(moved) "RACE" IS AN ARTIFICIAL SOCIAL CONSTRUCT.

[SolomonVII]

Please quote me one single line in this study where it says kids are EVOLUTIONARILY or GENETICALLY predisposed towards this nonsense. Stop spreading the "RACE" lie SOLOMON VII.

Well, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make'm drink.
Suffice it to say that three month old babies are not using race as a means to become a slave master.
Three month old are quite happy with making their parents into their slaves.

As far as spreading the "race lie", my initial post already rejected race as a thing. But physical appearance across populations of people do exist, and that is what this kind of research is dealing with.

 

[jeager016]

You can lead a horse to water but can't make 'em THINK!
In the case of humans that ^^^ fits better.

 

[tickingclocker]

Please quote me the word "RACE" or "RACISM" in the Bible,Faithful. STOP spreading the "RACE" lie. RACE is an evil social construct created by SLAVE MASTERS to make more obedient SLAVES.

Along the same lines are "nationalities". Does God create borders of countries, or are they really human creations? Are people in one country any different than in another bordering it? Culturally, maybe so. But they are not a different "race". There is only one "race" within humanity. Human beings. To see anyone else as "different" than you is to divide what God does not want to be seen as a divide. The Jews were stone-cold guilty of such a negative mentality, by assuming they were created better than everyone else in the eyes of God, and look what happened to them for it. How often must God show us our divisions do exactly that? Divide?

 

[tickingclocker]

Well, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make'm drink.
Suffice it to say that three month old babies are not using race as a means to become a slave master.
Three month old are quite happy with making their parents into their slaves.

As far as spreading the "race lie", my initial post already rejected race as a thing. But physical appearance across populations of people do exist, and that is what this kind of research is dealing with.

Physical differences occur in families, too. Does that make everyone a separate "race" because they are different? Going by your summation, handicapped individuals should be classified as a "race" as well. How about those who lose a limb? Would they be a separate "race" as well, classified by which limb they lost? How about those with blue, green, brown eyes/hair? Or how about body type: short, tall, wide, thin? Why not go the whole nine yards with "divisional differences"? Why just stop at skin pigment?

See how silly "race" appears to be now?

I Am in them and You are in Me. May they be made completely one, so the world may know You have sent Me and have loved them as You have loved Me. (John 17:23)

 

[The Portuguese Baptist]

One could also say "that guy is tall", "that guy is blond", or "that guy is fat". Which is useful if you need to urgently identify them. But beyond that it's not much use.

You are correct in that.

Any Christian who thinks that race is a real thing needs to realise that Adam was black.

Why do you say that Adam was black?

 

[The Portuguese Baptist]

Is your skin really WHITE? Who told you it was thus? Does your "friend" agree with your assessment, Portuguese?

Yes, my skin is basically white. Granted, it is not white as snow, but no-one's skin colour is white as snow. However, my skin colour is about as white as it could possibly be; therefore, it is reasonable that I employ the term ‘white’ (as has been historically and traditionally used) to refer to it, in order to distinguish it, if necessary, from my friend's skin colour, which is much closer to black.

Yes, my friend (without quotes, because he is truly my friend) agrees with my assessment: it is the result of a process called ‘visual identification’, meaning that it is possible for us to look at our skins and conclude that mine is white and his is black. If you have a problem in utilising a similar process in order to identify colour, it may be better for you to go see a doctor.

 

[Near]

Yes, my skin is basically white. Granted, it is not white as snow, but no-one's skin colour is white as snow. However, my skin colour is about as white as it could possibly be; therefore, it is reasonable that I employ the term ‘white’ (as has been historically and traditionally used) to refer to it, in order to distinguish it, if necessary, from my friend's skin colour, which is much closer to black.

Yes, my friend (without quotes, because he is truly my friend) agrees with my assessment: it is the result of a process called ‘visual identification’, meaning that it is possible for us to look at our skins and conclude that mine is white and his is black. If you have a problem in utilising a similar process in order to identify colour, it may be better for you to go see a doctor.

Race is a mix of concepts about people thrown into a bucket and mixed around.
Color, origin, lineage, facial features, body types.
Look up black people with white skin. If their skin is white, like a Caucasian person's, are they still really black?
If so, then race is not defined by the color of a person's skin.

 

[SpunkyDoodle]

Sexual identification has already become the equivalent of a race. Opposition to gay marriage has been deemed to be no different than opposition to bi-racial marriage, by argument and by legal decision.

