My Alcohol Challenge

[AV1611VET]

No

Oh, I forgot!

Genesis 24:64 And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she lighted off the camel.

You might have something there.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Matthew 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Certainly sounds like Jesus has no beef with alcohol...

 

[Queller]

Correct.

QV please:


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You do realize that this means that all "grape juice" in the ANE was fermented, right. Fermented grape juice is also called what, again? Oh that's right, it's called alcoholic wine.

 

[AV1611VET]

Matthew 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Certainly sounds like Jesus has no beef with alcohol...

Or pot, or meth, or strychnine either ... right?

 

[AV1611VET]

You do realize that this means that all "grape juice" in the ANE was fermented, right. Fermented grape juice is also called what, again? Oh that's right, it's called alcoholic wine.

So its wrong to sell grape juice to someone under 21?

 

[Queller]

It doesn't matter.

One drop of alcoholic wine present would be causing the drinker to sin.

Not according to the King James Bible.

And Jesus wouldn't do that.

Not according to the King James Bible.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Or pot, or meth, or strychnine either ... right?

Right! None of those things endanger your soul, so they're not sinful...

 

[Queller]

Is smoking marijuana a sin?

No.

It can kill you, you know.

2 Kings 4:40b O thou man of God, there is death in the pot.

That is the most mendacious use of quote-mining I have ever seen, and that's saying a lot.

 

[AV1611VET]

Right! None of those things endanger your soul, so they're not sinful...

1 Corinthians 6:18b Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

 

[AV1611VET]

That is the most mendacious use of quote-mining I have ever seen, and that's saying a lot.

Thank yew.

 

[Queller]

So its wrong to sell grape juice to someone under 21?

Nope. Anyone under 21 years old with the money can go into any store that sells grape juice and buy all he wants. Anyone over 21 years old can give anyone under 21 years old all the grape juice they want.

Wine, seeing how it is not grape juice, is a very different story.

 

[TLK Valentine]

1 Corinthians 6:18b Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

Exactly! Sin is against the soul -- "without the body."


Pity Paul was distracted by his own anti-sex hangups.... "sex=bad," and all that.

In any event, are you asking me to accept Paul's word over Jesus'?

Sorry, not buying what you're peddling.

 

[Queller]

1 Corinthians 6:18b Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

I thought we were talking about drinking not adultery.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nope. Anyone under 21 years old with the money can go into any store that sells grape juice and buy all he wants.

Then I'm not interested in how "fermented" grape juice is.

 

[Queller]

Thank yew.

You're proud of it? Strange thing for a Christian to be proud of.

 

[Queller]

Then I'm not interested in how "fermented" grape juice is.

Then why did you post this?

Non-alcoholic grape juice was not available until 1869 when it was invented by Dr. Thomas Welch. (It's called Welch's Grape Juice for a reason.) Welch was a teetotaller who objected to taking communion with wine and who wanted a non-alcoholic alternative. So after experimentation he succeeded in developing what he called "unfermented wine." Even then it was called wine, not grape juice, that name coming into use when his son took over marketing in 1875.

Fermented grape juice is alcoholic wine.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sorry, not buying what you're peddling.

You couldn't afford it anyway.

Isaiah 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

Salvation is free to us, but cost Jesus dearly.

 

[AV1611VET]

I thought we were talking about drinking not adultery.

Drinking is a sin.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then why did you post this?

Non-alcoholic grape juice was not available until 1869 when it was invented by Dr. Thomas Welch. (It's called Welch's Grape Juice for a reason.) Welch was a teetotaller who objected to taking communion with wine and who wanted a non-alcoholic alternative. So after experimentation he succeeded in developing what he called "unfermented wine." Even then it was called wine, not grape juice, that name coming into use when his son took over marketing in 1875.

It was posted to show that, until 1875, wine could be either fermented (wine) or unfermented (grape juice).

Fermented grape juice is alcoholic wine.

Yup.

 

[pgp_protector]

That is the most mendacious use of quote-mining I have ever seen, and that's saying a lot.

Thank yew.

So Arab phoning is Ok now?