My Creationist Challenge

[Skavau]

The only thing we learn from being wrong is that we are wrong.

What? This is laced with so much anti-intellectualism I don't know where to begin. I'll apply to your faith in God. Presumably at some point you must have come to the conclusion that your understanding of scripture in some regards was wrong to what it actually said. What did you think when you discovered that?

Only in science is being wrong a victory.

In Christianity faith is the victory.

In science wrong is the victory.

I think I'll stick with faith. You can stick with wrong.

So when will you be selling your stuff? I mean, all of your material possessions owe their existence to the science in one way or another. Can I have your computer?

 

[TheReasoner]

What? This is laced with so much anti-intellectualism I don't know where to begin. I'll apply to your faith in God. Presumably at some point you must have come to the conclusion that your understanding of scripture in some regards was wrong to what it actually said. What did you think when you discovered that?


So when will you be selling your stuff? I mean, all of your material possessions owe their existence to the science in one way or another. Can I have your computer?

For the record, I - and many more believers with me - do not at ALL see doveaman and AVs viewpoints as remotely representative of the faith.

I, for one, think the human fallibility crucial and the acceptance of the fact that we as humans will be wrong on nearly anything imaginable as important parts of the Christian faith.

 

[Skavau]

For the record, I - and many more believers with me - do not at ALL see doveaman and AVs viewpoints as remotely representative of the faith.

I, for one, think the human fallibility crucial and the acceptance of the fact that we as humans will be wrong on nearly anything imaginable as important parts of the Christian faith.

Don't worry, I know I'm addressing literalists, anti-intellectuals and borderline solipsists that deny the application and utility of human endeavour. I understand that your representation of the faith does a far better job for humility and encourages pragmatism and progression.

 

[Doveaman]

You don't get it, do you?

You've still learned something new. That's the point.

The only thing we learn from being wrong is that we are wrong.

We learn something new from a new experience.

 

[Skavau]

The only thing we learn from being wrong is that we are wrong.

We learn something new from a new experience.

And learning that something you thought was true for a long time was wrong all long is a new experience. You necessarily discover even if just in part, why you were wrong and if you are really fortunate you learn what is true.

But since you seem to loath learning and understanding of the world, you wouldn't understand.

 

[Doveaman]

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Here:
Amazon.com: Biology, 7th Edition (Book & CD-ROM) (9780805371468): Neil A. Campbell, Jane B. Reece: Books
Amazon.com: Lehninger Principles of Biochemistry 5th Fifth Edition: David L. Nelson: Books
Amazon.com: Biotechnology for Beginners (9780123735812): Reinhard Renneberg, Arnold L. Demain: Books

Do you have anything that proves birds evolved from dinosaurs or man from apes? Notice I said “proves”.

The Renneberg book is a good starting point. It's easy to understand for leymen. The other two provide a decent fundamental understanding of some necessary things. I can recommend these books because both my wife and I use them. So we're familiar with them. Ask the other people here with relevant educations for more advanced literature.

Just provide some relevant information about the dinosaurs and apes as requested above. That will be enough.

THat said: Before you start saying that "the evos" have it wrong, perhaps you should learn what evolution is beyond the basics you learn at high school?

What I know about evolution theory is that it is just a theory.

I, for one, think the human fallibility crucial and the acceptance of the fact that we as humans will be wrong on nearly anything imaginable as important parts of the Christian faith.

I hear ya, brother.

Which reminds me:

“Let God be true, and every man a liar.” - Rom 3:4.

Another important part of the Christian faith is that you are all not only wrong, but you are also liars.

 

[AV1611VET]

For the record, I - and many more believers with me - do not at ALL see doveaman and AVs viewpoints as remotely representative of the faith.

I, for one, think the human fallibility crucial and the acceptance of the fact that we as humans will be wrong on nearly anything imaginable as important parts of the Christian faith.

Don't worry, I know I'm addressing literalists, anti-intellectuals and borderline solipsists that deny the application and utility of human endeavour. I understand that your representation of the faith does a far better job for humility and encourages pragmatism and progression.

You Internet critics feel free to answer the OP yourselves now.

