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(moved) What can be done to improve the race relations in America?

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^ you must remember that many whites live in mostly white areas and many blacks live in mostly black areas and have only what tv and movies throw at us to show each other what we're like I went to an elementary school and high school that had 3 black kids out of the 2400 students and maybe 20 Mexicans... very different white people from those in very heavily mixed environments... blacks on tv are all rappers, thugs and social degenerates and whites are portrayed as peppy, rich and selfish which is not true of either race in the majority... that would be racial if I said they did. Again, blacks were enslaved by blacks. Blacks sold blacks and there WERE Blacks who had black slaves.... gotta love public schools.... only teaching one side of things
That is true some blacks did indeed sell and enslave each other but that is no excuse for slavery. It doesn't give it an okay. A stamp of approval... And speaking of one side of things, school rarely teaches about white slavery either... But it did happen and most people wouldn't believe me because it isnt talked about, not in school ( rarely) nor are their films about it one month out of the year as a reminder.
 
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Would you like for me to remove the part when the Indians were murdered or the part where blacks were inslaved working like machines? Is that part of history to much for you? You asked what could resolve this race issue in America and first thing is first is to admit the past, deal with it, fix it. Not sweep it under a rug. Teach truth.

This video right here is hilarious! It was made by a white person....Fyi but I've experienced all of this on a regular. I wouldn't call it racist but it shows how ignorant some white people are towards minority.

I know ALL of that. No one is saying its *not * wrong...at least Im not ..but you can't take your frustration you feel towards their ancestors out on their descendents today. The people youre mad at are dead and gone..long gone. Anger is too much of a negative emotion to have trapped inside of you, not saying to ignore racism and pretend it doesn't exist but you gotta get that yoke from off your neck sis
 
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I could open a can of worms by telling you the media who portray these images who you believe are white are actually Zionist jews and they do NOT consider themselves white.... they are so called jew-"ish" to non Zionist jews because they have no allies, only their own and do not like non-Zionist jews. They have been behind almost every major event in history in the last several centuries and profit from them a lot for playing the role of the victim

if this does become alarming to some, please remove mods or I can remove it

This is a myth. The owners of media are White Anglo Saxon Protestants. The Krupps Bilderburgs etc.

If you don't mind me asking, what white nationalist organization doyou belong to?
 
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^ you must remember that many whites live in mostly white areas and many blacks live in mostly black areas and have only what tv and movies throw at us to show each other what we're like I went to an elementary school and high school that had 3 black kids out of the 2400 students and maybe 20 Mexicans... very different white people from those in very heavily mixed environments... blacks on tv are all rappers, thugs and social degenerates and whites are portrayed as peppy, rich and selfish which is not true of either race in the majority... that would be racial if I said they did. Again, blacks were enslaved by blacks. Blacks sold blacks and there WERE Blacks who had black slaves.... gotta love public schools.... only teaching one side of things

In African slavery the slaves were not slaves for life. They worked off a debt and got their freedom. They were also treated humanely. European/African slavery was much more brutal with whipping and working slaves literally to death on the sugar plantations. Forensic evidence shows that muscle was separated from bone due to muscle strain. Also the children of the slaves were slaves for life and sold off in order to break family units apart. This was not done in Africa.
 
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In African slavery the slaves were not slaves for life. They worked off a debt and got their freedom. They were also treated humanely. European/African slavery was much more brutal with whipping and working slaves literally to death on the sugar plantations. Forensic evidence shows that muscle was separated from bone due to muscle strain. Also the children of the slaves were slaves for life and sold off in order to break family units apart. This was not done in Africa.
This is true, I remember reading up on a slave's narrative ...his name started with an O, Olamide? Idk..anyway he compared and contrasted his experience working as a slave for his own people and Europeans. Africans treated him more humanely while Europeans were more brutal.
 
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We live in a small town in the southern part of South Carolina. I'm neither proud or ashamed to say that racism is still very much a part of everyday life where we live. I don't think that we really ever thought about racism before we moved here (about 8 years ago, from Pennsylvania). I really only ever had a few occasions to do so. I knew some black people, near as I could tell they were just like white people, just a different skin color. Just like white people: some of them were nice and some of them were jerks, some of them hard working and some lazy, some decent and some criminals. I never really felt like black people treated me differently for being white. Here, it's very different. And sometimes, I can feel myself fighting against becoming a racist.

There is a railroad burm that goes through the middle of our town that separates the black side of town from the white side. Most of the white folks live on one side and most black folks live on the other. Downtown, there is a big Baptist Church with a mostly white congregation and a big Baptist Church with a mostly black congregation, a big Methodist Church with a mostly white congregation and a big Methodist Church with a mostly black congregation. Two Horizons (gas stations) each with two EZ Shops (convenience stores) one frequented by whites and one blacks, a Hardee's, a pizza place, a Piggly Wiggly, a Courthouse, a Bank, the Sherriff's office, a few small businesses and really not much else. Mostly, black people and white people are courteous but cautious of one and other here, but every once in a while there not.

