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RemoveBeforeFlight - an amazing story of faith. God is with you through your hardship and I admire your courage.

Out of interest, do you think the same attitude exists in all Muslim states? I know of one person in my Church here who comes from a different Arab country to the one in which I am living and is worried about telling his family - the Church is helping him with this problem I think. However, the Muslims here seem really nice for the most part....the people I work with.....I can't imagine them wanting to kill anybody and as stated before I can worship freely as long as I don't minister to Muslims.

Can I also ask what it was that was said to you that helped you accept Jesus as your Saviour? I want to know in case the opportunity ever arises in conversation.

Thanks and God Bless you. You're in my prayers.
 
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RemoveBeforeFlight - an amazing story of faith. God is with you through your hardship and I admire your courage.

Out of interest, do you think the same attitude exists in all Muslim states? I know of one person in my Church here who comes from a different Arab country to the one in which I am living and is worried about telling his family - the Church is helping him with this problem I think. However, the Muslims here seem really nice for the most part....the people I work with.....I can't imagine them wanting to kill anybody and as stated before I can worship freely as long as I don't minister to Muslims.

Can I also ask what it was that was said to you that helped you accept Jesus as your Saviour? I want to know in case the opportunity ever arises in conversation.

Thanks and God Bless you. You're in my prayers.

Well, for the most part, I can say "Yes, indeed."
Of course everyone that accepts Islam is not monster, there are people like you say, here in my country too. But the majority of the people do not respect any other belief, even talking about Christianity- when you start a sentence like "Christianity is..." they all start to stare at you all so much surprised and angry, as if they're listening to an alien or something. You can never persuade them that the Bible has not been changed, no way. If you try to make them question their beliefs, youre in danger. If you mention another belief, youre in danger. If you carry a cross around your neck, youre in danger. If you dont answer the muslim greeting "Salaamalaikum", youre not even considered as a man. This is what the majority does.

But as I said above, there ARE people like you said. The worst thing is, Islam does order violence, so they're following their religion rules. I've been many times in mosques, I've listened to the imams.

Yes, of course, I'm used to that question, as its not a common thing for a Turk to convert to Christianity.

In my story, I said that the Islamic doctrines never made a sense to me in my life. How could a God order to humiliate women (come on muslim fellas, it IS humiliating, look around and see), to kill who doesnt share the same belief with you, threaten people, scare people ? A book full of contradictions, a religion full of evil doings. Thats how I came to my seventeen- I was nothing more than a theist, but Muslim was written in my ID.

I was afraid, because in Islam, God never forgives someone abandoning this religion, direct ticket to hell. As it was always taught to us:

" Islam is the last and true religion. Other two religions, Christianity and Judaism have been degenerated by people, only Islam is accepted in God's place. Christians and Jews will go to hell. If anyone converts to one of those, he/she will have eternal damnation. Talking to the Christians is sin, talking to those who chooses to convert to Christianity is sin. Those that convert are traitors, they are spies of the enemies. They're trying to divide this country into parts."

Can you sense the fear that people have here ?
In my nineteen, I said, why would this be true ? What if Islam is a made up religion, what if Christianity is true ? Then I began to collect information about Christianity, and I realized that it perfectly fits to the criterias of a heavenly religion. I found non-violence, tolerance, and pure love to everyone, no matter what. Islam says "An eye for an eye". Christianity says " If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic." I read the Bible, I saw the differences between it and the Quran, and I was amazed. I read a lot about Christian theology, and I was amazed. I've read what Jesus Christ did to save us, and I was amazed again, especially when compared to the lifestyle of Mohammad.

I was really ashamed that I didnt think of this and didnt to this before.
 
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Okay, a bit of a hot topic in the media at the moment - I despair sometimes at all the hate that's evident but try to reassure myself it's just a sign of the times and God is in control.
This is my question and I don't know if I'll have many different responses to this: Can a Muslim be saved through Christ?
I Live in the Middle East and I'm surrounded by people who love and glorify God. They pray 5 times a day and live their life according to what they've been taught is God's will. The Muslims I know personally seem humble and loving and actually very 'normal' - very different to the perspective you get from the media. Muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet and even as the Messiah. They believe he was born of a virgin but they do not believe he is God or the Son of God. The reason for this though is not because of their pride but because they've been taught that to think this way would actually OFFEND the Almighty God as they believe non are equal to him. Nor do they believe that God would have someone die in place of someone else's sins. They simply don't get it that Jesus is the Son of God and therefore part of him - not a different entity and that he died willingly so we might have salvation - it wasn't forced on him.
But surely this is a mistake made out of innocence? In their heart they love God and don't want to offend him. They've been taught the Quran is 'God's word' just as we've been taught that of the bible. Can they help being taught what they have? And do you think they can still be saved? It's also worth noting that if a Muslim does become Christian, they risk their lives in doing so - very scary for the normal, everyday person; especially if they already believe they are serving God the best way they can.
I ask because although it's evident from scripture that no-one can come to the Kingdom of God except through Christ, I am also aware of the fact that before Christ, those who lived a life of devotion to God and died did not go to Hell but went to 'Abraham's bosom'. Do you think it possible that this may still be alternative - a place where those who love God get to see Christ for who he really is when they die and then choose to come to him or not?
These are just questions I'm posing - I really don't know what I think myself and I guess I'm just wanting a bit of discussion.
One thing's for sure - I'm so thankful I've accepted Christ. I just feel sorry for those that haven't - yet. But I am also confident in God's judgement and justice and that he know's the heart.
I guess I might need to be content with 'I don't know' but let me know what you think :)


Very good points indeed. You need to consider the difference between the Muslims prophet and the Christian prophet, Jesus, He died and is ALIVE!. No contest as far as I am concerned... The Muslim's prophets bones can still be seen...

