(moved) "RACE" IS AN ARTIFICIAL SOCIAL CONSTRUCT.

Dave-W · Sep 7, 2016

The Ascetic Crusader said:
There is no such thing as race. There are no "breeds" of human beings. Race is an artificial construct invented by SLAVE MASTERS in order to create better, more obedient SLAVES. Dont believe me? Ask Hitler.
As a Catholic/Christian I believe in HUMANKIND: The sons and daughters of Adam.

So you are saying that the FIRST slaves brought to North America by the Brits (the Irish) were considered a separate "race?"

Dave-W · Sep 7, 2016

The Ascetic Crusader said:
Denotes? Quote me the word "RACE" or "RACISM" in the Bible

Romans 9:3 NIV For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race,

Like I said, stop spreading lies. RACE and RACISM are evil social constructs of absolutely NO SOCIAL, SCIENTIFIC or RELIGIOUS VALUE.

You keep saying that like a mantra.

BORING

MountainPine · Sep 7, 2016

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you prove what is that good and well-pleasing and perfect desire of Elohim. Romans 12:2

Multiculturalism and unity is the way of the world, because it is what the world is pushing for their one world government and religion. If you believe we're all one, then you may as well just support homosexuality too, because it's the same thing basically. Multiculturalism is on the same bandwagon with gay tolerance. Multiculturalist Christians are not Christians at all.

The Portuguese Baptist · Sep 7, 2016

MountainPine said:
Multiculturalism and unity is the way of the world, because it is what the world is pushing for their one world government and religion. If you believe we're all one, then you may as well just support homosexuality too, because it's the same thing basically. Multiculturalism is on the same bandwagon with gay tolerance. Multiculturalist Christians are not Christians at all.

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Where did that come from? How on Earth can you say that ‘multiculturalism’ and ‘pushing for one government and religion’ are the same thing? Who is pushing for one government? Which country leaders have ever said that they were willing to abdicate the sovereignty of their states in favour of one world government? And who is pushing for one religion? Which of the Western democracies have ever declared that they want to abolish the principle of freedom of religion and merge all religions into one?

And how does homosexuality have anything to do with it? How does accepting other races have anything to do with accepting homosexuality? Unless, of course, you are implying that belonging to another race is itself sinful, just like homosexuality is! Is this it? Are you suggesting that belonging to a different race from you is sinful? If not, then how can you compare acceptance of homosexuality with multiculturalism?

Finally, why can I not be a multiculturalist Christian? Where does the Bible warn against accepting other races like our own?

Rahmemhotep · Sep 7, 2016

There is indeed only one race of humans. Watch this video starting at 4:00

98cwitr · Sep 7, 2016

Agreed. There is only one race with many different skin pigmentation and variations.

disciple1 · Sep 7, 2016

The Ascetic Crusader said:
There is no such thing as race. There are no "breeds" of human beings. Race is an artificial construct invented by SLAVE MASTERS in order to create better, more obedient SLAVES. Dont believe me? Ask Hitler.

As a Catholic/Christian I believe in HUMANKIND: The sons and daughters of Adam.

Thoughts?

Just thought I'd add this.
Acts chapter 17 verse 26
26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands.

greenguzzi · Sep 7, 2016

MountainPine said:
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you prove what is that good and well-pleasing and perfect desire of Elohim. Romans 12:2

Multiculturalism and unity is the way of the world, because it is what the world is pushing for their one world government and religion.

That's the a pretty good misuse of scripture, and at the same time a impressive misstating of world affairs.

MountainPine · Sep 7, 2016

The Portuguese Baptist said:
Who is pushing for one government?

Pope Francis, Queen Elizabeth II, David Rockefeller, all the Rothschilds.... you know... the Illuminati, the "powers that be," the ones who worship Satan and have souled their souls for world domination. (Matthew 4:8-9). Wake up.

The Portuguese Baptist said:
And how does homosexuality have anything to do with it?

Promoting tolerance and acceptance for one or more particular groups (such as race) leads to the promotion of tolerance for all groups (such as all religions, sexualities, etc.). That is how multiculturalism works. The world defines the LBGT community as a culture. I have known many multiculturalist Christians who also promote tolerance for homosexuals. There are even gay Christians out there.

