My Big Bang Challenge

[Mr Laurier]

So it's one disaster after another?

Only if you are the most self depressing pessimist.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Isn't it the Singularity that destroyed the Primordial Atom's state of existence?

Had the Singularity not occurred, we wouldn't be on our way to heat death.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Isn't it the Singularity that destroyed the Primordial Atom's state of existence?

Had the Singularity not occurred, we wouldn't be on our way to heat death.

I can't really say I ever thought of it quite that way, haha!

 

[Bradskii]

Whether I agree with that aside (which I don't), even if it did go back to where it came from, it was by way of a universal natural disaster ... right?

A disaster is when things turn out really, really badly. If you think that they have, is there someone we can hold to account?

 

[Mark Quayle]

Not sure, but if you take the perspective of time as another dimension of the Universe it's ultimately already complete, beginning to end, all at once and time is just a perspective.

Now there, I think, you've got something! All these believers I try to convince that from God's POV, time is a tool, not a principle of existence. When he created his dwelling place, it was a completed project as soon as he spoke it into existence, no matter how long we think it took.

 

[public hermit]

And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

It is a beautiful mess. I'm just here for the ride, as if I had a choice. Lol

 

[Bradskii]

It is a beautiful mess. I'm just here for the ride, as if I had a choice. Lol

We're not even a blip on the radar of existence. There'll be a time when someone will have the last thought of you that anyone will have. And then even the memory of you will cease to exist. We got lucky, so let's make the most of it, Public!

 

[AV1611VET]

This has nothing to do with the "big bang" model of the universe.

But was the Big Bang itself a natural catastrophe?

How can you say it wasn't, if the Primordial Atom doesn't exist anymore?

At least, not in its original state?

Again, if the eggs in your refrigerator suddenly expanded and broke apart, wouldn't you have a mess?

Ylem!

 

[AV1611VET]

We're not even a blip on the radar of existence. There'll be a time when someone will have the last thought of you that anyone will have. And then even the memory of you will cease to exist. We got lucky, so let's make the most of it, Public!

Sounds like a catastrophe is on the way.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Okay, that makes sense. For some reason I thought the laws of physics applied post-Big Bang but not to an initial singularity, but I'm not even sure if anyone talks about an initial singularity anymore.

That's right, not only is a singularity no longer held to be physically real/possible, but evidence such as the cosmic background radiation suggests the universe had a finite minimum scale. See 'There was no big bang sngularity'.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Sounds just a bit like confirmation bias. Just saying...

Only if you consider its consistency with laws derived from current observations to be confirmation bias... So, no.

 

[sjastro]

Okay, that makes sense. For some reason I thought the laws of physics applied post-Big Bang but not to an initial singularity, but I'm not even sure if anyone talks about an initial singularity anymore.

Cosmologists no longer think of the "Big Bang" as a creation event but an event in the evolution of the universe occurring around 10⁻³² s after the supposed Big Bang singularity which is no longer considered possible due to quantum physics.
The Big Bang Wasn't The Beginning, After All

 

[public hermit]

That's right, not only is a singularity no longer held to be physically real/possible, but evidence such as the cosmic background radiation suggests the universe had a finite minimum scale. See 'There was no big bang sngularity'.

See, CF is good for something.

 

[Bradskii]

Sounds like a catastrophe is on the way.

Well, I won't be going gentle into that good night. And we've had some Shelley, so why not some Dylan Thomas (who lived a few minutes from where I grew up), read by Michael Sheen who has the exact South Wales accent needed. After a few beers and my Aussie twang reverts to that from the Land of My Fathers, this is what I sound like:

 

[public hermit]

We're not even a blip on the radar of existence. There'll be a time when someone will have the last thought of you that anyone will have. And then even the memory of you will cease to exist. We got lucky, so let's make the most of it, Public!

I know! My self importance is so...so. I don't even have children, and I bet y'all rapscallions haven't been paying attention to the wonderful whatever I've been doing. If I had feelings, they would be hurt. But, misery loves company, and I'm certain you will be with me in my insignificance. Together, we are nothing.

 

[Mark Quayle]

A disaster is when things turn out really, really badly. If you think that they have, is there someone we can hold to account?

Maybe the OP meant something more along the lines of serendipitous 'catastrophe'.

 

[Bradskii]

Together, we are nothing.

We should get T shirts printed.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, I won't be going gentle into that good night. And we've had some Shelley, so why not some Dylan Thomas (who lived a few minutes from where I grew up), read by Michael Sheen who has the exact South Wales accent needed. After a few beers and my Aussie twang reverts to that from the Land of My Fathers, this is what I sound like:

What say we skip the song and dance and answer the challenge please?

Thanks.

 

[AV1611VET]

Maybe the OP meant something more along the lines of serendipitous 'catastrophe'.

This is why I call these things "challenges".

 

[Bradskii]

What say we skip the song and dance and answer the challenge please?

Thanks.

Dylan Thomas a 'song and dance'? Good grief...

Anyway, I thought I had. Or at least implied it: 'A disaster is when things turn out really, really badly. If you think that they have, is there someone we can hold to account?'

So I don't think it's turned out really, really badly. But that's a personal thing. I'm not in danger, I'm healthy, reasonably well off, my lovely wife of many years is sitting opposite me having breakfast on the deck and the grandkids will be around later. There isn't, metaphorically and literally, a cloud in the sky (even covid seems to be less of a threat). But you have said it has been a disaster.

Do you mean personally? Or is the whole shooting match a disaster as far as you are concerned. If so, who can we hold accountable, I wonder. Any suggestions?