(moved) With Donald on the ropes does that make Hillary the best candidate to vote for?

[ViaCrucis]

Even if we, for a moment, pretend all of the various accusations made against Mrs. Clinton were in fact true (and there is precisely no reason to believe that, but let's assume it for the sake of argument) she has been, between herself and Trump, the only one who is a valid candidate for the American presidency.

Even if she is everything the right wing propaganda mill has said, she would still be the better choice over Donald Trump.

Not because Hillary is the best choice. But because the alternative--Trump--is the absolute worst choice possible.

[Staff edit]

-CryptoLutheran

 

[pat34lee]

Have you seen the latest polls, she is expected to win by a considerable margin. Trump did this to himself, she has been playing to her base while Trump can't get his foot out of his mouth with a crowbar. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy's candour but his domestic agenda is a formula for economic disaster.

[Staff edit]

Polls mean nothing at this point, because many of those
who are claiming support for Hillary either won't vote at
all, or they will vote for someone else and never admit it.

 

[mark kennedy]

Polls mean nothing at this point, because many of those
who are claiming support for Hillary either won't vote at
all, or they will vote for someone else and never admit it.

Your dreaming, I can't find anything to support what you are saying. She has a sizable lead and it's growing. [Staff edit] What is going to happen is the people of the United States are going to elect the most qualified candidate. I didn't do it to Trump, he did it to himself. It was a great campaign but going into the debate he had some kind of a meltdown. He could still pull it out in the next debate but if and only if he finds his composure which seems unlikely.

Sorry about your guy but he is going down.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[pat34lee]

Sorry about your guy but he is going down.

BTW, 'my guy' this election is anyone but Hillary.
She should have been in jail or at least barred
from political office two decades ago.

 

[chevyontheriver]

This is a companion thread to "Is it time for Donald to bow out?"

Hillary is NOT the best candidate to vote for. Trump isn't either. Both big parties failed us bad this year.

There ARE other candidates running and it is about time we as a people get over being stuck with only two candidates. Those two are NOT the only candidates running. My state has nine choices on the ballot. Two or three of those are far better than Hillary, far better than Trump.

With only 30 days until the election it's really time to look at the other options. Never Trump Never Hillary.

 

[Dan_R]

I voted "no."
It's sad, but I suspect Mrs. Clinton will win. However, I'm unwilling to vote for Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Trump.
I intend to write in Evan McMullin (you can do that in Maryland, where I live) unless I hear somebody better is in the race. I heard about him here:
https://collisionofchurchandstate.com/2016/09/30/dear-christians-faith-or-fear/

 

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[Tigger45]

I voted no on this poll and wrote in Bernie Sanders on my mail in vote just yesterday.

 

[JacksBratt]

I voted "no" because everything Hillary says is scripted and a source of leverage to get her elected whether it is truth or some dangling carrot to the public. The rest of what she says is a dismal attempt to make Trump look bad. Meanwhile she is a standing neck deep in mud and pointing out that Trump has muddy feet.

Everyone in any power is against Trump now. The democrats, the republican elite, the media.... all powerful people never expected the people of the US to vote this guy so far into this election process. He was supposed to lose out way earlier.

Now the are scared that their proxy leader, Hillary, is not going to get elected. I don't believe that there is, at the top, any difference between the democrats and republicans. Someone is pulling the strings on this game and Hillary was supposed to win.

Now the people are speaking and the puppet masters are trying to figure out what they are going to do.

Their plan had one flaw, the people of the US are sick of the machine, sick of the status quo, sick of the bald faced lies, sick of the disappearing middle class, sick of the whole government establishment of players.

Trump is a new way to do things. Nobody owns him. Now they are scared he will win.

 

[KWCrazy]

There ARE other candidates running and it is about time we as a people get over being stuck with only two candidates.

Cast your vote as you wish, either Hillary or Trump will be president.
Personally, I'd like to see Democrats abstain from the presidential race to send a message to their party that they are sick of the Clintons. Won't happen, though. [Staff edit]

 

[tatteredsoul]

This is a companion thread to "Is it time for Donald to bow out?" Please let's be adults about this; no polemics which is the reason I posted this here in the Christian only forum. Just state your reason for or against based on what you feel fairly certain to be true. One other thing, please just comments from US citizens eligible to vote as they are the ones to determine the outcome.

No.

Hillary is a hawkish, almost neoconservative (or, neoliberal) war lustrous scary candidate. We will go to world war, likely nuclear, if either is in office. But, Hillary will most certainly get the US into war soon after in office.

The subtle bright side is that, with Hillary, she will ensure MAD - like the Samson method often attributed to Israel. But, saying this is a bright side is like saying g eternity is too short of time.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Cast your vote as you wish, either Hillary or Trump will be president.
Personally, I'd like to see Democrats abstain from the presidential race to send a message to their party that they are sick of the Clintons. Won't happen, though.

