Music.

[Oblivious]

Yes

Interesting. Not being judgmental, but everytime I see him he's either drinking it up or using the "F" bomb. I've just always heard U2 is a Christian band and I never understood where that's coming from. No offense to U2, I do like their music (well, their older stuff anyway...)

 

[holo]

That's no big deal man. Some of the music I listen to is probably the same music that they play in Hell.

Haha, that's brilliant!

 

[Qyöt27]

That's no big deal man. Some of the music I listen to is probably the same music that they play in Hell.

But I thought they played Teen Pop in Hell...

 

[ffman]

Ok I listen to tons of secular groups such as: System Of a Down, The Used, My Chemical Romance, Beastie Boys. I think you get the picture. I know these songs have bad Morals but I just cant seem to find the same flair thats in those songs in Christain music. for me its like listening to classical compared to hardrock. Ive tried lots of Christain rock\rap bands {Blindside Tobymac Pillar} But its just not the same... should I just stop listening to music or force myself to listen to Christain?

I've never really listened to Christian music - I know I should - but, then again, I rarely ever listen to music. I'm not a musical kind of guy, I guess. When I do listen, I like different kinds of music - some pop, hip-hop, rap (even though I know much of it goes waaay past good morals), some rockish-type, etc. I've never been able to get into metal music - seems too hardcore for me. One band I've recently become interested in is Green Day (due to their spree of really good songs), but I'm afraid whether I should get their CD or not. I know nothing about their religious lifestyles, etc - they are more of a punk-rock band, I guess you should say.

Does anyone know of any good Christian music I could try to get started with? Not any certain 'genre', by the way.

 

[Buttermilk]

Interesting. Not being judgmental, but everytime I see him he's either drinking it up or using the "F" bomb. I've just always heard U2 is a Christian band and I never understood where that's coming from. No offense to U2, I do like their music (well, their older stuff anyway...)

Oh dear I better resign then

But seriously, have you ever really listened carefully to the lyrics of their songs?

 

[ivanisavich]

Well the lyrics in their songs could even be straight passages from the Bible!...but what really matters is their lifestyles

 

[Silver Speak]

But I thought they played Teen Pop in Hell...

Pop punk, probably -Simple Plan all day and night (not sure if there's day and night in Hell, though).

As for Bono and the gang being christians, I think it's just a rumor -just like Alice Cooper being saved. Who knows for sure, but I think it sounds a bit funny.. Just because Bono wants world peace or to end the world hunger and whatnot, it doesn't mean he's christian. There's a bunch of other celebrities that work for charity and who have a positive outlook but there's no point in making them christians until they claim so.

I've never really listened to Christian music - I know I should

Why should you? I mean, if you don't enjoy it it'd be just silly and pointless. If it doesn't give you any enjoyment it's no use.

Basically, there are two different types of music I like to listen to. First, there's the music I listen to just for enjoyment. I don't really mind the lyrics, whatever they might say -I just like the sound of the song. This also includes useless dance music I listen to in the car... I'd never get those albums 'cause they'll end up making me bored.

Then there's the thought-provoking stuff; artists I really respect and want to learn about. There's very little that's straight-forward christian and those are cds that usually just collect dust among my record collection 'cause, honestly, I don't always listen to something that perky. Some I really like, though. Generally, I like artists that have something to say, a mind of their own. I love artists that have the guts to criticize things, such as politics and even christian sub-culture.

Anyway, I can't stand it how some artists seem to make music just for the lyrics and not for the music. One has to have the willingness to keep developing their sound.

 

[holo]

Bono is open about his faith in Jesus.

 

[ivanisavich]

Just because Bono wants world peace or to end the world hunger and whatnot, it doesn't mean he's christian. There's a bunch of other celebrities that work for charity and who have a positive outlook but there's no point in making them christians until they claim so.

Agreed.

 

[Buttermilk]

Agreed.

See holo's post above


I was recently at a U2 concert and believe me it was overtly Christian IMHO.

Just because he/they drink and swear does not make them not Christians.

(If that was the case the Christian population would fall to a fraction of what it is just now )

 

[Silver Speak]

I was recently at a U2 concert and believe me it was overtly Christian IMHO.

Could you specify?

 

[Oblivious]

Just because he/they drink and swear does not make them not Christians.

