My Alcohol Challenge

[AV1611VET]

Because you need this to be true?

He did it LONG before I came along.

So it's true, whether I need it to be or not.

 

[AV1611VET]

So AV, if you can claim "wine" in the Bible means "non-alcoholic grape juice",

Link please?

I'll venture to say that even you guys don't think "wine" in the bible means "alcoholic wine" across the board.

 

[HitchSlap]

He did it LONG before I came along.

So it's true, whether I need it to be or not.

If "He" did anything at all, he turned it into alcoholic wine. You know, because, that's what wine is.

I love it when fundies have to redefine words to fit their preferences.

 

[RickG]

Link please?

I'll venture to say that even you guys don't think "wine" in the bible means "alcoholic wine" across the board.

Wine is wine, not grape just regardless of what you want to believe. There is no place in the bible where wine is specified as non alcoholic.

 

[AV1611VET]

If "He" did anything at all, he turned it into alcoholic wine. You know, because, that's what wine is.

I love it when fundies have to redefine words to fit their preferences.

Then show me "grape juice" in the KJV.

Can't do it?

Then does every single instance of "wine" in the KJV refer to alcoholic wine?

 

[AV1611VET]

Wine is wine, not grape just regardless of what you want to believe. There is no place in the bible where wine is specified as non alcoholic.

There are 212 verses in the Bible that use the word "wine" at least once.

Are you telling me it's alcoholic wine across the board?

 

[HitchSlap]

Then show me "grape juice" in the KJV.

Can't do it?

Then does every single instance of "wine" in the KJV refer to alcoholic wine?

Yes, AV, wine is wine is wine. Sorry buddy, your homey drank the sauce.

 

[HitchSlap]

There are 212 verses in the Bible that use the word "wine" at least once.

Are you telling me it's alcoholic wine across the board?

Unless they had Frigidaire's to keep the grape juice cold, it's wine, across the board. It's only a big deal in your head.

 

[TLK Valentine]

There are 212 verses in the Bible that use the word "wine" at least once.

Are you telling me it's alcoholic wine across the board?

Yes. Find an exception and we'll talk.

Even Jesus miraculously transformed water into (good 'ol alcoholic) wine, not grape juice -- anyone who reads John 2 1:11 with even a modicum of knowledge of Jewish custom can see this.

 

[AV1611VET]

Unless they had Frigidaire's to keep the grape juice cold, it's wine, across the board. It's only a big deal in your head.

They didn't use snow and ice back then?

 

[AV1611VET]

Find an exception and we'll talk.

I'll pass.

I don't need to find an exception, you do.

I already believe it.

 

[Strathos]

Am I the only one who finds it amusing that a bunch of atheists and agnostics are trying to convince AV that a Biblical miracle happened?

(Yes, I know you all don't really believe it happened, no need to get all pedantic about it)

 

[AV1611VET]

Am I the only one who finds it amusing that a bunch of atheists and agnostics are trying to convince AV that a Biblical miracle happened?

(Yes, I know you all don't really believe it happened, no need to get all pedantic about it)

They have to get off-topic somehow.

Otherwise they would have to admit my point; or else look ... well ... comical arguing root beer shouldn't be referred to as "beer;" even in a riddle.

 

[HitchSlap]

They have to get off-topic somehow.

Otherwise they would have to admit my point; or else look ... well ... comical arguing root beer shouldn't be referred to as "beer;" even in a riddle.

Care to interpret this passage in light of your opinion that wine in the bible is grape juice?

"10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now."

 

[AV1611VET]

Care to interpret this passage in light of your opinion that wine in the bible is grape juice?

"10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now."

Those men were probably already drunk.

To them, the grape juice would taste like fine wine.

Either that, or it was grape juice they had at the first, then wanted more.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I'll pass.

I don't need to find an exception, you do.

I already believe it.

You do believe that every single mention of wine in the Bible refers to the alcoholic kind? Even the miraculous wine created ex aqua in John 2?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Those men were probably already drunk.

Drunk on what, AV?

 

[TLK Valentine]

They have to get off-topic somehow.

Otherwise they would have to admit my point; or else look ... well ... comical arguing root beer shouldn't be referred to as "beer;" even in a riddle.

You had a point?

 

[bhsmte]

Am I the only one who finds it amusing that a bunch of atheists and agnostics are trying to convince AV that a Biblical miracle happened?

(Yes, I know you all don't really believe it happened, no need to get all pedantic about it)

You know, this whole conversation is really quite amazing, if you really think about it.

The marvels of the human mind!

 

[HitchSlap]

Those men were probably already drunk.

To them, the grape juice would taste like fine wine.

Either that, or it was grape juice they had at the first, then wanted more.

They were already drunk on grape juice? So Jesus turned water into more grape juice, which was apparently better than the first round of grape juice?