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Yes -- and I also agree that you would be wrong thinking that.
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Yes -- and I also agree that you would be wrong thinking that.Let me ask you: Are you in agreement when we say that since there would be no evidence to show that this apple was created out of nothing, there would be no reasonable reason to believe said claim?
Yes -- and I also agree that you would be wrong thinking that.
Yes -- and I also agree that you would be wrong thinking that.
These guys like to think like scientists, so I'm asking them a very basic scientific question so they can see just how myopic science really is.
Yup.That's correct in the context of your scenario.
Who said he has to?So, why should my friend believe me when I tell him that you created this apple?
That's not my call -- I'm only interested in what you would present to him as evidence.Wouldn't the logical and most reasonable response to withhold judgment until some evidence is presented?
Why are you guys looking for fault in this challenge?Thirdly, if their is no evidence that verifies the creation of said apple, one cannot be found at fault for not believing it was created ex nihilo.
What say we leave the earth and the Scriptures out of this thread, please?AVET, I agree that science has its limitations. However, there are two things you do not seem to appreciate about limitations:
1. The origin of the earth and the origin of the human species are not outside the limits of science.
2. Your interpretation of scripture has its limitations as well.
What say we leave the earth and the Scriptures out of this thread, please?
What say we leave the earth and the Scriptures out of this thread, please?
Seeing as how nothing in reality has any place in this thread, what say we leave this thread out of other threads, eh AV?
Yup.
Who said he has to?
That's not my call -- I'm only interested in what you would present to him as evidence.
Whether he believes you or not is not the point of this thread.
So you've judged your friend w/o even trying?Then, without evidence to present to my friend, I would say he's right in not believing me.
So you've judged your friend w/o even trying?
You're just going to shrug your shoulders and say, "Meh, he's not going to believe me anyway; so why try?"
What do you care, AV? In another five minutes, you're going to demand that we keep friends out of this thread.
So you've judged your friend w/o even trying?
You're just going to shrug your shoulders and say, "Meh, he's not going to believe me anyway; so why try?"
You're skipping the OP completely.I never said any of that.
If my friend doesn't believe me that you created an apple out of nothing, without evidence, I would think he right in not believing.
And what if the apple was distinguishable?It the apple created ex nihilo is indistinguishable from apples that are grown naturally, then there would be no evidence of it's special creation whatsoever.
And what if the apple was distinguishable?
What if it had a GROWN IN JAPAN sticker on it, was blue, had a bruise on it, a worm in it, and squirted lemon juice?
You sound like you're speaking for your friend -- you already know it's ex nihilo.I'm not certain a blue, lemon-juice filled apple could properly be called an apple, but the vile breed known as Granny Smith still counts, so I guess such a thing could pass too...
An apple that was wholly unnatural and unlike any other might serve to convince some that it was produced in an unnatural way, but there is nothing about the unnaturapple itself that would exclusively point to creation ex nihilo.
If the apple could instead be tested and shown to be only minutes old, rather than the several months it would take a natural apple to grow and ripen, that would be far more likely to convince someone that it had been created unnaturally.
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