The Portuguese Baptist said:
Where does the Bible warn against accepting other races like our own?

Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee. Leviticus 19:19

(“Field” is a reference to descended offspring, and “garment mingled of linen of wollen” (other versions say “clothing mixed with two kinds of material”) refers to a person who is a hybrid of two different races.)

But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I am the Lord your God, which have separated you from other people. Leviticus 20:24

And Israel abode in [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab. And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods. And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel. Numbers 25:1-4

And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the Lord be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly. Deuteronomy 7:2-4

Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled. Deuteronomy 22:9

A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord. Deuteronomy 23:2

(Where “bastard” in the KJV is used in this passage, the Hebrew is מַמְזֵר or “mamzer,” which means “mongrel race” in this context. The Greek Septuagint (LXX) uses “allogenes,” which is a combination of two Greek words, "allos" meaning other, and "genos" meaning race.)

And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Hivites, and Jebusites: And they took their daughters to be their wives, and gave their daughters to their sons, and served their gods. And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the Lord, and forgat the Lord their God, and served Baalim and the groves. Judges 3:5-7

And the seed of Israel separated themselves from all strangers, and stood and confessed their sins, and the iniquities of their fathers. Nehemiah 9:2

And the rest of the people, the priests, the Levites, the porters, the singers, the Nethinims, and all they that had separated themselves from the people of the lands unto the law of God, their wives, their sons, and their daughters, every one having knowledge, and having understanding... Nehemiah 10:28

Now it came to pass, when they had heard the law, that they separated from Israel all the mixed multitude. Nehemiah 13:3

MountainPine · Sep 7, 2016

greenguzzi said:
That's the a pretty good misuse of scripture, and at the same time a impressive misstating of world affairs.

Whatever dude. I don't take anyone seriously who insists that humans are born sinful.

greenguzzi · Sep 7, 2016

MountainPine said:
Whatever dude. I don't take anyone seriously who insists that humans are born sinful.

You don't take Luther seriously?

Actually I'm not sure if humans are born sinful, it's a complex subject.
Besides I don't mind whether you take me seriously or not, I'm not posting for your benefit.

MountainPine · Sep 7, 2016

greenguzzi said:
You don't take Luther seriously?

Actually I'm not sure if humans are born sinful, it's a complex subject.
Besides I don't mind whether you take me seriously or not, I'm not posting for your benefit.

...I suppose you believe Martin Luther was right about every thing? Why don't you think for yourself and stop relying on one man for your source of truth. I admire Luther for standing up against the harlot of Babylon, but he still clinged on to a lot of Catholic doctrine.

rturner76 · Sep 7, 2016

MountainPine said:
Pope Francis, Queen Elizabeth II, David Rockefeller, all the Rothschilds.... you know... the Illuminati, the "powers that be," the ones who worship Satan and have souled their souls for world domination. (Matthew 4:8-9). Wake up.

Promoting tolerance and acceptance for one or more particular groups (such as race) leads to the promotion of tolerance for all groups (such as all religions, sexualities, etc.). That is how multiculturalism works. The world defines the LBGT community as a culture. I have known many multiculturalist Christians who also promote tolerance for homosexuals. There are even gay Christians out there.

Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee. Leviticus 19:19

(“Field” is a reference to descended offspring, and “garment mingled of linen of wollen” (other versions say “clothing mixed with two kinds of material”) refers to a person who is a hybrid of two different races.)

But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I am the Lord your God, which have separated you from other people. Leviticus 20:24

And Israel abode in [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab. And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods. And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel. Numbers 25:1-4

And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the Lord be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly. Deuteronomy 7:2-4

Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled. Deuteronomy 22:9

A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord. Deuteronomy 23:2

(Where “bastard” in the KJV is used in this passage, the Hebrew is מַמְזֵר or “mamzer,” which means “mongrel race” in this context. The Greek Septuagint (LXX) uses “allogenes,” which is a combination of two Greek words, "allos" meaning other, and "genos" meaning race.)

