correct while others must be wrong. QED.Nice try / won't work:
Remember the story of Jonah and the whale?
- Tokyo is not the Promised Land.
- Shoko Asahara was not "God's people".
- Those 5000+ victims were not the Jew's enemy; nor squatters on their land.
Jonah 4:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?
Then why aren't we doing it?But my point wasn't that the bible encourages mass murder,
I'm explaining why I won't take this advice, that was given to me by another poster:Bungle_Bear said:Shoko Asahara had a lot of biblical based beliefs, but you want to blame his actions solely on his choice of Shiva as a god worthy of worship.
Maybe you should start leaving offerings of milk and flowers out for Shiva.
For my part it's because I don't consider it acceptable. I can't speak for others.Then why aren't we doing it?
I didn't ask you to worship Shiva. I asked you to stop ignoring the influence of the bible on Shoko Asahara's beliefs.I'm explaining why I won't take this advice, that was given to me by another poster:
Do you really want me to think you don't know why Christians aren't committing mass murder with respect to the Bible?For my part it's because I don't consider it acceptable. I can't speak for others.
What influence specifically?Bungle_Bear said:I didn't ask you to worship Shiva. I asked you to stop ignoring the influence of the bible on Shoko Asahara's beliefs.
You've already handwaved away the evidence which shows this to be incorrect, so what can I say?Maybe it's because mass murder isn't with respect to the Bible, but in spite of It?
Is that the best you've got? Grasping at straws? The man wrote a book about it, but you just cannot bring yourself to accept the truth.The Bible, if It truly would have influenced Shoko Asahara, would have him rejecting Shiva.
You can start by admitting:You've already handwaved away the evidence which shows this to be incorrect, so what can I say?
Relevance?You can start by admitting:
- Tokyo is not the Promised Land.
- Shoko Asahara was not "God's people".
- Those 5000+ victims were not the Jew's enemy; nor squatters on their land.
Are we done now?Relevance?
Way to miss the point - which is that the bible stories provide encouragement & support for anyone that believes God is telling them to kill large numbers of people; or, at least, that such activity is consistent with biblical examples.Nice try / won't work:
Remember the story of Jonah and the whale?
- Tokyo is not the Promised Land.
- Shoko Asahara was not "God's people".
- Those 5000+ victims were not the Jew's enemy; nor squatters on their land.
Jonah 4:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?
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