How ever in another direction our so called " Christian " Nations are going the wrong way,our leaders are legalising everything just for the vote, even homosexuality and also it offshoots,adopting innocent children as their own, how evil are our Christian ways becoming ?
The Muslims are correct in that Christians are very wrong in this area, why should they consider Christianity as credible ?

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How ever in another direction our so called " Christian " Nations are going the wrong way,our leaders are legalising everything just for the vote, even homosexuality and also it offshoots,adopting innocent children as their own, how evil are our Christian ways becoming ?
The Muslims are correct in that Christians are very wrong in this area, why should they consider Christianity as credible ?

This is a good point and a huge barrier for many to even listen to what Christianity is about let alone give it serious consideration. To most, 'Christian' = 'western', i.e. immoral, i.e. what is portrayed as normal on the tv or in the movies.
Of course we also have the problem that the majority of political leaders aren't true believers, hence the moral decline for the sake of popularity and votes. But the countries are still considered to be 'Christian', which they are not.
Cue opportunity for real believers to live among muslims in a godly way and 'walk the walk', earning the right to share the reason we have for the hope that is in us and enabling them to hear the message of salvation through Christ alone which they (like everyone else) need to hear.
 
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Okay, a bit of a hot topic in the media at the moment - I despair sometimes at all the hate that's evident but try to reassure myself it's just a sign of the times and God is in control.
This is my question and I don't know if I'll have many different responses to this: Can a Muslim be saved through Christ?
I Live in the Middle East and I'm surrounded by people who love and glorify God. They pray 5 times a day and live their life according to what they've been taught is God's will. The Muslims I know personally seem humble and loving and actually very 'normal' - very different to the perspective you get from the media. Muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet and even as the Messiah. They believe he was born of a virgin but they do not believe he is God or the Son of God. The reason for this though is not because of their pride but because they've been taught that to think this way would actually OFFEND the Almighty God as they believe non are equal to him. Nor do they believe that God would have someone die in place of someone else's sins. They simply don't get it that Jesus is the Son of God and therefore part of him - not a different entity and that he died willingly so we might have salvation - it wasn't forced on him.
But surely this is a mistake made out of innocence? In their heart they love God and don't want to offend him. They've been taught the Quran is 'God's word' just as we've been taught that of the bible. Can they help being taught what they have? And do you think they can still be saved? It's also worth noting that if a Muslim does become Christian, they risk their lives in doing so - very scary for the normal, everyday person; especially if they already believe they are serving God the best way they can.
I ask because although it's evident from scripture that no-one can come to the Kingdom of God except through Christ, I am also aware of the fact that before Christ, those who lived a life of devotion to God and died did not go to Hell but went to 'Abraham's bosom'. Do you think it possible that this may still be alternative - a place where those who love God get to see Christ for who he really is when they die and then choose to come to him or not?
These are just questions I'm posing - I really don't know what I think myself and I guess I'm just wanting a bit of discussion.
One thing's for sure - I'm so thankful I've accepted Christ. I just feel sorry for those that haven't - yet. But I am also confident in God's judgement and justice and that he know's the heart.
I guess I might need to be content with 'I don't know' but let me know what you think :)

Bottom line...there is NO ALTERNATIVE to salvation on the basis of living faith in YHWH (not Allah) and His human incarnation as the Messiah (Isa.43:10-13; Matt.1:23; Acts.4:12) either before or since the first advent.

The idea that the means of salvation was somehow different prior to the first advent is a complete myth (Hab.2:4; Rom.1:16-17).

http://answering-islam.org/index.html

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Do you know a Christian is permitted to kill Halal?
Wow! I wouldn't have guessed that.
if I minister to a Muslim or go around 'spreading the word' in a less intelligent fashion to Muslims, or I'm reported as doing so, I risk a prison sentence. In Saudi it's a death sentence - fact. I don't know if that's something that the Quran states or if it's something the Governments have made up but that's how it is, probably because they believe Islam is right. Does the law reflect the attitude of the people? That's another question entirely!
Ha. From what I have experienced, the administration of Islam is very entrenched in politics/management of a region. Leaders hold tight to their influence over the people. In history classes we talk about the historic power of the Roman Catholic church in cahoots with government. I think that Islam often goes beyond this, and stays involved proudly.

Faith is part of life, faith is part of a region, faith is how a land's decisions are made.

Maybe the halal allowance is part of this desire for influence, welcoming whatever gestures toward Islam that people are willing to take on.

I heard some Muslims express that non-Muslims ignore so many cleanliness practices, that it makes them squeamish. Hand washing, foot washing, meat preparation etc... and that makes sense to me. It is like when we squirm if a person doesn't wash their hands before leaving a restroom. The cleanliness IS part of the religion, and Christians have distanced themselves from that aspect of JudeoChristianity.

So when a Christian chooses to conform to standards, then they are relieved -- not just in religious ways, but cultural.

As for speaking about Jesus, sometimes it is more effective to pose questions, than promote answers. What do you see as the difference? Do you see a calculated amount of goodness in Islam, that can lead toward salvation? Ask someone how good... what this limit is. And then calmly say how relieved you are that you believe the requirements were already met.

The books of Hebrews and Romans are helpful.

But I also think it's important to respect the cultural practices when you're on their turf. Buy the halal meat, shake the correct hand... as a matter of respect for what they see as preventing infection. Then you are not scowled at for being ignorant of worthwhile practices. Their religion is tied in with everything. We think Christianity is, but we tend to be less disciplined and cautious.
 
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