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Property-Of-Jesus said:
I was just wanted some opinions of, did the jews kill Jesus.

"The Jews" did not kill Jesus. Some Jews in conspiracy with the Roman authorities had Him killed.

Of course, we all had a part in His death since we all sin.

I always thought he gave up his spirit to God.

Yes, as He died, He released His Spirit to God.

Wasn't there also some fact on the whole water seperated from blood that came from Jesus's spear wound?

When He was pierced, both blood and water flowed from the wound.
 
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Property-Of-Jesus said:
I was just wanted some opinions of, did the jews kill Jesus.
I always thought he gave up his spirit to God. There for the Jews did not kill him or cause the death. Wasn't there also some fact on the whole water seperated from blood that came from Jesus's spear wound?
I just wanted to help explain this to some friends, thx. :)
Good day, POJ

No one killed Jesus, he gave his life to be a ranson for many. He laid it down to forfill the work of the Father who sent Him.

Peace to u,

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BBAS 64 said:
Good day, POJ

No one killed Jesus, he gave his life to be a ranson for many. He laid it down to forfill the work of the Father who sent Him.

Peace to u,

BBAS
I agree. May I also add that he had legions of angels at his disposal. If he didn't willing go to the cross he never would have gotten there:)
 
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GOD (the HEAD of HIS BODY/TRUTH/LAW/MIND)
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YH'SHWH GOD

killed



YH'SHWH MESSIAH



when



YH'SHWH GOD killed the animal (we believe a LAMB)

and took the LAMB'S INNOCENT SKIN

and covered the sin of the first man and woman.



Sin required death.

Death, of an INNOCENT,

had been introduced,

into HIS CREATION,

because of HIS LOVE for us.

YH'SHWH is the only ONE
with INNOCENT BLOOD.


HE, as MESSIAH,

had to come to REDEEM us

from this death.


HE did.
WE are SAVED.

LOVE, RICOEL
 
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Property-Of-Jesus said:
I was just wanted some opinions of, did the jews kill Jesus.
I always thought he gave up his spirit to God. There for the Jews did not kill him or cause the death. Wasn't there also some fact on the whole water seperated from blood that came from Jesus's spear wound?
I just wanted to help explain this to some friends, thx. :)
The Pharisees handed Jesus over to the romans. But if you honestly think about it, no one person can be blamed. IT was your fault, my fault, Joe Schmoe's fault. He died so that anyone who comes to him will live. Lets stop trying to pin blame on one person, and thank God that he laid it down on his own accord, only to bring it back up again.
 
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Greetings All,

I believe elsewhere I have posted on this topic, but what is reliable are the scriptures:

What do the scriptures say:



Matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.




Matthew 17:22-23 And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men: 23 And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.




Matthew 21:33-45 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: 34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. 35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. 36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. 37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. 38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. 39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. 40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? 41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. 42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. 45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.




Matthew 23:31-33 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? 34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.




Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!




Matthew 26:3-4 Then assembled together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, unto the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas, 4 And consulted that they might take Jesus by subtilty, and kill him.




Matthew 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.




Mark 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.




Mark 9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.




Mark 10:33-34 Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles: 34 And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.




Mark 12:1-12 And he began to speak unto them by parables. A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country. 2 And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard. 3 And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty. 4 And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled. 5 And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some. 6 Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son. 7 But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours. 8 And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard. 9 What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others. 10 And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner: 11 This was the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 12 And they sought to lay hold on him, but feared the people: for they knew that he had spoken the parable against them: and they left him, and went their way.




 
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Luke 11:44-51 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them. 45 Then answered one of the lawyers, and said unto him, Master, thus saying thou reproachest us also. 46 And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers. 47 Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them. 48 Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and ye build their sepulchres. 49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute: 50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; 51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.


Luke 20:9-20 Then began he to speak to the people this parable; A certain man planted a vineyard, and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time. 10 And at the season he sent a servant to the husbandmen, that they should give him of the fruit of the vineyard: but the husbandmen beat him, and sent him away empty. 11 And again he sent another servant: and they beat him also, and entreated him shamefully, and sent him away empty. 12 And again he sent a third: and they wounded him also, and cast him out. 13 Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him. 14 But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours. 15 So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them? 16 He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid. 17 And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? 18 Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. 19 And the chief priests and the scribes the same hour sought to lay hands on him; and they feared the people: for they perceived that he had spoken this parable against them. 20 And they watched him, and sent forth spies, which should feign themselves just men, that they might take hold of his words, that so they might deliver him unto the power and authority of the governor.