And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Hivites, and Jebusites: And they took their daughters to be their wives, and gave their daughters to their sons, and served their gods. And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the Lord, and forgat the Lord their God, and served Baalim and the groves. Judges 3:5-7

And the seed of Israel separated themselves from all strangers, and stood and confessed their sins, and the iniquities of their fathers. Nehemiah 9:2

And the rest of the people, the priests, the Levites, the porters, the singers, the Nethinims, and all they that had separated themselves from the people of the lands unto the law of God, their wives, their sons, and their daughters, every one having knowledge, and having understanding... Nehemiah 10:28

Now it came to pass, when they had heard the law, that they separated from Israel all the mixed multitude. Nehemiah 13:3

So you are an Israelite then? I've heard of some of a certain political leaning tht believe this of themselves. Enjoy the old covenant and all the laws you must obey (116 or something I don't know) It would be hard for me to keep Kosher, I like to eat and drink a lot of different things together.

I'm so glad I'm under the new covenant with Jesus Christ as my savior. In the new covenant, we go by the something called The New Testament where it says in Galatians

3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Romans 3:22-24

even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;

Romans 2:11

I take comfort in that

greenguzzi · Sep 7, 2016

MountainPine said:
I suppose you believe Martin Luther was right about every thing?

I have no idea. I didn't even know if Luther held to the doctrine of original sin, I had to look it up. I only mentioned him because you made a song and dance about me being a "protestant"; he being the most famous protestant and all.

Also, I have already said that I'm not sure if I agree with the doctrine of original sin; so I don't quite see what point you are trying to make by asking whether I believe that "Martin Luther was right about everything". You're asking a question I have already answered.

I get the impression that you are trying hard to disrespect me and my beliefs, without actually knowing what I believe. Are you always this contrary?

MountainPine said:
Why don't you think for yourself [...]

I do.

MountainPine · Sep 7, 2016

rturner76 said:
I'm so glad I'm under the new covenant with Jesus Christ as my savior. In the new covenant, we go by the something called The New Testament where it says in Galatians

What about Matthew 5:17-18 ? The new covenant is nothing more than the reestablishment of the old one written in our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33). The Law was never done away with.

I'm going to share with you a discussion I had with someone on ReligiousForums.com. This was his argument (quoting Galatians):

Galatians 3:10: “All who depend on the observance of the Law… are under a curse.”
5:2: “If you have yourself circumcised, Christ will be of no use to you.”
5:4 “Any of you who seek your justification in the Law have severed yourself from Christ and fallen from God’s favor.”
6:15: “It means nothing whether you are circumcised or not.”

This was my response:

No, the Galatians passage says "All who depend on the works of the Law...." ἔργων (ergon) means "works" or "deeds" not "observance". What translation are you quoting from? Paul backs up his argument by quoting from Deuteronomy 27:26: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all that has been written in the book of the Torah, to do them.” Obviously one who depends on the works of the Law is one who is going through the motions—those only concerned about circumcision, dietary restrictions, Sabbath/Feast observances, ritual sacrifices, etc. and ignoring the more important things like loving your neighbor as yourself, thou shall not kill, etc. Christ got onto the Pharisees about this, saying that they "ignore the weightier matters of the Law." (Matthew 23:23) and they "reject the commandments of God for their own tradition" (Mark 7:9). The Pharisees are an example of people who depend on the works of the Law, but those who obey the Law in full are the ones with the faith. Faith is defined as expecting that God will do as he promised in return for our full obedience. (see Hebrews 5:8-9) If you are circumcised but are disobedient, then your circumcision means nothing. Abraham was rewarded because he obeyed God, therefore the true covenant of Abraham is obedience. Circumcision is only an outward expression of it. If you consider the tone of language that Paul was using to write to the Galatians, you can tell that he was displeased with them and was telling them off for disobedience.

Paul never did away with the Law either. There is much evidence in scripture to prove this:

