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My Creationist Challenge

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I think it's great you're starting to get more parties in the US. And sad that it seems most is going further right and more authoritarian :-/

Of course I'm left wing liberal myself. Not that I have a problem with right wingers, just don't share their political and economic views.

Not to continue to tangent away from Hespera's OP as AV loves to do with every thread he pollutes, but this is one of the problems and/or benifits of our two party system. "Third" parties tend to be even more fringe than the most far out wings of either the Democrats or Republicans. The Constitution Party wants a theocracy. The Greens want to resurrect the Soviet Union in America. The Libertarians want to get rid of drug laws, gun laws, immigration laws and regulartory agencies like the Food and Drug Administration.

As a further aside and this seems like the most sequitorial thread to include it in, back in the early 80s I visited Oslo, Bergen and Narvik. Norway is such a beautiful country with wonderful citizens.

Why not? Are you saying I won't bother to memorize it or that I will be restricted somehow from disagreeing with such viewpoints?

Not to be too flipplant, but why are you even responding to him? At this point he warrents his own mention in Wikipedia under the entry for troll.
 
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Not to be too flipplant, but why are you even responding to him? At this point he warrents his own mention in Wikipedia under the entry for troll.

It's a shame Encyclopedia Dramatica got pulled.
 
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Not to continue to tangent away from Hespera's OP as AV loves to do with every thread he pollutes, but this is one of the problems and/or benifits of our two party system. "Third" parties tend to be even more fringe than the most far out wings of either the Democrats or Republicans. The Constitution Party wants a theocracy. The Greens want to resurrect the Soviet Union in America. The Libertarians want to get rid of drug laws, gun laws, immigration laws and regulartory agencies like the Food and Drug Administration.

Yeah. I know a little about the US political scene. It fascinates me and it is a little easy to study because of the apparent contrasts. The two major parties you have aren't really all that different when compared to our own parties, more like fluctuations within some of our most right wing parties around. So it makes for an interesting study for that reason. Besides it's relevant to me because my wife's Texan, and I did at one point study at an American school. Plus the US is a close ally, and a major contributor when it comes to my own field of study - nanotechnology as well as my former field of work: IT.

The greens I am not familiar with though. Resurrect the Soviet Union? Are they actually totalitarian marxists wanting a transitional proletariat despotism in the hunt for a communistic utopia? I thought that was the domain of only one party in the states, the communist party. Or was it just a figure of speech? I'm really a stickler for definitions most of the time you see :p

As a further aside and this seems like the most sequitorial thread to include it in, back in the early 80s I visited Oslo, Bergen and Narvik. Norway is such a beautiful country with wonderful citizens.

Thank you. I can most assuredly say the same about Americans. I love visiting your nation. You have something I can't seem to find much of here: You're by and large far easier to get in touch with, and form friendships with. You're usually a likable bunch with a very high degree of hospitality. I usually feel very welcome when I visit the states. And I love all the different stuff you have which we do not. Such as your roads. Oh man those highways! What a dream!

I don't know how well you know us, but just a cultural sidenote: Norwegians don't give praise lightly. And when we do give high praise... Well, let me give you a concrete example: "The food is wonderful!" in American would be said in Norwegian (especially if you're from the east) "The food didn't taste all too bad"-and yes, that's a direct translation. I may be more multicultural than most but do accept my praise as high praise - it is.

You're always welcome back to Norway you know :) It's still beautiful, and if this spring is anything to go by the summer will be a wonderful time for mountain hikes this year. Grab a backpack, a mountainbike or better yet, great hiking boots and get on up here. Nothing is like the norwegian mountains a hot summer day. Clear blue skies, warm and perfectly transparent mountain waters cleaner than most tap water ready to swim in and just love the summer weather! Not to mention the sights! On a summer day there's hardly any limit to how far you can see, especially if it's as dry as it appears it might be. Less moisture in the air and all that jazz. Still won't reach wintertime distances but even so... The heat makes up for that.
Alas, I must spend most of my summer working and taking extra classes. (No rest for neither the wicked nor the ambitious)

Not to be too flipplant, but why are you even responding to him? At this point he warrents his own mention in Wikipedia under the entry for troll.

