Mutation gives mouse poison resistance

[biggles53]

Again we see the intellectual dishonesty of the creationist in action.......rather than confront the evidence, AS A WHOLE, supporting hominid evolution, he uses the common tactic of selectively focusing on just ONE aspect that he thinks might produce some doubt....

It's a little like those who used to argue in vain that cigarette smoking didn't have a relationship with lung cancer, by making statements like "Well, I know this one guy who smoked all his life and never got cancer...!", whilst ignoring conveniently the truckloads of evidence that DID show such a link......

ED, you need to be able to overturn, not only the fossil evidence, but ALL of the other evidence streams, as indicated in that article, if you're going to be taken seriously with your claims about human evolution...

Good luck with that....!

 

[EternalDragon]

Again we see the intellectual dishonesty of the creationist in action.......rather than confront the evidence, AS A WHOLE, supporting hominid evolution, he uses the common tactic of selectively focusing on just ONE aspect that he thinks might produce some doubt....

It's a little like those who used to argue in vain that cigarette smoking didn't have a relationship with lung cancer, by making statements like "Well, I know this one guy who smoked all his life and never got cancer...!", whilst ignoring conveniently the truckloads of evidence that DID show such a link......

ED, you need to be able to overturn, not only the fossil evidence, but ALL of the other evidence streams, as indicated in that article, if you're going to be taken seriously with your claims about human evolution...

Good luck with that....!

I see very little evidence (really none) and lots of man made conclusions.

What claims am I making about human evolution? Humans have never evolved. We have always been humans.

 

[lasthero]

I see very little evidence (really none)

The page is full of evidence. Perhaps none you personally accept, but that doesn't negate the existence of said evidence.

lots of man made conclusions.

Of course they're man-made conclusions. Every conclusion you've ever had about anything was 'man-made'.

 

[biggles53]

I see very little evidence (really none) and lots of man made conclusions.

"None so blind........................"

What claims am I making about human evolution? Humans have never evolved. We have always been humans.

Errrr......ummm.............that's a claim right there.....

 

[EternalDragon]

The page is full of evidence. Perhaps none you personally accept, but that doesn't negate the existence of said evidence.



Of course they're man-made conclusions. Every conclusion you've ever had about anything was 'man-made'.

Not if God spoke it.

 

[lasthero]

Not if God spoke it.

You determining that God is speaking would be a conclusion. Made by you. A man.

 

[USincognito]

So to be precise, a line of some sort of primate (ape/monkey) produced humans, apes and chimps.

The fact that you're throwing words like ape, monkey, humans and chimps around like this shows you still don't understand even the most fundamental basics of evolution (or biology for that matter).

In other words they branched off or evolved from this one ancestor that was an ape like creature.

Almost. The LCA of humans and chimps was a ape - period. Humans and chimps are both apes - period.

Basically an ape like primate turned into a human. So how is that any less ridiculous?

No "ape like primate" turned into a human. Humans are primates and apes.

I found this little gem on the wiki page.

"There is little fossil evidence for the divergence of the gorilla, chimpanzee and hominin lineages."

The dearth of gorilla and chimpanzee fossils is well understood. They don't live in environments conducive to fossilization or discovering any fossils that do occur. We have plenty of genetic evidence so the lack of fossils isn't an issue.

 

[USincognito]

I see very little evidence (really none) and lots of man made conclusions.

No. You see evidence, but you choose to handwave it away with magical words like presuppositions.

- The morphology of hominan fossils and their location temporally is an observation resulting in evidence. Not a conclusion.
- The percentages of genetic similarity between humans and our fellow apes is an observation resulting in evidence. Not a conclusion.
- The formation of a nested hierarchy by analysis of ERV insertions in hominids is an observation resulting in evidence. Not a conclusion.

What claims am I making about human evolution? Humans have never evolved. We have always been humans.

You might want to pay closer attention to what you write champ. The part in blue answers the question you ask in red.

 

[OllieFranz]

You should've looked a few paragraphs above that.