There are no laws here telling people to separate themselves like that, really no overt hate propaganda teaching us to be this way, our kids all go to school together, there's no lynchings, no drive by shootings, we're really too small for groups like BLM or any white supremacy groups to bother with. No one is insisting that the town divide itself like that, but still we just do; black people and white people both just choose to be separate here. There's not a single person here who doesn't know where that line is — "the tracks"... thing of it is: there hasn't been a train in Bamberg for 25 years. "The tracks" are literally gone - physically removed in the 90's, yet still they separate us.

Most of the town is poor. When we first moved here, I had no work. I got a job at the pizza place and my wife got a job at the bank, then later, I got a better job at the Dept. of Transportation (DOT), was trained as an inspector and now have a really good job with a private company that does inspections out of Charleston (90 miles or so away from Bamberg). There were black people in all of those places. As a matter of fact both my supervisor at the DOT and my wife's at the bank were both black people. A year or so after I started at the DOT another guy started there who I'll just call Joe, because, well, his name was Joe. Joe was black, had a family just like me, busted his butt just like me, and eventually found a much better job with a private company - just like me. My point being is that there is no "institutionalized" racism preventing black people from getting a job in Bamberg. There's nothing but crummy jobs, but sometimes a crumby job is what you need to get a foot up. Stil, on any given workday I can drive my truck through the black side of Bamberg and see porch after porch of able bodied people, sitting idol. Now, I realize what a stereotype that is to say, but I can't deny what I see everyday with my own eyes, so don't ask me to, and don't pretend that asking me not to say it is what is going help end racism. I think those people are lazy because the same Hardee's with the same help wanted sign in the window has been in the center of town since I moved here.

The thing is that the topic of racism is far more complicated than "why can't we all just get along", because there are pocket cultures wherein the stereotypes we use to fuel that anger are actually truthfull. There are some bad cops or bad departments of cops who probably don't value the life of a a black person as much as a white person and frankly I understand when a black person says "well I can't tell a bad cop from a good one just by looking at them". Likewise, there are places in this country, in my town, where a white persons fears of a black man, who chooses to look like a thug are in fact justified. Both situations are analogous to when you're hunting in the woods and come up on a snake. In that instant in which you see the snake there is no "oh, that's just a kingsnake (good snake)", or "wow, that's a cotton mouth (bad snake)", in that first instant there is just "Yikes, a snake" and I'm not so sure that it's fair to call that racism. Not all snakes are bad snakes and not all snakes are good snakes, but until you have the chance to figure out what snake you're about to step on, you're probably going to err to the conservative. When it's your children who are about to step on the snake you're probably going to really err to the conservative. Racism is what you choose to do after that. It's a decision you make to kill anything you see in the woods that's not like you using the excuse that some snakes are bad snakes and that doing so is necessary for your survival... and it works both ways. You can usually tell a real racist because the hate comes first. A true racist will use fear to justify their hate whereas others will hate as a result of fear.

About a year and a half ago something happened in South Carolina. A young (white) man by the name of Dylan Roof, walked into a black church in downtown Charleston during a Wednesday night bible study, prayed with some of the congregation, and then stood up and shot nine of those (black) people dead. By that time I was working in Charleston, so I also felt as if I was a part of this community and I can tell you that for a day or so it was like first seeing the snake. Everyone, black and white, just sort of froze in shock about what had just happened and terror about what would happen next. There had just been riots in Baltimore and Fergison and I think most expected the same thing to happen here. Understand, this wasn't some punk kid who had just robbed a convenient store and was trying to take a police man's gun, these were amazing Christians who had gathered in love to study God's word. I can't say as I would blame the black community in Charleston if they would have gone ham on the city, but instead something else happened, the families of the victims got on TV and started talking about forgiveness.



And in an instant, every preconceived notion that I had previously developed living in Bamberg, every fear, every resentment, simply fell away and I felt nothing but sorrow for those families. I think it made a lot of other people,feel the same way, because we didn't ever have any riots. We were just ALL profoundly sad for a few days, all went to church together, all cried together, and then all walked across the Ravenel Bridge together. They say that God can use even the most horrific events to bring about love and I think that's very true because Dylan Roof tried to put a wedge in between the races in Charleston and the result is that we pulled closer together. I can't find it now, but I was reading through this thread the other day and read one post which said that in order for people to come together they need to have a common enemy. I think there is some wisdom in that, because I think it's what happened in Charleston. The enemy was't a race, the devide wasn't between black and white, it was between decent people and evil and most of us realized that there really is only one enemy.