 

[Doveaman]

And learning that something you thought was true for a long time was wrong all long is a new experience.

In this case you did not learn from the new experience; the new experience is the result of learning that you are wrong. You can then go on from there to learn new things from that experience.

 

[Hespera]

for those such as have nothing to contribute but their post count please leave

 

[Skavau]

In this case you did not learn from the new experience; the new experience is the result of learning that you are wrong. You can then go on from there to learn new things from that experience.

But you were able to discover new information that led you to discarding old incorrect information. Which is a step closer to discerning reality more accurately. Which is a good thing.

 

[Hespera]

Do you have anything that proves birds evolved from dinosaurs or man from apes? Notice I said “proves”.
Just provide some relevant information about the dinosaurs and apes as requested above. That will be enough.
What I know about evolution theory is that it is just a theory.
I hear ya, brother.

Which reminds me:

“Let God be true, and every man a liar.” - Rom 3:4.

Another important part of the Christian faith is that you are all not only wrong, but you are also liars.

so everyone is a liar all the time. Check.

Im only looking for something very simple.

do you know that your asking for 'proof" of theory is nonsense?
if not, learn. If so, why do you keep doing it?

all i hoped for was something as simple as the people who keep talking "darwinism" to aaccept that the term is nonsense, and stop using it, or the ones who talk "scientism' and "evolutionism". Agree that those are wrong terms, and quit.

Or maybe the ones who were sold on the Paluxy mantracks, to see that they are fake. Or that the "C14 in diamonds" is without substance.
Or that the rapid erosion around St Helens means nothing about how the grand canyon could have been carved fast. No matter that we pint out its soft unconsolidated ash; you could erode it with a garden hose. Nope, it means solid rock can also erode fast.

It doesnt mean you renounce faith, agree to evolution, any of that. Just accept that on even ONE DETAIL you guys are wrong about something.

I think that a creo is mentally incapable of it.

so far the theory holds, and you guys keep adding to it.

 

[Skavau]

What I know about evolution theory is that it is just a theory.

You can add this to how you're wrong about evolution. Do you know what the word 'theory' actually means in a scientific context?

“Let God be true, and every man a liar.” - Rom 3:4.

Another important part of the Christian faith is that you are all not only wrong, but you are also liars.

Are you suggesting that every single evolutionist and atheist are knowingly deceiving at all times about their non-belief and 'support' for the biological theory of evolution?

 

[AV1611VET]

I think that a creo is mentally incapable of it.

Excuse me?

I thought I (and Dove) answered your challenge.

You want me to do it again?

 

[AV1611VET]

I think that a creo is mentally incapable of it.

so far the theory holds, and you guys keep adding to it.

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[Hespera]

What does it say about a person, when he cant get the message that he is not welcome.

 

[hisbeloved67]

What does it say about a person, when he cant get the message that he is not welcome.

This question seems ironic to me,considering it is in a Christian forum and is directed at creationist,but then you say he is not welcome? if you wanted someone to agree with you why would you be in a Christian forum spouting evolution?

or maybe i am missing something here

 

[Supernaut]

This question seems ironic to me,considering it is in a Christian forum and is directed at creationist,but then you say he is not welcome? if you wanted someone to agree with you why would you be in a Christian forum spouting evolution?

If you bothered to pay attention, perhaps you would understand.

 

[AV1611VET]

What does it say about a person, when he cant get the message that he is not welcome.

Hespera, I don't mean to be rude or anything, but this is about the third thread you've asked me to leave, or let me know that I'm not welcome.

Then you continue venting your venom against us.

Well ... I don't plan on leaving this thread and let you continue carte blanche; not that my other brothers and sisters will let you spout your garbage unchecked, but I want in on the action too.

 

[AV1611VET]

This question seems ironic to me,considering it is in a Christian forum and is directed at creationist,but then you say he is not welcome? if you wanted someone to agree with you why would you be in a Christian forum spouting evolution?

Thank you, sis.

 

[Hespera]

This question seems ironic to me,considering it is in a Christian forum and is directed at creationist,but then you say he is not welcome? if you wanted someone to agree with you why would you be in a Christian forum spouting evolution?

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