(moved) With Donald on the ropes does that make Hillary the best candidate to vote for?

[tulc]

She was ALWAYS a better candidate then Mr Trump.
tulc(just thought that needed to be pointed out)

 

[SolomonVII]

So if the president has nothing to do with abortion rates, then we shouldn't care about what a president believes about abortion.
.

I didn't say the office of presidency has nothing to do with abortion rates.

I said that Obama had nothing to do with a falling of abortion rates on his watch.

A president has the potential to do something about abortion. None of the reasons for a falling abortion rate relate back to the policies or the attitude of the president who would hate to 'punish his girls with a baby'.

 

[Armoured]

So do you take that to mean Obama dies deserve at least a bit of credit for the decline in abortions during his time as president?

It's perfectly simple, if abortion rates increase under a Republican, or decrease under a Democrat, the President has no5hing to do with it. If they decrease under a Republican, or increase under a Democrat, it's the direct result of the President's policies and intent.

 

[SolomonVII]

It's perfectly simple, if abortion rates increase under a Republican, or decrease under a Democrat, the President has no5hing to do with it. If they decrease under a Republican, or increase under a Democrat, it's the direct result of the President's policies and intent.

Nobody shares that belief with you.

 

[civilwarbuff]

That's the evolution of dialogue. There's no such thing as an exhaustive post were it might cover any and all assumptions of others or it's up to interpretation.

Then I guess your dialogue has not evolved far enough for me....

 

[tulc]

Nobody shares that belief with you.

I do.
tulc(has watched the Republican Party manipulate the anti-abortion voters for the last 30+ years)

 

[SolomonVII]

I don't believe either one would start WWIII; that is just scare mongering from both camps. I do believe hrc might over react to a miltary situation in an effort to prove she is not a "weak woman". Trump....I dont know. Sometimes you can use that to your advantage to keep an adversary guessing. Iran knew Jimmy Carter was weak and would do little to rescue the hostages they took. With Reagan, he was an unknown and they were not willing to take the chance that he might hit them very,very hard so they caved.

Some of the things that Reagan did in the run up to his election I found a little bizarre and 'scary' at the time. There was the time, for example, when he grabbed the mike in a gym or something and made a joking announcement of the commencing of the nuclear attack against the USSR.

The press at the time caricatured him as some wild, rather psychotic cowboy.

In the end, Reagan's foreign policy was the most successful foreign policy that there has ever been in my lifetime.
The Cold War ended on American terms due to Reagan's involvement. That is something nobody was predicting was going to happen.
Now, I don't think that HRC or DT are anything like Reagan, but the times are not like the nuclear threat that existed during the Cold War either. It is rather hysterical to believe that either of them will bring in Armeggedon.

As for Reagan, it was a little bit scary for me for sure., at the time.

 

[pat34lee]

[Staff edit]

When you make a choice between two people
with vastly different ideals, the one you put in
office is on your head. Same with everyone else.
Their actions are only possible because of those
who vote for them.

If I could vote in someone who would outlaw
abortion at the state level and dare the SC or
any other court to try and stop them, I would
in a second. The courts were never meant to
be the final arbiters of right and wrong. That
job belongs to the people.

 

[Paidiske]

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[Paidiske]

MOD HAT ON

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[J Cord]

Do most men, in the locker room, talk about sexually assaulting women?

I would have said no because I've never heard anyone brag about sexually assaulting women ever, or bragging that they could get away with sexually assaulting women. If anyone had done that up where I live in Canada, they would have gotten smacked in the head.

But here, on this Christian Forum, I have read numerous times that this is normal "locker room talk" among conservative Christians. And I have read numerous times conservative Christians stating that it is acceptable to do this, not a good thing, but not bad either, just "boys being boys," and "we aren't electing our church pastor."

Honest question to conservative American Christians from someone in a different culture: Is this what people you know sometimes brag about in locker rooms?

 

[J Cord]

Nobody shares that belief with you.

I do as well.

 

[SolomonVII]

I do as well.

To be clear, pro-life people who actually believe that really ought to advocate for Republican presidents then. It would be the rational thing to do, for all of you who believe that.

 

[J Cord]

To be clear, pro-life people who actually believe that really ought to advocate for Republican presidents then. It would be the rational thing to do, for all of you who believe that.

I think it is logical to vote for the best person in the race, regardless of party they belong to.

 

[SolomonVII]

You think it is logical to vote for a POTUS because he is Republican. I disagree. I think it is logical to vote for the best person in the race, regardless of party they belong to.

That is not what I think.

But it does not really matter. It is not as if I expect a fair representation of what I think from you, or even a literate understanding of what it is that you have actually agreed to.

Those who know how to read will have a little laugh with me about what Democrats have actually been agreeing to.

It is mostly just a waste of my own time though to even respond to you anymore.

 

[J Cord]

That is not what I think.

My apologies, that's what I thought you meant.

I'll edit my post immediately and appropriately.

EDIT: EDITED.

 

[Winken]

I would have said no because I've never heard anyone brag about sexually assaulting women ever, or bragging that they could get away with sexually assaulting women. If anyone had done that up where I live in Canada, they would have gotten smacked in the head.

But here, on this Christian Forum, I have read numerous times that this is normal "locker room talk" among conservative Christians. And I have read numerous times conservative Christians stating that it is acceptable to do this, not a good thing, but not bad either, just "boys being boys," and "we aren't electing our church pastor."

Honest question to conservative American Christians from someone in a different culture: Is this what people you know sometimes brag about in locker rooms?

I have occasionally encountered that. I speak up immediately. I say that I'm not there to hear that. God be praised, it happens in few cases.

 

[Winken]

I think it is logical to vote for the best person in the race, regardless of party they belong to.

Not logical, IMHO. The two party platforms are miles apart.

“I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth - that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid?”

―Benjamin Franklin

 

[J Cord]

I have occasionally encountered that. I speak up immediately. I say that I'm not there to hear that. God be praised, it happens in few cases.

Thanks for the answer Winken. Appreciated.

 

[J Cord]

Not logical, IMHO. The two party platforms are miles apart.

“I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth - that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid?”

―Benjamin Franklin

I see the platforms as being quite similar. But I don't see what Trump is advocating as the Republican platform.