My Canoe Challenge

[Kylie]

Post 3 please.

That is not your answer. Rather, it is you restating 3sigma's answer.

 

[Kylie]

So now we have a 1-day old canoe, made from a 1000-year-old mature log.

So, in essence, we have a canoe that is mature, but without a history.

Would you say this is correct?

No, it is not correct, as there is a history.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

So now we have a 1-day old canoe, made from a 1000-year-old mature log.

So, in essence, we have a canoe that is mature, but without a history.

Would you say this is correct?

Please define "mature" in this context. I bet you can't give a definition which supports your silly semantic game.

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you trying to suggest that God created ex materia?

I'm trying to show maturity without history, which is my definition of "embedded age."

We have a "mature" canoe, but it doesn't have a history.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, it is not correct, as there is a history.

Then why does its odometer read: ØØØØ.ØØ?

 

[AV1611VET]

Please define "mature" in this context.

Able to do what is expected of it.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Able to do what is expected of it.

In that case, what is the relevance of the 1000yr old tree? We all know you're trying to shoehorn 1000yrs into the scenario, but with a definition of "able to do what is expected of it" the 1000yrs is completely irrelevant.

 

[AV1611VET]

In that case, what is the relevance of the 1000yr old tree? We all know you're trying to shoehorn 1000yrs into the scenario, but with a definition of "able to do what is expected of it" the 1000yrs is completely irrelevant.

I'd like to know how old you think the canoe is.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I'd like to know how old you think the canoe is.

The canoe is 1 day old.

How old do you think the wood it is made from is? And why do you think the history of that wood is not part of the history of the canoe?

 

[AV1611VET]

The canoe is 1 day old.

I agree.

How old do you think the wood it is made from is?

1,000 years old; as stipulated in the OP.

And why do you think the history of that wood is not part of the history of the canoe?

Because the canoe doesn't have a history as yet.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I agree.1,000 years old; as stipulated in the OP.Because the canoe doesn't have a history as yet.

And yet you seem to think that the 1000 yrs of the tree is pertinent. Why?

 

[Kylie]

Then why does its odometer read: ØØØØ.ØØ?

If you are talking about the CANOE itself, then it has no maturity, but then again, it has no history either.

If you are talking the history of the MATERIALS from which it was built, then yes, the materials have maturity, but they have history as well.

You can't have it both ways. If you want to include the period of time that it spent as a log when it comes to measuring how mature it is, then it's only fair to include that same period when measuring its history as well.

To pick and choose what you measure in order to advance a particular agenda like that is intellectually dishonest, isn't it, AV?

 

[Kylie]

Because the canoe doesn't have a history as yet.

Yes it does. It has the history of spending 1000 years inside a log.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you are talking about the CANOE itself, then it has no maturity, but then again, it has no history either.

I disagree.

QV please:

Please define "mature" in this context. I bet you can't give a definition which supports your silly semantic game.

Able to do what is expected of it.

 

[lesliedellow]

I'm trying to show maturity without history, which is my definition of "embedded age."

We have a "mature" canoe, but it doesn't have a history.

The canoe can be “mature without history” only because it was created ex materia.

 

[AV1611VET]

The canoe can be “mature without history” only because it was created ex materia.

Just like Adam & Eve were created ex materia.

 

[Kylie]

I disagree.

QV please:

That's a very unusual definition of "mature". Do you have anything to show that this is the best definition?

 

[AV1611VET]

That's a very unusual definition of "mature".

It'll suffice.

 

[lesliedellow]

Just like Adam & Eve were created ex materia.

And the dust of the ground from which they were made?

 

[AV1611VET]

And the dust of the ground from which they were made?

Ex materia.