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My Accuracy Challenge

Which is the more accurate source of information?

  • The Bible

  • The real world


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1. What would be the binomial of the old hare?
2. What is the binomial of the new hare?

Who knows, there's no evidence to go on and it'd have to be quite extreme to see such a change in so short a time.

If you want me to believe it would be considered a different species back then, please give me the name of this species.

Since this conversation is damn silly and the "new" one is L. europaeus, lets call this theoretical hare L. Bibliceus

I can think of a reason.

And as dad so-aptly puts it:

That reason is beyond your paygrade; so you probably won't understand.

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( That's one more Lamb )
 
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So when we find that Pluto doesn't meet the description of a true planet, whine, whine, whine.
QV please:
Only four percent of the IAU voted on the controversial demotion of Pluto, and most are not planetary scientists. The vote was conducted in violation of the IAU's own bylaws on the last day of a two-week conference when most attendees already had left. No absentee voting was allowed. Supporters of the demotion resolution violated the IAU's own bylaws by putting this resolution on the General Assembly floor without first vetting it by the proper committee as IAU rules require. Also, many planetary scientists do not belong to the IAU and therefore had no say in this matter. When professional astronomers objecting to the demotion asked for a reopening of the planet debate at the 2009 IAU General Assembly, the IAU leadership adamantly refused. Why would they refuse to reopen a debate unless they were insecure about their stand? Meanwhile, this issue continues to be debated in other venues, such as the 2008 Great Planet Debate, held at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab in August 2008 (which I personally attended), the American Geophysical Union, and the European Geophysical Union.


The IAU decision was immediately opposed in a formal petition by hundreds of professional astronomers led by Dr. Alan Stern, Principal Investigator of NASA’s New Horizons mission to Pluto. One reason the IAU definition makes no sense is it says dwarf planets are not planets at all! That is like saying a grizzly bear is not a bear, and it is inconsistent with the use of the term “dwarf” in astronomy, where dwarf stars are still stars, and dwarf galaxies are still galaxies. Also, the IAU definition classifies objects solely by where they are while ignoring what they are. If Earth were in Pluto’s orbit, according to the IAU definition, it would not be a planet either. A definition that takes the same object and makes it a planet in one location and not a planet in another is essentially useless.


Pluto is a planet because it is spherical, meaning it is large enough to be pulled into a round shape by its own gravity--a state known as hydrostatic equilibrium and characteristic of planets, not of shapeless asteroids held together by chemical bonds. These reasons are why many astronomers, lay people, and educators are either ignoring the demotion entirely or working to get it overturned. You can find out more by Googling "Laurel's Pluto Blog."
A decision should not be blindly accepted as some sort of gospel truth because a small number of people decreed it so. The IAU can decree the sky is green, but that doesn't make it any less blue.

One argument often used in favor of demoting Pluto is the fact that another planet was discovered beyond Pluto and that with many more possible small planets in the Kuiper Belt, we could end up with "too many planets" in our solar system. Well, there is no such thing as too many planets. At one point, we thought Jupiter had four moons. Now we know it has 63, and more may be found. Should we limit the number of moons because otherwise, there will be too many to memorize? Should we limit the number of elements in the Periodic Table because kids won't be able to memorize that many? The fact is, memorization is not a very useful learning tool. At one point, we knew little more about the planets than their names and order from the Sun. That is not true today. It is more important that kids understand what distinguishes the different types of planets.

If we use the alternate, broader term that a planet is any non-self-luminous spheroidal body orbiting a star--which many planetary scientists prefer over the IAU definition--we can then use subcategories to distinguish the types of planets. While we previously recognized two subcategories, the terrestrials and the gas giants or jovians, the new discoveries show us there is a third class-the dwarf planets. These are planets because they are large enough to be rounded by their own gravity--a state known as hydrostatic equilibrium--but of the dwarf subcategory because they are not large enough to gravitationally dominate their orbits. In fact, Dr. Alan Stern, who first coined the term "dwarf planet," never intended for dwarf planets to not be considered planets at all. If this one area is amended so the IAU resolution establishes dwarf planets as a subclass of planets, much of the controversy would evaporate.
Wikipedia said:
Reception to the IAU decision was mixed. Although many accepted the reclassification, some sought to overturn the decision with online petitions urging the IAU to consider reinstatement. A resolution introduced by some members of the California State Assembly light-heartedly denounced the IAU for "scientific heresy", among other crimes. The U.S. state of New Mexico's House of Representatives passed a resolution in honor of Tombaugh, a longtime resident of that state, which declared that Pluto will always be considered a planet while in New Mexican skies and that March 13, 2007, was Pluto Planet Day. The Illinois State Senate passed a similar resolution in 2009, on the basis that Clyde Tombaugh, the discoverer of Pluto, was born in Illinois. The resolution asserted that Pluto was "unfairly downgraded to a 'dwarf' planet" by the IAU.
Some members of the public have also rejected the change, citing the disagreement within the scientific community on the issue, or for sentimental reasons, maintaining that they have always known Pluto as a planet and will continue to do so regardless of the IAU decision.
In 2006 in its 17th annual words of the year vote, the American Dialect Society voted plutoed as the word of the year. To "pluto" is to "demote or devalue someone or something".