(If that was the case the Christian population would fall to a fraction of what it is just now )

True, but if you were in the public's eyes, wouldn't you want to have a better witness?

And if you went by lyrics, there are many, many bands that you could label under the "Christian" category, but that does not necessary make the band members Christians.

 

[holo]

True, but if you were in the public's eyes, wouldn't you want to have a better witness?

Personally, I think it's absolutely wonderful that U2 are taking part in separating Jesus from the association with Church. There are more than enough straight-edge christians, and many of them are seen as hypocrites and judgmental. But Bono certainly doesn't come off like that. He helps people realize that you don't have to become a "christian" in order to believe in Jesus.

 

[ivanisavich]

Just because he/they drink and swear does not make them not Christians.

No...it makes them hypocrits

Now....ok ok I realize we all sin and therefore are all "hypocrits" to some extent...but when you're a national (and worldwide) role model you should be watching your p's and q's a heck of a lot more!

As Oblivious pointed out...they're not exactly good Christian "witnesses".

Didn't we just have a discussion like this in the "Jessica Simpson -- Boots" thread?

 

[ivanisavich]

He helps people realize that you don't have to become a "christian" in order to believe in Jesus.

Well...that's not going to help ya much though! Even Satan himself "believes in Jesus". It's only after taking that extra step in leaving your past lifestyle and following Jesus that's going to change anything

 

[Oblivious]

Personally, I think it's absolutely wonderful that U2 are taking part in separating Jesus from the association with Church. There are more than enough straight-edge christians, and many of them are seen as hypocrites and judgmental. But Bono certainly doesn't come off like that. He helps people realize that you don't have to become a "christian" in order to believe in Jesus.

I agree that there are alot of hypocritical Christians. My point was that if you're a Christian you will want to witness to others. You can do that without coming off as a goody-two-shoes.

BTW - there's alot more to a Christian than believing in Jesus. As ivanisavich stated, even Satan believes in Jesus.

 

[holo]

No...it makes them hypocrits

A hypocrite is one who says to do one thing but then does the opposite. I don't think Bono has ever said that you shouldn't drink or smoke, or claimed that he doesn't himself.

Well...that's not going to help ya much though!

Actually it does help a lot. It helps me, for one. It reminds me that I my position before God has nothing to do with going to church or fitting into the christian norm and culture, and it will help all those who don't even consider Christ because they equate Him with the church.

My point was that if you're a Christian you will want to witness to others.

And Bono does. He doesn't do it like I would, like you would, or like Billy Graham would - thank God - he's just honest and personal about it. That works better than a thousand fancy words or correct christian attitudes.

 

[ivanisavich]

A hypocrite is one who says to do one thing but then does the opposite. I don't think Bono has ever said that you shouldn't drink or smoke, or claimed that he doesn't himself.

A hypocrite in action, not in words. Someone might claim to be a photographer...but if they don't take pictures their words don't go very far.

Actually it does help a lot. It helps me, for one. It reminds me that I my position before God has nothing to do with going to church or fitting into the christian norm and culture, and it will help all those who don't even consider Christ because they equate Him with the church.

By "help ya" I wasn't referring to you, instead I was referring to those who believe that all you need to do is "believe in Jesus" to recieve salvation...so my point remains valid

 

[holo]

A hypocrite in action, not in words. Someone might claim to be a photographer...but if they don't take pictures their words don't go very far.

I see. Bono may not be a christian by your or anybody else's definition. He believes Jesus died for his sins, that's what it boils down to. As far as I know, he doesn't, like me, believe that salvation has anything to do with smoking or drinking (I do both).

By "help ya" I wasn't referring to you, instead I was referring to those who believe that all you need to do is "believe in Jesus" to recieve salvation...so my point remains valid [/font]

I would be one of those, then

 

[ivanisavich]

I see. Bono may not be a christian by your or anybody else's definition. He believes Jesus died for his sins, that's what it boils down to. As far as I know, he doesn't, like me, believe that salvation has anything to do with smoking or drinking (I do both).

Well...it was mainly Bono's language choices that led many of us to think that maybe he's just a Christian in word instead of deed. Drinking/smoking isn't that big of an issue. ....but cussing to your heart's delight (especially in public when people look up to you) certainly is.