This I recognize as having happened. I was making it a ridiculous thing, as relating to RACE per se. If we can make the language your parents spoke a race identifier, we can make how you feel today a race identifier. If you can say you feel like one of a few dozen named sexual identities, those will be considered a race, and we then see the point of the OP very clearly.

 

[SolomonVII]

This I recognize as having happened. I was making it a ridiculous thing, as relating to RACE per se. If we can make the language your parents spoke a race identifier, we can make how you feel today a race identifier. If you can say you feel like one of a few dozen named sexual identities, those will be considered a race, and we then see the point of the OP very clearly.

We live in a foolish age, where what was once wisdom is now considered hate, and what is ridiculous is esteemed as profound.

The wisdom of the world is foolishness in God's eyes after all. Your reductio ab absurdem is now the law. Parody is no longer possible in the world that we inhabit. What common sense dictates as something laughable and ridiculous is deemed to be the truth.

I understood that point that you were making clearly enough, and I understand the point the OP was making clearly enough too, even if that does not entail that I need to treat my own eyes as liars.

 

[SpunkyDoodle]

We live in a foolish age, where what was once wisdom is now considered hate, and what is ridiculous is esteemed as profound.

The wisdom of the world is foolishness in God's eyes after all. Your reductio ab absurdem is now the law. Parody is no longer possible in the world that we inhabit. What common sense dictates as something laughable and ridiculous is deemed to be the truth.

I understood that point that you were making clearly enough, and I understand the point the OP was making clearly enough too, even if that does not entail that I need to treat my own eyes as liars.

Well stated. If we see this from the aspect and viewpoint of the OP, we can see it as a worldly direction of this worldly system. It is where ancient cultures began to descend, and where their slide began, that eventually caused their destruction. It is, by the way, intended to our destruction.

The BAAL system puts societies like ours on an irreversible downward spiral, that has ended in destruction of ALL, but ONE case. I am reasonably sure most here could recount the ONE nation that did not disappear after taking the downward slide with BAAL.

We can see (with a little difficulty) how the OP intended this to be an exercise in culture shock. We see the use of RACE in all its bad iterations, and we try to accommodate the term to placate the masses, but they are implacable. No amount of fairness (the world's standard, not God's) is going to satisfy this insatiable appetite for self delusion and ultimate self destruction.

 

[SpunkyDoodle]

Race is a mix of concepts about people thrown into a bucket and mixed around.
Color, origin, lineage, facial features, body types.
Look up black people with white skin. If their skin is white, like a Caucasian person's, are they still really black?
If so, then race is not defined by the color of a person's skin.

I think you are advancing the OP's point effectively with this comment. We see there is so much associated with the characteristics we inherit from our kin, but it does not do what was intended by the self-serving bigoted people that made this social construct so pervasive in this world. They have an agenda that is NOT related to making that collection of people better. In one case, this is intended as an excuse to enslave people. Other cases are excuses to kill or sterilize people. Some associate culture, that in some ways is forced or imposed upon groups of people, with that group, and equate that to the inferior/superior status they intend.

There are such excellent exceptions to these rules that I rejoice. Beyond examples from the past that we read about, we have some notable ones today. They are not unique, but they are exemplary. I speak of Chris Gardner, who by all accounts should be a terrible father and a deadbeat.

There is Herman Cain who worked at it till he had a number of successes. He turned-around large corporations and medium size companies. He was so committed to one that he bought the company, and turned it into a successful national chain.

Dr's Thomas Sowell and Walter E. Williams are standout examples for anyone to see. I love to listen to them talk, and learn so much each time I hear them.

There are many others I see, but time and space here are not likely to be sufficient for me to cite each. We can each form our own list of exceptions, proving the point of the OP in a manner that shows we have been manipulated for centuries. I am not about to say it was non-existent prior to the early 1600s, but it has been prominent since then. It is erroneous to say that some proposed measures, based on this misconception, will correct problems created by the misconception.

Forced Busing is just one example of wrong measures being employed to correct things that were caused by that same wrong thinking.

 

[greenguzzi]

Any Christian who thinks that race is a real thing needs to realise that Adam was black.

Sorry to have to ask, but where is any proof of what Adam the First looked like? I have heard the same thing in reference to others in scripture, also, without any proof that would be definitive.

Can you prove that he wasn't black?

Your reply is Not Appropriate. I did not make the claim. My post was in response to your claim. Keep this on the up & up, please.

I am more interested in what people had to say when I suggested this possibility, than I am in trying to convince anyone that it is true. However I do believe that Adam was black or brown, he certainly wasn't white.

Why do you say that Adam was black?