Anyway, I'm sure that's enough out of me. Thank you for allowing me the format to sort this stuff out. (In my own head at least, even if no one else makes it this far)

Oh, one more thing... This is what's happening in Bamberg this week:


Please keep our little town in your prayers because given where we live and that with this incident garnering more and more public attention that we're really just one Bubba getting a snout full and going out looking for country justice away from a race war in downtown Bamberg
 
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The best solution is to separate the races. That is the only way to resolve all the bickering. Many people think that coming together as one will fix the problem, but that has already been done, and look at the results: hate crimes, destruction of cultures, Islamic invasion of Europe, etc. Contrary to popular opinion, it is actually separation that will bring peace and harmony to our world.

[Acts 17:26] ...and hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation...

Now before you label me a racist biggot, please consider something here. The above passage states that God made one blood (not one race), and all nations (races). Why would God even bother making different nations if he believed every human should be one race? Would he have just made us look all the same if that were the case? I am not saying that one race is superior to another, but races are very natural created by God and should be recognized and respected. There is evidence that different races are better adapted in certain climates than others, that there are differences in IQ levels and behaviors, etc. If you don't agree and would rather believe race is nothing more than a social construct, than you mind as well say it is a sin, for example, for a Chinese man to recognize himself as Chinese and to be proud of his heritage—that it is a sin to recognize the nature in which God created you.

The notion that we are all one race from Adam is straight up ridiculous. You mind as well say that God is a hypocrite for telling the Israelites not to mix with the Canaanites, Jebusites, etc. Jesus himself labeled Canaanites as "dogs" (Matthew 15:26). So yeah, it is not Biblical to believe that we are all one.

I recommend 8 oz of brisket to cure that thought.
 
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Well, clearly there's nobody singing Kumbaya here.

Ironically, most people think "Kumbaya" is a song sung in utopia, when it's actually precisely the opposite. "Kumbaya" is a Gullah dialect phrase that means "come by here."

So we really ought to be singing "Kumbaya" around here.

Come by here Lord Come by here
Come by here, oh
Come by here Lord Come by here
Come by here

Somebody needs You Lord Come by here
Come by here, oh
Somebody needs You Lord Come by here
Come by here

Somebody's praying Lord Come by here
Come by here, oh
Somebody's praying Lord Come by here
Come by here

Oh Lord, oh Lord, oh Lord
Come by here
Oh Lord, Lord Come by here

I need a blessing Lord Come by here
Come by here, oh
I need a blessing Lord Come by here
Come by here

I need a miracle Come by here
Come by here, oh
I need a miracle Come by here
Come by here

Oh Lord, oh Lord, oh Lord
Come by here
Oh Lord, Lord Come by here

Oh Lord, oh Lord, oh Lord
Come by here
Oh Lord, Lord

Shower down on me
Shower down on me
I need You to shower down on me
Lord I'm down here praying
Lord I need a blessing
 
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Where did I say anything hateful? You just bore false witness against me. (...)

You're assuming that I'm promoting superiority. Promoting the consciousness of race is a separate idea than saying one race is superior to another. All I said was that races and cultures need to be respected. How to you use that to conclude that I'm judging people based on race? (...)

Again, look at the results: the Arab invasion of Europe is destroying European culture, we have racial hate crimes (black on white), etc. etc. Open your eyes and look around. That's clearly not the solution.

STOP SPREADING HATRED MountainPine. We are all sons and daughters of ADAM. PERIOD!
 
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Far side of the moon im only mad at the white people and blacks and everything else in between for falling into the system. No excuse in this day and age. White people need to understand that blacks should NOT ASSIMILATE. Especially in a country that they didn't bother assimilating too themselves. White folks need to stop acting like america was built on christian principles when there was nothing christian about this country and you can see that for yourself everyday. It's embarrassing to call it so. To me, it shows we have nothing better to build ourselves on. Everyone says god bless america while I say god please save america. We have 2 nominees that are liars and looks at us as fools. Both trying to strike fear in our hearts to persuae us instead of being civil. They both love talking about race problems to get to us all. We should talk about it but there is a better way of going about the situation. We live in a country where when there is a black issue, the only person white people know of is MLK. The peacefull protestor that the FBI killed. Saying he would be disappointed if he was here knowing good and well he'd change his thoughts if he never died from that gun shot. Not to long before he died MLK said, I feel like I'm integrating my people into a burning building. What does that mean to you all?
 
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Then there's black people being the problem of feeling like they have to not be themselves around people different from them. Our hair is not straight. Our afro and braids are fine. Black people need to read more on truth instead of being angry at life and white people. Everyone needs to love themselves.
 
