My BC Challenge

[Kylie]

Do you believe that?

If not, mind if I don't either?

And you're doing it again.

You're happy to agree with me when I say that one particular God is ficticious, but when I make the same claim of another God, you disagree with me.

Picking and choosing what science you believe, now you're picking and choosing MY own beliefs as well!

That's all you seem to do, AV, cherry pick everything so you can justify believing whatever you want.

Why do you even bother with the justification?

Yes.

And so did legitimate Bible scholars.

They termed it: diabolical mimicry.

Once again, religious people making up stuff to justify the beliefs they have already decided must be true...

 

[Kylie]

That's the way educatees make it look, isn't it?

For some reason,* the earth had to go around the sun four more times before the year 1 showed up.

* I would guess it was to vindicate Herod, who had all the children from 2 years old and younger put to death.

You seem incapable of reaching the perfectly reasonable conclusion that the Church people long ago who tried to figure this stuff out simply made a mistake.

 

[AV1611VET]

So he got other people to do the actual work, he just slapped his name on the front and took credit?

You don't understand how memos and letters carry the authority of the actual writer's boss, do you?

 

[Tinker Grey]

What do the words "Christ Jesus" describe to you?

A concept that some people hold.

 

[AV1611VET]

A concept that some people hold.

Thank you for an honest answer.

 

[VirOptimus]

I learn just enough, so I can separate the wheat from the chaff.

That's why I'm so ignit, I can't discuss the nuances of genetics -- or any other discipline.

Once I recognize it as chaff, it's history.

Don't get me wrong.

Sometimes I might wade out a little bit further in Satan's Pond, but not too deep.

Besides, it's too crowded out there.

Too many scientists.

Now you know why the book of Revelation describes the Antichrist coming out of the sea.

It's the sea of humanity.

Making a complex world simple and denying physical reality when its against ones simplistic belief is not a sign of someone who is secure in his belief. Its the sign of one who is afraid of the real world, afraid one might be wrong.

Also, you have already lost, science describes physical reality and is therefore accepted wherever it matters. Your worldview and its ilk is a thing of the past.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Ya ... but Paul beat me to it:

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Socrates beat Paul to it. But I'll give Paul credit: he picked the right ideas to steal and repackage for his Roman audience.

 

[AV1611VET]

Socrates beat Paul to it. But I'll give Paul credit: he picked the right ideas to steal and repackage for his Roman audience.

Right.

And Moses stole from Hammurabi, and Jesus stole from Buddha, and ...

 

[HitchSlap]

Right.

And Moses stole from Hammurabi, and Jesus stole from Buddha, and ...

It's almost too much for one soul to bear, av.

 

[quatona]

Oh well ... you tried.

No, I didn´t.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Right.

And Moses stole from Hammurabi, and Jesus stole from Buddha, and ...

Your accusations, not mine.

I'm just pointing out that Paul tried preaching in Greece (who would've obviously been familiar with Socrates), and got laughed out. His sour grapes comes through pretty loud and clear.

Say what you will about Paul, he learns from his mistakes.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm just pointing out that Paul tried preaching in Greece (who would've obviously been familiar with Socrates), and got laughed out.

I'll bet that further reminded him of something that happened to his Saviour.

Matthew 9:24 He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.

And Got laughed out?

Hardly -- he visited Greece more than once, starting churches in Philippi, Corinth, and Thessalonica; and one of his most famous speeches was at Mars Hill.

His sour grapes comes through pretty loud and clear.

Who soured them?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Hardly -- he visited Greece more than once, starting churches in Philippi, Corinth, and Thessalonica; and one of his most famous speeches was at Mars Hill.

If at first you don't succeed...

As I said, Paul learned from his mistakes.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Did the Big Bang occur circa 13,772,000,000 BC?

Totally unknowable due to the accelerating expansion of the universe in which Hubble’s Law which they use to claim distances to galaxies demands that the distance be directly correlated to recessional velocity. Since z values indicate a recessional velocity of fractions of c, when God stretched out the heavens, one must apply time dilation corrections.

Instead they refuse to follow their own science that acceleration causes clocks to slow. The reverse of which means clocks ticked faster the further back in Time one goes, at an exponential rate since accelerations is fractions of c.

So by using the slower rate of clocks today to calculate age, without accounting for the fact that clocks speed up further back in time, as well as decay rates, it is impossible to calculate any correct age for the universe without knowing our true accelerating rate through space and applying time dilation corrections.

But once those exponential corrections are made, it would I expect show closer to 6,000 years, which is why they refuse to follow their own scientific beliefs of clocks and decay rates slowing under acceleration.