Or a little bit below that.



Or, heck, you could have just looked one paragraph up.

Like I said, bait and switch -- dishonest and heinous. Thank you E D, for demonstrating it so clearly. And thank you, lasthero for pointing it out.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's a little like those who used to argue in vain that cigarette smoking didn't have a relationship with lung cancer, by making statements like "Well, I know this one guy who smoked all his life and never got cancer...!", whilst ignoring conveniently the truckloads of evidence that DID show such a link......

Perhaps, like my mother, they also trusted the scientists who created nicotine and the big corporations who kept selling cigarettes, and the government, who didn't shut them down?

After all, if cigarette smoking caused lung cancer, wouldn't the government ban cigarette smoking? was her philosophy.

Don't make it look like it's our fault.

I'm sure scientists worked hard to perfect nicotine -- not to mention heroin, marijuana, and LSD.

 

[dad]

You determining that God is speaking would be a conclusion. Made by you. A man.

A conclusion based on evidence that spans great time and was confirmed every step of the way, and tested and observed. There is no possibility that God did not write Scripture. None at all. (through men usually of course)

 

[dad]

Almost. The LCA of humans and chimps was a ape - period. Humans and chimps are both apes - period. ...

Please do not present foolish dreaming as fact. Men did not come from apes by any wild stretch of the overactive evo mind. No evidence exists for that falsehood. Does it now?

 

[dad]

When did God create microraptorines or Archaeopteryx?

I doubt He did. Since the birds and all creatures could evolve fast in that day, it is more likely either a dino evolving (back) to a bird, or a bird evolving to what we call a dino. Ho hum.

As per usual, the modern science folks are groping in the dark as to what the original kinds were. If birds did change and adapt to dinos as needed migrating out from Eden, then we can deduce another interesting fact here. Once the birds were so changed and evolved, that they no longer were birds persay, they were able to fossilize!

We do not really know though, God may have created a little dino kind for some reason. As I say, I doubt it.

 

[bhsmte]

A conclusion based on evidence that spans great time and was confirmed every step of the way, and tested and observed. There is no possibility that God did not write Scripture. None at all. (through men usually of course)

If your assumption is true, which I strongly disagree with, then God needed to go through a few more drafts to make sure he got the story straight, it made sense and was more accurate. Of course, it would have been nice if God threw in some objective verifiable information to show the story is true as well, but what the heck, it is what it is.

If you want to believe it on faith, knock yourself out.

 

[lasthero]

A conclusion based on evidence that spans great time and was confirmed every step of the way, and tested and observed. There is no possibility that God did not write Scripture. None at all. (through men usually of course)

Another conclusion made by a man.

 

[dad]

If your assumption is true, which I strongly disagree with, then God needed to go through a few more drafts to make sure he got the story straight, it made sense and was more accurate.

The Bethlehem story sets the calendar. The rise and fall of nations and events and leaders as predicted are history 101.

We can safely believe that mutations and evolving are all results of creation, and the subsequent changed world we live in.

 

[bhsmte]

The Bethlehem story sets the calendar. The rise and fall of nations and events and leaders as predicted are history 101.

We can safely believe that mutations and evolving are all results of creation, and the subsequent changed world we live in.

You can assume whatever you like, whether you have any objective means to back up that assumption is another issue, much less any way of objectively testing your assumption for accuracy.

 

[dad]

Another conclusion made by a man.

Man was created capable of reaching conclusions with the help of God and His word. This is news? We are not apes after all.

 

[bhsmte]

Man was created capable of reaching conclusions with the help of God and His word. This is news? We are not apes after all.

Man has evolved to reach conclusions based on rigorous testing of assumptions and reviewing objective evidence.

 

[dad]

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You can assume whatever you like, whether you have any objective means to back up that assumption is another issue, much less any way of objectively testing your assumption for accuracy.

Objective in not something that you can take with you thousands of years ago, and is a useless concept and irrelevant here. Unless you have objective evidence that Jesus never lived and none of the prophets?