I would like Democrats to pair with Republicans this year and agree to vote third party. It would work like this. Hypothetically you don't like Hillary but feel the need to vote for her to stop Trump. I don't like Trump but feel the need to vote for him to stop Hillary. Lets both vote for someone entirely different since otherwise my vote only cancels yours. Maybe in this pipe dream of mine where so many voters are disenchanted with who they feel they have to vote for, we can pair up in this way and vote for somebody we want. I propose McMullen, but it could be any third party candidate. Otherwise we really do get Hillary or Trump, and that would be a shame.

 

[nChrist]

I voted NO because I view Clinton [Staff edit] I think that she will destroy what's left of this country if she is elected. On the other hand, I think that Trump has the potential to do a lot of good. I will definitely vote for Donald Trump - mainly because Clinton belongs in prison and just might end up there.

 

[nChrist]

By the way, Trump or Clinton WILL BE the next POTUS. Voting third party or doing a write in is a wasted vote. I think that we all have a duty to keep Clinton out of the Whitehouse, and that will mean voting for Trump.

 

[mark kennedy]

I voted NO because I view Clinton and [Staff edit] I think that she will destroy what's left of this country if she is elected. On the other hand, I think that Trump has the potential to do a lot of good. I will definitely vote for Donald Trump - mainly because Clinton belongs in prison and just might end up there.

Donald Trump has been accused of the rape of a thirteen year old girl:

Presidential frontrunner Donald Trump is fighting what could be the biggest election season bombshell yet — explosive court claims that he raped a woman when she was a teen.

The woman — identified as Katie Johnson — filed documents in a California court on April 26, accusing Trump and billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein of “sexual abuse under threat of harm” and “conspiracy to deprive civil rights,” RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned.

She filed the lawsuit herself — without legal representation — and is suing for $100 million. (Lawsuit Charges Donald Trump with Raping a 13-year Old Girl)
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Of course Trump has denied the allegations and well, to be honest, political campaigns are polluted with these kind of allegations. Perhaps it's mudslinging, but if any of it's true, how is this guy staying out of jail?

Trump has been accused of harassment and assault by a number of women, with several coming forward to share their harrowing stories of alleged misconduct by a so-called “megalomaniac” who also happens to be running for president. (An Exhaustive List of the Allegations Women Have Made Against Donald Trump. New York Times)
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I count at least six serious allegations of criminal misconduct and the hearings are going to commence after the final outcome of the election. Do you really want to find out after the fact you voted for a sex offender? I don't know if I believe it but with all this hanging over his head I consider him unelectable.

Have a nice day
Mark

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[samir]

This is a companion thread to "Is it time for Donald to bow out?" Please let's be adults about this; no polemics which is the reason I posted this here in the Christian only forum. Just state your reason for or against based on what you feel fairly certain to be true. One other thing, please just comments from US citizens eligible to vote as they are the ones to determine the outcome.

If by latest revelations you're referring to Trump's locker room talk, it makes me want to vote for Trump even more than I did previously.

 

[nChrist]

mark kennedy,

I don't believe the allegations against Trump. I wouldn't put it past the Clintons to pay those making these allegations. AND, Hillary may yet go to prison for her crimes.

 

[samir]

Donald Trump has been accused of the rape of a thirteen year old girl

If Trump were found guilty of raping that woman, I'm sure no one would support him but I believe people should be considered innocent until proven guilty. [Staff edit]

Do you really want to find out after the fact you voted for a sex offender?

No, I wouldn't but if it were true he would go to jail and be forced to step down from being the president so it's not an issue for me. [Staff edit]

 

[mark kennedy]

If Trump were found guilty of raping that woman, I'm sure no one would support him but I believe people should be considered innocent until proven guilty.

I'm not convinced he is guilty, and certainly don't know that he is innocent. Where there is smoke there is fire and when you get close to power and money justice is far from certain. Maybe your right and I'm certainly not wanting to get on some band wagon witch hunt for the guy, I don't what this to play out with him in office, especially if it turns out to be true.

[Staff edit]

The GOP has gotten a lot of milage our of this kind of sexual innuendo, I can't help but wonder how they like it on the other foot. I think this is going to end any political career he might have had, he has hurt his party, his reputation and he is going to have to clean up a terrible mess after this. That's politics, they are very adept at getting into that closet and rattling those bones.

No, I wouldn't but if it were true he would go to jail and be forced to step down from being the president so it's not an issue for me.

I don't think it's the cut and dried but I'm willing to wait and see. I don't take a federal lawsuit lightly, this isn't idle gossip, these are questionable but serious allegations. Ok, maybe you're right and we will all see him exonerated. You have to prepare yourself for one important possibility, maybe not.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[ViaCrucis]

If by latest revelations you're referring to Trump's locker room talk,

Do most men, in the locker room, talk about sexually assaulting women?

As someone who has been male my entire life, and been privy to a great many of talks about sex in general, about the opposite gender, etc in the company of other men, I can quite safely say that no matter how crude things got, I can't recall a single time anyone bragged about being able to sexually assault a woman.

-CryptoLutheran