Paul always kept the Sabbath (Acts 17:1, Acts 18:4)
Paul kept the Feasts (Acts 20:6, Acts 20:16)
Paul instructed us to keep the Feasts (1 Corinthians 5:7-8)
Paul believed all of the Torah (Acts 24:14)
Paul stated that we establish the Torah (Romans 3:31)
Paul taught from the Torah (Acts 28:23)
Paul obeyed the Torah (Acts 21:24, Romans 7:25)
Paul took delight in the Torah (Romans 7:22)
Paul said the Torah is holy (Romans 7:12)
Paul said the Torah is spiritual (Romans 7:14)
Paul said not to judge anyone observing the Torah (Colossians 2:16-17)
Paul said that doers of the Torah are justified (Romans 2:13)
Paul said teachers who break the Torah dishonor Yahweh and blaspheme His name (Romans 2:21-24)
Paul said we learn what sin is from the Torah (Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7)
Paul taught that being under grace is not a license to break the Torah (Romans 6:15)

rturner76 said:
So you are an Israelite then? I've heard of some of a certain political leaning tht believe this of themselves. Enjoy the old covenant and all the laws you must obey (116 or something I don't know) It would be hard for me to keep Kosher, I like to eat and drink a lot of different things together.

Nope, it is not hard (Deuteronomy 30:11)

Here is a little wisdom for you:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord. Psalm 119:1

Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth. Psalm 119:142

The law of the wise is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death. Proverbs 13:14

Just so you know, most of what Jesus said he quoted from the Old Testament, especially from Deuteronomy.

rturner76 · Sep 7, 2016

MountainPine said:
What about Matthew 5:17-18 ? The new covenant is nothing more than the reestablishment of the old one written in our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33). The Law was never done away with.

I'm going to share with you a discussion I had with someone on ReligiousForums.com. This was his argument (quoting Galatians):

Galatians 3:10: “All who depend on the observance of the Law… are under a curse.”
5:2: “If you have yourself circumcised, Christ will be of no use to you.”
5:4 “Any of you who seek your justification in the Law have severed yourself from Christ and fallen from God’s favor.”
6:15: “It means nothing whether you are circumcised or not.”

This was my response:

No, the Galatians passage says "All who depend on the works of the Law...." ἔργων (ergon) means "works" or "deeds" not "observance". What translation are you quoting from? Paul backs up his argument by quoting from Deuteronomy 27:26: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all that has been written in the book of the Torah, to do them.” Obviously one who depends on the works of the Law is one who is going through the motions—those only concerned about circumcision, dietary restrictions, Sabbath/Feast observances, ritual sacrifices, etc. and ignoring the more important things like loving your neighbor as yourself, thou shall not kill, etc. Christ got onto the Pharisees about this, saying that they "ignore the weightier matters of the Law." (Matthew 23:23) and they "reject the commandments of God for their own tradition" (Mark 7:9). The Pharisees are an example of people who depend on the works of the Law, but those who obey the Law in full are the ones with the faith. Faith is defined as expecting that God will do as he promised in return for our full obedience. (see Hebrews 5:8-9) If you are circumcised but are disobedient, then your circumcision means nothing. Abraham was rewarded because he obeyed God, therefore the true covenant of Abraham is obedience. Circumcision is only an outward expression of it. If you consider the tone of language that Paul was using to write to the Galatians, you can tell that he was displeased with them and was telling them off for disobedience.

Paul never did away with the Law either. There is much evidence in scripture to prove this:

Paul always kept the Sabbath (Acts 17:1, Acts 18:4)
Paul kept the Feasts (Acts 20:6, Acts 20:16)
Paul instructed us to keep the Feasts (1 Corinthians 5:7-8)
Paul believed all of the Torah (Acts 24:14)
Paul stated that we establish the Torah (Romans 3:31)
Paul taught from the Torah (Acts 28:23)
Paul obeyed the Torah (Acts 21:24, Romans 7:25)
Paul took delight in the Torah (Romans 7:22)
Paul said the Torah is holy (Romans 7:12)
Paul said the Torah is spiritual (Romans 7:14)
Paul said not to judge anyone observing the Torah (Colossians 2:16-17)
Paul said that doers of the Torah are justified (Romans 2:13)
Paul said teachers who break the Torah dishonor Yahweh and blaspheme His name (Romans 2:21-24)
Paul said we learn what sin is from the Torah (Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7)
Paul taught that being under grace is not a license to break the Torah (Romans 6:15)

Nope, it is not hard (Deuteronomy 30:11)

Here is a little wisdom for you:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord. Psalm 119:1

Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth. Psalm 119:142

The law of the wise is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death. Proverbs 13:14

Just so you know, most of what Jesus said he quoted from the Old Testament, especially from Deuteronomy.