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So now are Laurele, some members of the California State Assembly, New Mexico's House of Representatives, the Illinois State Senate, the American Dialect Society, and I all whining over this 'scientific heresy'?
 
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AV, why are you trolling with this old nonsense? Do you want another subject that you are now allowed to bring up on your own?

Maybe we need to set up a poll. What subject will AV use next to derail a thread?
 
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QV please:





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So now are Laurele, some members of the California State Assembly, New Mexico's House of Representatives, the Illinois State Senate, the American Dialect Society, and I all whining over this 'scientific heresy'?

Cool story :cool:

Now lets get back to L. Bibliceus, the mythical Hare that chewed its own cud a few thousand years ago.
 
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Cool story :cool:

Now lets get back to L. Bibliceus, the mythical Hare that chewed its own cud a few thousand years ago.
Sure.

Were you there?

(I like your classification, L. Bibliceus, by the way.)
 
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Shades of Ken Ham. How about the bible, were you there?
No, but I know Someone Who was.

And He said ... in writing ... hares chew the cud.
 
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No, but I know Someone Who was.

And He said ... in writing ... hares chew the cud.

No one who was alive at the time of the writing of the Bible is alive today. The Bible was written by humans so what you claim is obviously false.

Are you making the mistake of calling the Bible the word of God again? Do we need to go over why that is a heretical idea?
 
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No one who was alive at the time of the writing of the Bible is alive today. The Bible was written by humans so what you claim is obviously false.

Are you making the mistake of calling the Bible the word of God again? Do we need to go over why that is a heretical idea?

I think this is where the bible is the word of God derived from:

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

To me that is a bit different from "the word of God". But I'm sure AV will put in his 2 argentum.
 
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I think this is where the bible is the word of God derived from:

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

To me that is a bit different from "the word of God". But I'm sure AV will put in his 2 argentum.


Yep, that is my interpretation of that verse too. In fact they don't tend to bring that verse up with me because they know they will be corrected. Genesis is a series of morality stories. Just because they are mythical does not mean that they are without value. In other words they are still "profitable for doctrine". To claim that the Bible is the infallible word of God AV and others need something stronger than a verse that can clearly be interpreted in a more sane and sensible way.
 
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But I'm sure AV will put in his 2 argentum.
You mean this?

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

I have to ask:

It starts out, "For this cause also thank we God without ceasing,"

When did you stop?
 
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Yep, that is my interpretation of that verse too. In fact they don't tend to bring that verse up with me because they know they will be corrected. Genesis is a series of morality stories. Just because they are mythical does not mean that they are without value. In other words they are still "profitable for doctrine". To claim that the Bible is the infallible word of God AV and others need something stronger than a verse that can clearly be interpreted in a more sane and sensible way.

Not only is it claiming the bible says it is, it quote mining the bible to say it is.
 
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You mean this?

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

I have to ask:

It starts out, "For this cause also thank we God without ceasing,"

When did you stop?

Interesting how literalist have to interpret things to make them literal.
 
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Not only is it claiming the bible says it is, it quote mining the bible to say it is.

And as I have said before, fundamentalists have no shame when they quote mine their own Bible. According to the Bible that is blasphemy. How can we expect them to not quote mine people that they see as the enemy.

The quote mining of the Bible became obvious to me when I first started to investigate the so called hundreds of predictions of Jesus coming in the Bible. Now granted there ARE prophecies of a messiah. There are not hundreds of them. Most are quotes out of context that can match part of Jesus' life. In other words, quote mines.
 
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