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My Ark Challenge

Discussion in 'Physical & Life Sciences' started by AV1611VET, Jun 11, 2018.

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  1. inquiring mind

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    Let me see if I got this straight... God created the Chinese first, then the Egyptians... and then who?
     
  2. Colter

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    LoL! Imagine if the Canaanites and others could have proofread the Israelites new records of their past!
     
  3. Colter

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    No, those are among the older religions and cultures that predate the Jews story.

    Man evolved about 1 million years ago.
     
  4. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    The other way around:

    Genesis 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

    Genesis 10:15 And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth,
    Genesis 10:16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,
    Genesis 10:17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,


    The Egyptians are uncles to the Chinese.

    It's like the Chinese would come from your brother's son.
     
  5. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    What do you think the NIV is?
     
  6. inquiring mind

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    Got it!
     
  7. DogmaHunter

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    Right, figured it out right after posting. My bad.

    Still though, I'ld like to point out that actual objective scientific evidence, trumps "narratives" any day of the week.

    You could come up with 20.000 manuscripts describing such an epic global flood and still it wouldn't have any credibility because the scientific evidence just isn't there, and in fact proves the opposite.
     
  8. Colter

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    "Their estimate that the various forms of life on the planet included 7.8m species of animal, 298,000 species of plant and 611,000 species of mushrooms, mould and other fungi along with 36,400 species of protozoa, single-celled organisms, and 27,500 species of algae or chromists."


    That gives us some idea of how many living things were preserved on the ark. It probably had some drawers and stuff and a K&W Cafeteria.
     
  9. AV1611VET

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    Only if you interpret "kinds" as "species."

    If you interpret "kinds" as "genera," what does that cut the number down to?

    (I'm sure if you can tell me how many species, you can tell me how many genera, can you not?)
    There are no K&W cafeterias in New Jersey, where the Ark was built, that I'm aware of.

    And if the Ark was … as I suspect … a TARDIS booth, where its inside is bigger than its outside,* then it could hold a trillion animals and still have room for ten more.

    But I'm curious if you can answer my question:

    Since you can estimate how many species should have gone on the Ark, can you estimate how many genera should have gone?

    * for example, see Revelation 6:9
     
  10. Colter

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    There are 5,000,000,000 extinct species.

    Currently there are 5937 recognized species of mammals.

    List of mammal genera - Wikipedia
     
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  11. Colter

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    Extinction - Wikipedia

    More than 99 percent of all species, amounting to over five billion species,[1] that ever lived on Earth are estimated to be extinct.[2][3][4] Estimates on the number of Earth's current species range from 10 million to 14 million,[5] of which about 1.2 million have been documented and over 86 percent have not yet been described.[6] More recently, in May 2016, scientists reported that 1 trillion species are estimated to be on Earth currently with only one-thousandth of one percent described.[7]
     
  12. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Did you understand my question?

    For instance, if you define "kind" as "species," and a Canis latrans (coyote) and Canis lupus (gray wolf) had to board.

    But if "kind" means "genus," then only a Canis latrans had to board.
     
  13. Colter

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    Yes, I understand your question, you are trying to fit all the living things back into the ark.

    They both had to board.

    The evolution of the wolf occurred over a geologic time scale of 800,000 years, transforming the first Middle Pleistocene wolf specimen that is recognized as being morphologically similar to Canis lupus into today's dog, dingo, and gray wolf. Ecological factors including habitat type, climate, prey specialization and predatory competition will greatly influence the wolf's genetic population structure and cranio-dental plasticity.[24][25] Wolves went through a population bottleneck 20,000 years before present (YBP), which indicates that many wolf populations had gone extinct at a time that coincided with the Last Glacial Maximum and the expansion of modern humans worldwide with their technology for capturing large game.[26][27] The domestic dog is the most widely abundant large carnivore, and a descendant of one of those now-extinct wolf populations.
     
  14. AV1611VET

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    No, they didn't.

    Only the common ancestor had to board.

    Just coyote had to board, since from the coyote come wolves, domestic dogs, and dingoes.

    Can't you understand the difference between species and genus?
     
  15. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Colter, maybe this will help you understand:

    In this forum, there are subforums.

    Physical & Life Sciences is the forum we're currently in.

    Let Physical & Life Sciences represent a genus.

    Then, within Physical & Life Sciences, we have umpteen individual threads.

    Let those threads represent species.

    With that in mind, only Physical & Life Sciences had to board the Ark.

    Not each individual thread.
     
  16. HitchSlap

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    Ha. This is exactly the point on which AronRa destroyed Hovind.
     
  17. AV1611VET

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    He won't destroy me with it.
     
  18. Colter

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    The Coyote is native to Noth America, the Wolf branched off looooong before the Hebrews fictional flood. And like so many other living things, 600 year old Noah would have had to go over to North America to get a pair of each Maybe Noah was a dog whisperer?
     
  19. AV1611VET

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    Colter, you said there were, on the Ark:

    • 7,800,000 species of animal
    • 298,000 species of plant
    • 611,000 species of mushrooms, mold, and other fungi
    • 36,400 species of protozoa, single-celled organisms
    • 27,500 species of algae or chromists
    I am asking you if you're willing to pare this down to a much smaller number by considering that genera boarded the Ark, not species.

    Are you willing to do that? or are you willing to try to make the Ark look overloaded?

    Note: Your figures don't matter to me, since my interpretation of what the Ark was can easily handle that many. But your unwillingness to admit your interpretation is wrong is telling. I don't think even HitchSlap believes that many animals were on the Ark. The Bible says "kinds" entered the Ark, not "species."
     
  20. Colter

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    Your lobotomized friends at AIG say the flood was in 2348 BC.....which is long after the Canaanite period. ^_^
     
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