Luke 22:2 And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill him; for they feared the people.




Luke 23:18 And they cried out all at once, saying, Away with this man, and release unto us Barabbas:




John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.




John 7:1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.




John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?




John 7:25-30 Then said some of them of Jerusalem, Is not this he, whom they seek to kill? 26 But, lo, he speaketh boldly, and they say nothing unto him. Do the rulers know indeed that this is the very Christ? 27 Howbeit we know this man whence he is: but when Christ cometh, no man knoweth whence he is. 28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not. 29 But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me. 30 Then they sought to take him: but no man laid hands on him, because his hour was not yet come.




John 8:22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.






John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.



John 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.




John 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.




John 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.




Acts 3:12-15 And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk? 13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. 14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; 15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.






Paul speaking:


1 Thess 2:14-15 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
 
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According to those scriptures, and lets leave aside the fact that we are ALL responsible for His death just for a moment, the Jews killed Christ. That is after all what they say. But wait, here is the kicker, we should be thanking them! If they had not killed Him then there would be no remission of sins through His blood! So feel free to sprew rhetoric about the Jews killing Jesus, I am glad they did. His death was necessary, and it was necessary at the hands of His own people. I am certainly glad they helped fulfill the prophecies.

Of course I am just as responsible as they are, my sin was covered, I may as well have driven the nails myself!
 
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flesh99 said:
According to those scriptures, and lets leave aside the fact that we are ALL responsible for His death just for a moment, the Jews killed Christ. That is after all what they say. But wait, here is the kicker, we should be thanking them! If they had not killed Him then there would be no remission of sins through His blood! So feel free to sprew rhetoric about the Jews killing Jesus, I am glad they did. His death was necessary, and it was necessary at the hands of His own people. I am certainly glad they helped fulfill the prophecies.

Of course I am just as responsible as they are, my sin was covered, I may as well have driven the nails myself!:cry:
Well said you beat me to it!:)
 
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Greetings All,

While I would agree that we all owe a debt of gratitude to God, even through the instrument He used to perform this most henious of crimes against our Savior, we can never say that WE are responsible for Jesus murder. That particular deed is attributed solely to the generation of Jews living AT THAT TIME.

Consider that each of US, because of our own sin, were facing the "death penalty". There we stood facing the firing squad, when Jesus came up and offered Himself to take the penalty which we faced. He undid our bonds holding us to the stake of death and willingly was our "scape goat", so that we might be freed from sin (the penalty was paid) and we were set free. Did I accept HIS FREE OFFER? You betcha! But I DID NOT MURDER HIM. He GAVE His life freely for me and for all who would believe in Him. It is a very humbling experience knowing that I was meant to die, and a Holy, sinless man came and died in my place. I owe Him my life. He is a "friend indeed".

Blessings,

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nephilimiyr said:
I believe everyone at the time had a hand in jesus's death and that includes jesus himself. I would characterize it more as the sacrifice of jesus, not the murder of him.
Greetings Nephilimiyr,

Did you read the scriptures I provided? Did you notice that both Peter and Paul laid the blame of Jesus death at the feet of the Jews? Did you notice that the Jews declared that His blood should be upon their heads and their children's heads? The penalty they paid for murdering Jesus occurred in 70 A.D. when Israel was destroyed and disbanded. It most certainly was murder, but what Satan intended for evil, God intended for the salvation of the world.

Blessings,

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Everyone of us is partly responsible for the death of Christ, you are only not responsible if you have never sinned. If you have sinned then you are part of the reason that He had to die. The Jews were responsible for physically turning him over the Romans and for insisting that he be crucified, but this was necessary so that ALL of us that accept His grace could be saved. Therefore we are all partially responsible. Also the Preterist position you are stating concerning 70 AD is only one view, there are many others and all supported with scripture. To claim one of them is the absolute final word on the matter is fallacy.
 