 

[Jimmy D]

But once those exponential corrections are made, it would I expect show closer to 6,000 years, which is why they refuse to follow their own scientific beliefs of clocks and decay rates slowing under acceleration.

Show us the maths professor.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You don't understand how memos and letters carry the authority of the actual writer's boss, do you?

You don't understand that calling the Bible a memo or a letter doesn't make it one.

 

[AV1611VET]

You don't understand that calling the Bible a memo or a letter doesn't make it one.

You're right.

It is the word of God.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You're right.

It is the word of God.

A pretty title, but what does it mean?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Show us the maths professor.

Why, you have already shown you refuse to accept them.

“In 1911, Paul Langevin gave a "striking example" by describing the story of a traveler making a trip at a Lorentz factor of γ = 100 (99.995% the speed of light). The traveler remains in a projectile for one year of his time, and then reverses direction. Upon return, the traveler will find that he has aged two years, while 200 years have passed on Earth.”

But remember, the traveler only travels at a constant speed, not a continuing acceleration.

“In physics, the kinetic energy of an object is the energy that it possesses due to its motion.[1] It is defined as the work needed to accelerate a body of a given mass from rest to its stated velocity. Having gained this energy during its acceleration, the body maintains this kinetic energy unless its speed changes. The same amount of work is done by the body when decelerating from its current speed to a state of rest.”

So unlike the traveler example, the earth is continuing to gain kinetic energy, it is not simply being maintained until reaching its stated velocity. The velocity has not yet been reached, since acceleration is continuing to increase, and is currently by some z values .99 the speed of c.

So assuming your calculations of 4 billion years, just for one that has attained the stated velocity and keeps the same kinetic energy the entire trip, only 20,000,000 years will have passed for the traveler. But the same amount of kinetic energy is not being maintained the entire trip, instead it is continuing to increase. Therefore the calculations must be done exponentially.

This reduces that 20,000,000 years down in the range of 20,000.

But even without the proper exponential corrections, we are down to 20 million years, far too short a time for the processes people claim to have occurred in 4 billion years.

This continued gain in kinetic energy is also why life has reduced in size dramatically, energy equals mass, mass equals gravity. So not only do clocks speed up and decay rates the further back one goes, but mass decreases and gravity also decreases, allowing larger life to flourish in the past that would not be able to stand up to the forces of gravity we see today. So you see, proper application of Relativity not only solves the problem of how dinosaurs could grow so large under today’s gravity (because it wasn’t the same strength as today), but also corrects for incorrect age calculations.

 

[VirOptimus]

Why, you have already shown you refuse to accept them.

“In 1911, Paul Langevin gave a "striking example" by describing the story of a traveler making a trip at a Lorentz factor of γ = 100 (99.995% the speed of light). The traveler remains in a projectile for one year of his time, and then reverses direction. Upon return, the traveler will find that he has aged two years, while 200 years have passed on Earth.”

But remember, the traveler only travels at a constant speed, not a continuing acceleration.

“In physics, the kinetic energy of an object is the energy that it possesses due to its motion.[1] It is defined as the work needed to accelerate a body of a given mass from rest to its stated velocity. Having gained this energy during its acceleration, the body maintains this kinetic energy unless its speed changes. The same amount of work is done by the body when decelerating from its current speed to a state of rest.”

So unlike the traveler example, the earth is continuing to gain kinetic energy, it is not simply being maintained until reaching its stated velocity. The velocity has not yet been reached, since acceleration is continuing to increase, and is currently by some z values .99 the speed of c.

So assuming your calculations of 4 billion years, just for one that has attained the stated velocity and keeps the same kinetic energy the entire trip, only 20,000,000 years will have passed for the traveler. But the same amount of kinetic energy is not being maintained the entire trip, instead it is continuing to increase. Therefore the calculations must be done exponentially.

This reduces that 20,000,000 years down in the range of 20,000.

But even without the proper exponential corrections, we are down to 20 million years, far too short a time for the processes people claim to have occurred in 4 billion years.

This continued gain in kinetic energy is also why life has reduced in size dramatically, energy equals mass, mass equals gravity. So not only do clocks speed up and decay rates the further back one goes, but mass decreases and gravity also decreases, allowing larger life to flourish in the past that would not be able to stand up to the forces of gravity we see today. So you see, proper application of Relativity not only solves the problem of how dinosaurs could grow so large under today’s gravity (because it wasn’t the same strength as today), but also corrects for incorrect age calculations.

Oh boy, you really really dont understand relativity.