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My Conformity Challenge
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Like you're doing in the evolutionary theory thread?
What's that song by Paul McCartney and Billy Paul?
Ebony and Irony?
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Freodin
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Wow, I am impressed: you managed to derail, switch the topic, play offended AND put all the blame on me... in just one post!
Sometimes you manage to exceed even my high expectations.
Third try, just for the records: where did Marie Curie not conform to science?
(And, because I like derailing your threads... what evolutionary theory thread are you talking about?)
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I know just as much as she did ... nothing.
Science made her pay the price for it.
As they say, ignorance is no excuse.
And Mamma Nature didn't let her off the hook.
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No AV1611VET: About 80 years after Marie Curie's death, everyone involved with radiation knows about the effects of radiation and take precautions. Science does not "demand" that radioactive material give off radiation
!Your example remains bad:
B]Marie Curie died decades before aplastic anemia was associated with radiation.[/B]
Acute radiation poisoning from injecting radioactive material was recognized in the 1930's.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the key events that linked radiation with various conditions such as aplastic anemia.
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Freodin
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You just stated that you don't know anything about it. So how can you say that science made her pay the price for it. (It? What?)
You seem to be heavily invested in your heathen deity nowadays... I fear for your salvation, pal! Worried that Mother Nature won't let you off the hook as well?
But I find it applaudable that, at least, you have come to accept the limits of reality, regardless of your mathematical mishaps.
You are still wrong about the consequences though. Science does not make anyone pay any price. Mother Nature does not hook or let go anyone.
There is only one reality. Science is but a way to understand it. Without it, we still have to "conform" to reality... but we wouldn't understand it. And by understanding it, we have a way to know the limits in which we can conform reality to us.
But reality does not conform to our wishes, nor to our ignorance.
(And you still haven't told me which evolutionary theory thread I have derailed, evaded or whatevered. Inquiring minds want to know. Scientists, you know?)
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No mention of technology in the OP question, AV1611VET.
At least we now have the actual thread topic: The trivial fact that new discoveries in science lead to new technology
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Actually you fantasized about Mrs. Curie, AV1611VET:
AV1611VET: Marie Curie lived, worked and died before aplastic anemia was associated with radiation! Marie Curie even lived and worked before acute radiation poisoning was discovered.
Marie Curie could not "conform" to science that was not discovered until after her death.
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"true science": snake poison is dangerous and can be lethal without immediate help.
"bible": true believes can drink snake poison and remain unharmed.
Who is right here? Science or the bible?
Ow, and if you say the bible... i'm going to dare you to support it.
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In this dispensation, I would say science would prevail.
Unless of course, God would intervene on behalf of the bitten one.
In which case science would have to take a hike.
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Actually, snake VENOM can sometimes be consumed without ill effect, because it is broken down by the stomach acid and needs to enter the bloodstream directly in order to take effect. However, I wouldn't recommend trying it, because not all venoms will work for this, and if you have the smallest cut in your mouth or throat, you are done for. But yeah, you could drink something like rattlesnake venom like a boss and have nothing happen.
However, it has no relationship with religious belief; anyone can do that.
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I've already read the books you want burned.
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Because scientists sometimes recommend actions which may may end up cutting into corporate profits... and nobody want to listen to that...
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Freodin
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Come on, Val, you know how our literalist AV uses his words. The pharisees were scientists, Pontius Pilatus was a scientist... anyone who does not adhere to his mantra "the Bible says it, that settles it" is a scientist in his view.
So clearly the top-rank-manager who thinks: God gave us control over the earth and God always has the ultimate word and would never let anything really bad happen to the earth... SO DRILL BABY DRILL!!!!!
... this guy obviously is a scientist.
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The plane doesn't satisfy scientific paradigms anymore than the MRI machine. The plane is supposed to perform a function (to fly) and it must be designed in a way that allows it to fly. Just like toothpaste must be designed in a way that cleans teeth, or a computer must be designed in a way that it computes information.
We don't ''conform to science'' anymore than ''science conforms to us''. Science is a methodical system of study, experimentation, observation and collecting a body of knowledge, all in the context of the natural, physical universe. Science is a system comprised of facts, logical theories that align with those facts, and the actual practice of applying those facts for some purpose or another.
We apply our scientific understandings in the creation of the plane for a purpose, which is in this case so that the plane will be able to take off, fly from a to b, and land.
We could of course create a plane completely without paying any heed to natural laws or scientific knowledge and just pray that it works, but what are the chances it would perform the function it is intended to perform?
Fairly slim in my estimation. If you want to build a plane from jello shots and baby hairs and ask God to fly it off the ground for you, feel free. I personally would like to see that, for funsies.
It sounds like you're trying to paint ''science'' as a form of dogma that's twisted and contorted in some way, or that humanity are twisted and contorted in some way by science. No. Science is just a method of understanding the physical and natural, sometimes just for the sake of knowledge itself, other times for some expressed purpose such as building a thin that has a particular function.
Your medicines work because they react with your body in an intended way for an intended purpose. The way they react depends on the medicine, but when you take an aspirin you know that it reacts within a certain chemical framework to create particular effects on your body, because your body is compositionally suited to allow such a reaction and respond to the aspirin in the way that it does.
Are you conforming to science because you've had a headache and decided to take an aspirin whose expressed purpose for being made in whichever lab it was made was to help your headache? It's no more ''conforming to science'' than eating food because you're hungry and would like some sustenance.
I really don't get what line of logic you've gone down to say some of the things you're saying.
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