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Property-Of-Jesus said:
I was just wanted some opinions of, did the jews kill Jesus.
I always thought he gave up his spirit to God. There for the Jews did not kill him or cause the death. Wasn't there also some fact on the whole water seperated from blood that came from Jesus's spear wound?
I just wanted to help explain this to some friends, thx. :)
God killed Jesus. It was His plan from the beginning. He used some Jewish leaders, Romans and Judas to get the job done but would have found someone else to do the job if they had refused. And yes, Jesus surrendered His spirit to God (much sooner than most people died on the cross).
 
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israelthebride said:
We believe that YH’SHWH is GOD (the HEAD of HIS BODY/TRUTH/LAW/MIND) + HOLY SPIRIT (the LIFE of HIS BODY) + MESSIAH (HIS BODY/the only WAY to HIM)
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YH'SHWH GOD killed YH'SHWH MESSIAH
when YH'SHWH GOD killed the animal (we believe a LAMB)
and took the LAMB'S INNOCENT SKIN
and covered the sin of the first man and woman.
Sin required death.

Death, of an INNOCENT, had been introduced, into HIS CREATION,
because of HIS LOVE for us.

YH'SHWH is the only ONE with INNOCENT BLOOD.


HE, as MESSIAH, had to come to REDEEM us from this death.


HE did. WE are SAVED. LOVE, RICOEL
I would just like to make it clear that the "we" in this is not necessarily Messianic Judaism. This statement is a mix of scriptural truth and an individual's theology.

b'Shalom
Henaynei
 
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nephilimiyr said:
I believe everyone at the time had a hand in jesus's death and that includes jesus himself. I would characterize it more as the sacrifice of jesus, not the murder of him.
Just so!! Correct you are :)
 
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Property-Of-Jesus said:
I was just wanted some opinions of, did the jews kill Jesus.
I always thought he gave up his spirit to God. There for the Jews did not kill him or cause the death. Wasn't there also some fact on the whole water seperated from blood that came from Jesus's spear wound?
I just wanted to help explain this to some friends, thx. :)

From a strictly literary point of view, the Synoptic Gospels portray the Jewish leaders (priests and scribes) enticing the crowd to riot.

In the Gospel of John, Qafâ (Ciaphas) received prophesy that Jesus was the one to die for the sake of many, and helped fulfill the prophesy.

IMHO, it was prophesied, so it happened. :)

Shlomo,
-Steve-o
 
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Here, the Word of G-d states that ALL are together in their action against Yeshua.

Acts 4:24 So when they heard that, they raised their voice to G-d with one accord and said: "L-rd, You are G-d, who made heaven and earth and the sea, and all that is in them, 25 who by the mouth of Your servant Davidhave said: 'Why did the nations rage, And the people plot vain things? 26 The kings of the earth took their stand, And the rulers were gathered together Against the L-rd and against His Messiah.' 27 "For truly against Your holy Servant Yeshua, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together 28 to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done.
Essentially this says: "The Jews and their leaders, and the Gentiles and theri leaders....." That pretty much covers everyone........
 
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Dad Ernie said:
Greetings Nephilimiyr,

Did you read the scriptures I provided? Did you notice that both Peter and Paul laid the blame of Jesus death at the feet of the Jews? Did you notice that the Jews declared that His blood should be upon their heads and their children's heads? The penalty they paid for murdering Jesus occurred in 70 A.D. when Israel was destroyed and disbanded. It most certainly was murder, but what Satan intended for evil, God intended for the salvation of the world.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie
Blessings Dad Ernie!

No, I'm sorry I didn't read what you wrote but I have read those passages many times. :)

Yes, Both Paul and Peter said, and rightly so, that the blame for Jesus's death was upon the Jews but when I consider this I also consider that the blame lies with all mankind. In fact it's our sin starting with Adam that we needed jesus to die in the first place. I'm I right about that? I mean the purpose for jesus's life was to die for our sins as a sacrifice.

When I said "everyone had a hand in Jesus's death including Jesus" was not placeing blame on anyone but simply says that the events of the time all worked according to Gods plan. Jesus gave himself as a sacrifice, that was his purpose. Thank you Jesus by the way!!!:clap: :clap: :clap: Can anyone ask for any better Lord than He? :scratch:

Now if you want to play the blame game, Yes, the Jews are to blame for the actual crime and I do agree with you that that is the reason for their destruction in 70AD. Yet it's also very important to remember that we all hold blame for this. If it wasn't for our sinful natures, Jesus's sacrifice never would've been needed and with that in mind we are all to blame and should never believe otherwise!
 
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