(moved) With Donald on the ropes does that make Hillary the best candidate to vote for?

[pat34lee]

I thought character mattered.

It used to matter. These days, the motto for living is:
Don't judge me.

 

[pat34lee]

A third party vote is absolutely not a wasted vote because when my grandchild asked me if I voted for either one of these 'train wrecks in slow motion' I'll be able to say no baby I didn't, it was obvious they were on the wrong tracks from the very beginning.

Rather, you can tell them,"Instead of voting for the one
which would do the least damage, I threw my vote out
so that it meant nothing. That's how we ended up with
Clinton, who started WW3 a few months later."

 

[Armoured]

Which candidate do you think is less awful?

Hillary. She's still awful, but less awful than Drumpf

 

[Tigger45]

Hillary. She's still awful, but less awful than Drumpf

Although I can't vote for either one I don't want Trump to have the nuclear codes. Thank God he's finally sunk his own ship.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Although I can't vote for either one I don't want Trump to have the nuclear codes. Thank God he's finally sunk his own ship.

Then you must not understand how nuclear authorization works.....the prez can't fire them whenever he wants.......

 

[Tigger45]

Then you must not understand how nuclear authorization works.....the prez can't fire them whenever he wants.......

Straw man... I didn't say he can fire them whenever he wants. Imposing your own statements within another's post is not a honest approach to healthy dialogue.

 

[Armoured]

Then you must not understand how nuclear authorization works.....the prez can't fire them whenever he wants.......

Yet "Hillary will start WWIII" is the scary meme du jour

 

[SolomonVII]

I'm pro life, and that's why I don't agree with Clinton on close to 100% of the issues. I do recognize that abortions have dropped significantly under Obama, however, and think that a continuation of such a drop is a good thing.

That has about as much to do with Obama as the rise of America as the largest producer of fossil fuels has had to do with Obama.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Straw man... I didn't say he can fire them whenever he wants. Imposing your own statements within another's post is not a honest approach to healthy dialogue.

That is what you were implying, if not then you might want to be clear in your wording.....

 

[civilwarbuff]

Yet "Hillary will start WWIII" is the scary meme du jour

I don't believe either one would start WWIII; that is just scare mongering from both camps. I do believe hrc might over react to a miltary situation in an effort to prove she is not a "weak woman". Trump....I dont know. Sometimes you can use that to your advantage to keep an adversary guessing. Iran knew Jimmy Carter was weak and would do little to rescue the hostages they took. With Reagan, he was an unknown and they were not willing to take the chance that he might hit them very,very hard so they caved.

 

[Armoured]

I don't believe either one would start WWIII; that is just scare mongering from both camps. I do believe hrc might over react to a miltary situation in an effort to prove she is not a "weak woman". Trump....I dont know. Sometimes you can use that to your advantage to keep an adversary guessing. Iran knew Jimmy Carter was weak and would do little to rescue the hostages they took. With Reagan, he was an unknown and they were not willing to take the chance that he might hit them very,very hard so they caved.

I mostly agree.

 

[Uncle Siggy]

I don't believe either one would start WWIII; that is just scare mongering from both camps. I do believe hrc might over react to a miltary situation in an effort to prove she is not a "weak woman". Trump....I dont know. Sometimes you can use that to your advantage to keep an adversary guessing. Iran knew Jimmy Carter was weak and would do little to rescue the hostages they took. With Reagan, he was an unknown and they were not willing to take the chance that he might hit them very,very hard so they caved.

Yeah the Carter campaign did a lot of scare mongering with Reagan too, said he was a loose cannon, a cowboy and unfit mentally to hold office. Sound familiar???

You and Armoured should Google/Bing the Iranian hostage deal to see all of what has been posted. For some reason (political shenanigans) a lot of what went on has been revisited/rehashed/story changed in the last 4-5 years. I remember Reagan stating he was going to take a much tougher stance on terrorists and hostage taking. Other reports said he arranged it so that the hostages wouldn't be released until he was inaugurated. Other reports show since the Iran/Iraq war was now going on they thought it best to release them so they could pay full attention to the war.

Anyway it's interesting reading to say the least...

 

[Tigger45]

That is what you were implying, if not then you might want to be clear in your wording.....

Absolutely not. You assumed were you should of asked. That's the evolution of dialogue. There's no such thing as an exhaustive post were it might cover any and all assumptions of others or it's up to interpretation. No the reader has the responsibility to ask were there own assumptions might arise as the conversation continues.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Absolutely not. You assumed were you should of asked. That's the evolution of dialogue. There's no such thing as an exhaustive post were it might cover any and all assumptions of others or it's up to interpretation. No the reader has the responsibility to ask were there own assumptions might arise as the conversation continues.

Or to write in such a way that asking for clarification is not necessary.......

 

[Tigger45]

Or to write in such a way that asking for clarification is not necessary.......

That was covered the in the post you just tagged but didn't bother to address as written anyway.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

That has about as much to do with Obama as the rise of America as the largest producer of fossil fuels has had to do with Obama.

So if the president has nothing to do with abortion rates, then we shouldn't care about what a president believes about abortion.
The rise of North American fossil fuels has to do with advances in directional drilling and stimulation. In my opinion the lowering of abortion rates has to do with increased access to birth control, better sex ed, better access to healthcare, and more programs to support parents. ..all things I think can be somewhat connected to policies promoted by the Obama administration.

 

[civilwarbuff]

if the president has nothing to do with abortion rates, then we shouldn't care about what a president believes about abortion.

Not quite....Teddy Roosevelt liked to talk about the Presidency as being a "bully pulpit'; a position that when the president spoke peopole actually listened and in more extreme cases verbally "beat the public over the head" to push them in a desired direction.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bully_pulpit
Bully pulpit
This article is about the turn of phrase. For the comic book, see Tales From the Bully Pulpit. For the game company, see Bully Pulpit Games.
A bully pulpit is a conspicuous position that provides an opportunity to speak out and be listened to.

This term was coined by President Theodore Roosevelt, who referred to the White House as a "bully pulpit", by which he meant a terrific platform from which to advocate an agenda. Roosevelt used the word bully as an adjective meaning "superb" or "wonderful", a more common usage in his time than it is today. Another expression which survives from this era is "bully for you", synonymous with "good for you".

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

So do you take that to mean Obama dies deserve at least a bit of credit for the decline in abortions during his time as president?

Not quite....Teddy Roosevelt liked to talk about the Presidency as being a "bully pulpit'; a position that when the president spoke peopole actually listened and in more extreme cases verbally "beat the public over the head" to push them in a desired direction.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bully_pulpit
Bully pulpit
This article is about the turn of phrase. For the comic book, see Tales From the Bully Pulpit. For the game company, see Bully Pulpit Games.
A bully pulpit is a conspicuous position that provides an opportunity to speak out and be listened to.

This term was coined by President Theodore Roosevelt, who referred to the White House as a "bully pulpit", by which he meant a terrific platform from which to advocate an agenda. Roosevelt used the word bully as an adjective meaning "superb" or "wonderful", a more common usage in his time than it is today. Another expression which survives from this era is "bully for you", synonymous with "good for you".

 

[civilwarbuff]

So do you take that to mean Obama dies deserve at least a bit of credit for the decline in abortions during his time as president?

Do you have any evidence that he used his 'bully pulpit' to reduce abortions? If so, I am happy to give him credit due......

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

Do you have any evidence that he used his 'bully pulpit' to reduce abortions? If so, I am happy to give him credit due......

I think he used his bully pulpit to do the things that reduced abortions, like making it easier to access birth control.