I'm a sucker for punishment I suppose. Actually, I think there's something to that. I don't know why I keep responding to trolls and the like, but I do all too often. Stupid? Aye. Still do it though... :-/

It's my one flaw ;) (just kidding)
 
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Weren't your exact words, 'Let me guess...'?

You're still guessing, after 'about a decade'?

And you even want us to sympathize with you?

Do you want the precise month, day and year when I first encountered it?

I do not have perfect memory. I know I encountered it when I started playing D&D back in 1999-2000. I don't remember exactly when. But it may have been the winter of 99-00 it may have been a year or even two later. But it WAS during the winter, and it WAS at a friend's house. But that's as precise as I can be AV. I remember that much because we discussed the position he presented rather in depth.

Do you REALLY expect more?
 
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Challenge is for you to tell us if any of you ever agreed that you were wrong about anything when it came to an evo / creo discussion.

edited for clarity:

- brought up in such a discussion as a point for creation and against evolution / deep time.

- didnt involve just trading one creo idea for another.

Well, I recently admitted that I was wrong to use words like blasphemy to refer to anti-evolutionists.

I was stating why I felt that anti-evolutionists were anti-biblical as they deny God the ability to choose how God creates, deny God the ability to inspire passages that could mean anything other than their understanding and often use dishonest "evidences." But, I had to admit that the Christian faith and Gods' grace are not reserved just for those who understand science and theology and that I don't get to judge others intent.

So, does that count. I'm still pretty sure that strict young earth anti-evolutionism is anti-creation and destructive. But, I think that God can forgive all of us are arrogance and where it's actually well meaning forgive the damage that we do in his name. :confused:
 
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Well, I recently admitted that I was wrong to use words like blasphemy to refer to anti-evolutionists.

I was stating why I felt that anti-evolutionists were anti-biblical as they deny God the ability to choose how God creates, deny God the ability to inspire passages that could mean anything other than their understanding and often use dishonest "evidences." But, I had to admit that the Christian faith and Gods' grace are not reserved just for those who understand science and theology and that I don't get to judge others intent.

So, does that count. I'm still pretty sure that strict young earth anti-evolutionism is anti-creation and destructive. But, I think that God can forgive all of us are arrogance and where it's actually well meaning forgive the damage that we do in his name. :confused:

So, does that count.
It means you dont think you are inerrant! thats a good start. But would you say that any of those changes of heart really were about things that are arguments against evolution as such, or about the character /personality of some individulals?

its probably anti biblical in that it requires that the cultists believe their ability to interpret the bible is inerrant.

and its probably very disrespectful to such god as there may be that they elevate the written and many times translated and interpreted words of men over the very reality that their god purportedly put all around them.

may even be disrespectful to be given brains and then refuse to use them coz you think you already know the answers an thinking might mess that up.
 
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Well, I recently admitted that I was wrong to use words like blasphemy to refer to anti-evolutionists.

I was stating why I felt that anti-evolutionists were anti-biblical as they deny God the ability to choose how God creates, deny God the ability to inspire passages that could mean anything other than their understanding and often use dishonest "evidences." But, I had to admit that the Christian faith and Gods' grace are not reserved just for those who understand science and theology and that I don't get to judge others intent.

So, does that count. I'm still pretty sure that strict young earth anti-evolutionism is anti-creation and destructive. But, I think that God can forgive all of us are arrogance and where it's actually well meaning forgive the damage that we do in his name. :confused:

I'm not sure it's all that far off the mark... Heresy might fit. Hubris, something-centrist, anti-Christian sometimes fits too in the sense that it's pushing people away from christ rather efficiently. Besides, elevating one's interpretation to what can effectively be described as Godhood is hardly far off the "blasphemy" mark either.

True though. Not understanding isn't itself blasphemy. And perhaps the word doesn't really fit it. But what can one say about promoting a blatant falsehood under false pretenses, which is what YECers are doing. I can't see it as anything short of sinful.
 
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