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The real issue is that America has race relation issues and it is a problem and there should be some solutions.
USA blacks feel that some compensation for the damage done is in order. Perhaps if the USA government addressed this issue via using some of its present foreign Aid money to resolve it, a lot of the tension might be significantly reduced.
 
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Then there's black people being the problem of feeling like they have to not be themselves around people different from them. Our hair is not straight. Our afro and braids are fine. Black people need to read more on truth instead of being angry at life and white people. Everyone needs to love themselves.
Afro American anger isn't directed only at USA and other whites. It is also directed at immigrant groups composed of all races whom they perceive as seriously interfering with their progress via accepting lower wages and benefiting from programs which blacks feel that they were the ones who fought to make possible.
 
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Afro American anger isn't directed only at USA and other whites. It is also directed at immigrant groups composed of all races whom they perceive as seriously interfering with their progress via accepting lower wages and benefiting from programs which blacks feel that they were the ones who fought to make possible.

I'm not sure if I heard of this one before. I do know that some blacks would like reparations. I read that it would generations for USA to make up for what they did. I forgot the exact number but it was at an unbelievable figure. But 400 years a slave is unbelievable too. I personally don't want any white guilt or white tears. I just want respect. I think if blacks had that a lot of us would feel better. There was a really nice black wallstreet back in 1920s. You never hear about that. Black business were very successful and everything but then white folks bomb the area killing thousands.

Here's the article. It's so sad and these situations back then and now makes blacks feel they can't move forward. It was also the government that put Crack and other drugs in black neighborhoods.

http://sfbayview.com/2011/02/what-happened-to-black-wall-street-on-june-1-1921/
 
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STOP SPREADING HATRED MountainPine. We are all sons and daughters of ADAM. PERIOD!

Explain how promoting consciousness of race is spreading hatred, especially after I explained that it wasn't. STOP BEARING FALSE WITNESS! You know what? Nevermind. You're a troll.
 
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I'm not sure if I heard of this one before. I do know that some blacks would like reparations. I read that it would generations for USA to make up for what they did. I forgot the exact number but it was at an unbelievable figure. But 400 years a slave is unbelievable too. I personally don't want any white guilt or white tears. I just want respect. I think if blacks had that a lot of us would feel better. There was a really nice black wallstreet back in 1920s. You never hear about that. Black business were very successful and everything but then white folks bomb the area killing thousands.

Here's the article. It's so sad and these situations back then and now makes blacks feel they can't move forward. It was also the government that put Crack and other drugs in black neighborhoods.

http://sfbayview.com/2011/02/what-happened-to-black-wall-street-on-june-1-1921/
That is just the point. The misconception is one in which USA Afro Americans focus only on the USA Anglo white people as their adversaries. But if you travel to Miami, you will find a very strong antagonistic situation between the black community there and the Cuban American community based on both envy for Cuban American success and based on actual discriminatory behavior from both sides.

If you travel to the Southwest, in such areas as Los Angeles, you will find a very antagonistic situation between the Mexican American community and the Afro American community there which often includes violence. This is based on competition for jobs and federal government resources.

There is also antagonism between the Korean American community there and the Afro American community for similar reasons to the ones just mentioned. When riots break out over perceived or actual social injustices, such as the one involving Rodney king, such Korean communities come under attack.

Sometimes the antagonism of the black community can be based on a feeling of superiority over a certain immigrant group which is considered to be socially undesirable. Such is the general view concerning Haitians who arrive in Miami and are socially marginalized and considered persona's non grata due to cultural and linguistic difference.

So the view that the antagonism is limited to Afro Americans vs. USA Anglo whites is a misperception.
 
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This is true, I remember reading up on a slave's narrative ...his name started with an O, Olamide? Idk..anyway he compared and contrasted his experience working as a slave for his own people and Europeans. Africans treated him more humanely while Europeans were more brutal.
The brutality of the Europeans was mostly made notorious by Anglo system of slavery which treated slaves as mere property without any human rights. The Spaniards, Portuguese, had laws which regulated slavery and prevented such abuses. For example, it was illegal to separate family members from each other for the sake of profit as was the case in the USA. The slave also had free time to work and earn and save money to buy his own freedom.
 
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Explain how promoting consciousness of race is spreading hatred, especially after I explained that it wasn't. STOP BEARING FALSE WITNESS! You know what? Nevermind. You're a troll.

The problem is that anything can be tagged as racism.
Racism has to be define in order for an intelligent discussion to occur.
 
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This is a myth. The owners of media are White Anglo Saxon Protestants. The Krupps Bilderburgs etc.

If you don't mind me asking, what white nationalist organization doyou belong to?
The whole USA society idea that Jews are a race which excludes all other races is a myth.
 
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