You may follow all the Jewish laws you wish. You can also choose to be bound by the old covenant if you wish
Jeremiah 31:33, NIV. "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the Lord. "I will put My law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be My people."

I choose the new covenant
Luke 22:20, NIV. "In the same way, after the supper He took the cup, saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you."

Hebrews 7:22, NIV. "Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.

I took the liberty of boning up on some early church history so you could see how those of us who are gentiles got under the new covenant eliminating the Jewish customs in the process. Enjoy:

The mission of the 11 apostles to preach to “all the nations” (Matthew 28:19) as a “‘post-Resurrection’ idea.” After the crucifixion, the apostles began to champion a new faith in Jesus and the ranks of the Jesus movement (known as “the Way” at the time) swelled to 3,000 Jewish converts. At first, these followers were distinctly Jewish, following Mosaic law, Temple traditions and dietary customs.

Acts identifies the new members of the Jesus movement. It began around 40 C.E. with the family of the Roman centurion Cornelius in Caesarea (Acts 10). Later came the gentile members of the mixed Jewish-Greek church in Antioch (Acts 11:19–24; Galatians 2:11–14), as well as the many pagan converts of Paul in Syria, Asia Minor and Greece. With all those gentiles added to the mix, the Jewish monopoly in the new movement was over. Jewish and gentile Christianity came into play.

As gentiles joined the Jesus movement, focus on Jewish law decreased and this is when Christianity emerged as a distinct religion. Jewish Christians in Jerusalem participated in separate Jewish services from the gentile Christian population, and while the two groups agreed on Jesus’ message and importance, the separate rites and communities led to division between the groups.

The early second century Epistle of Barnabas shows a distinctly gentile Christianity in its presentation of the Hebrew Bible as allegory instead of covenantal fact. The clearly divinized Jesus in this document is distanced from the Jewish Christians and the divide between the Christian communities continued to widen over time.

After Hadrian’s suppression of the Second Jewish Revolt, the Jewish Christians quickly became a minority group in the newly established church. What emerges is the origin of Christianity as a distinctly non-Jewish religion; late in the second century, the Jewish Christians either rejoined their Jewish peers or become part of the newly gentile Christian church.

MountainPine · Sep 7, 2016

rturner76 said:
You may follow all the Jewish laws you wish. You can also choose to be bound by the old covenant if you wish
Jeremiah 31:33, NIV. "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the Lord. "I will put My law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be My people."

I choose the new covenant
Luke 22:20, NIV. "In the same way, after the supper He took the cup, saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you."

Hebrews 7:22, NIV. "Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.

You don't know what you're talking about. The passages you quoted from Luke and Hebrews are the fulfillment of Jeremiah's prophecy. The only difference between the old covenant and the new is that the former was written in stone and the latter was written in the hearts (minds) of those who live by Jesus' example.

Quoting from the ISR:

“And יהושע said to him, ‘You shall love יהוה your Elohim with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great command. And the second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself.’ On these two commands hang all the Torah and the Prophets.” Matthew 22:37-40

Loving God with all heart, being, and mind requires keeping His commandments.

“And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the commands.” Matthew 19:17

“If you love Me, you shall guard My commands.” John 14:15

“יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. “He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.” John 14:23-24

“And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Elohim has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.” 1 John 2:3-5

“Blessed are those doing His commands, so that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of life, and to enter through the gates into the city.” Revelation 22:14

Pay attention:

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete. “For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.” Matthew 5:17-18

Have heaven and earth passed away yet?

"Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens" Matthew 5:19

Oops!

The Ascetic Crusader · Sep 8, 2016

DaveW-Ohev said:
Romans 9:3 NIV For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race,
BORING

Romans 9:3 (1599 Geneva Bible (GNV))

3- "For I would wish myself to be separate from Christ, for my brethren that are my kinsmen according to the flesh,"

Stop spreading the "RACE" lie , DAVEW.

Dave-W · Sep 8, 2016

The Ascetic Crusader said:
Romans 9:3 (1599 Geneva Bible (GNV))
3- "For I would wish myself to be separate from Christ, for my brethren that are my kinsmen according to the flesh,"
Stop spreading the "RACE" lie , DAVEW.

You said that word was not found in the bible. I showed you it was.

Take it up with the translators of the NIV.

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