Genetics:
The search for the Y-mrca point to him being black/brown. Africans have the oldest and most diverse DNA. Migration patterns show that every one of us can trace our lineage back to Africa. If Adam and Eve were both Caucasian, there would be no black-or brown skinned people.

 

[SpunkyDoodle]

My only comment about that explanation has more to do with how anyone can expect to determine DNA evidence of someone 6000 years ago, most especially when there was an 8 person bottleneck about 4500 or 5000 years ago.

The suggestion you make is not bothersome, but I don't consider it accurate either. It tends only to exacerbate the whole issue. I know that paintings (fine art from 300-500 years ago) are inaccurate, and I would not argue the merits of them. Fine art though it be, it is not to be considered as being based in any fact. Mostly, there are doctrinal errors displayed in ways that promote the error being swallowed by generations of people.

I would much more likely agree that Adam the First wore a full beard, seeing there was nothing mentioned about knives or razors in the Garden of Eden. I would not likely entertain anyone trying to say what the initial created man looked like otherwise. If he had no need for clothes, he did not likely need to shave. This flies in the face of the fine art paintings that pretend to depict the first couple.

 

[greenguzzi]

My only comment about that explanation has more to do with how anyone can expect to determine DNA evidence of someone 6000 years ago, most especially when there was an 8 person bottleneck about 4500 or 5000 years ago.

Except that there is no evidence of such a small and recent bottleneck. Also it is possible for Ymrca information to survive a bottleneck.
(N.b.: I don't agree with the YE timeline.)
Also DNA evidence can go back much further than 6000 years. At least ten times that, and probably much longer.

But like I said, I'm not really interested in convincing anyone, I'd just like to see people discuss the possibility that Adam may have been black.

The rest of your post is irrelevant to the subject at hand. Although I do like the comment about Adam's beard; more proof that it's unnatural for a man to be clean shaven.

 

[Hank77]

Wouldn't it have been more helpful to know if she was Chinsese, Korean, Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese, Philippine, Cambodian, or something like that? Then you could Google her country and learn a little about her people. Asian doesn't say anything about where she is actually from.

We got around to that.

One could also say "that guy is tall", "that guy is blond", or "that guy is fat". Which is useful if you need to urgently identify them. But beyond that it's not much use.


Actually that's a good point. The race classifications are useful in identifying what people look like. But given all the baggage the race classifications carry, it might be best just to send a photograph. (That's what I would expect of my kids; I'd be a bit worried if my kids mentioned their new partner's "race" when telling me about them.)

We are all humans. I'm not sure but I think she may have been worried about what we would think and needed to be reassured by hearing our response for herself.
Sorry you would be worried if your kids mentioned that their friend was of a different ethnicity. Our family is very diverse so it is just natural for us to be interested in that sort of thing.

 

[greenguzzi]

Why would my son need to worry about baggage of 'race', when he knows his own family and our attitudes?

That's fair enough, every family has its own ways.
A while ago my daughter told me she was seeing someone. She told me that he's from Uganda because she though that was interesting and relevant. She didn't mention that he was black, because that's not particularly interesting or relevant. But like I say, all families are different.

 

[The Ascetic Crusader]

It is erroneous to say that some proposed measures, based on this misconception (RACE), will correct problems created by the misconception.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[AlexDTX]

There is no such thing as race. There are no "breeds" of human beings. Race is an artificial construct invented by SLAVE MASTERS in order to create better, more obedient SLAVES. Dont believe me? Ask Hitler.

As a Catholic/Christian I believe in HUMANKIND: The sons and daughters of Adam.

Thoughts?

I think you are spot on, Ascetic. Most of what I have seen in this thread are comments on different aspects of ethnicity. No one is talking about the Slave Masters. Who are the Slave Masters? They are the true racists. They think they are superior beings and look down on others as inferior. They are the filthy rich who became wealthy by legal and illegal means. They use the law for their own gain, bribing congressman to make laws beneficial to themselves. Who are they? They are the elite cabal that control the media, governments, the banks, and our military.

They believe that the population needs to be reduced and the inferior breeds of humanity weeded out. They began the abortion industry with the intention of diminishing the black population. They create wars for their profit, financing both sides, with the benefit of reducing the "cannon fodder". They want to force vaccinations on everyone as though it is to help mankind. Yet, if they really worked, what does it matter if they are vaccinated and we are not? Won't they be protected? Instead autism and other diseases are the result of vaccinations. They want homosexual marriage and behavior increased since they can not procreate. They get the further benefit of population reduction as homosexuals die of AIDS and are inflicted with other STDs. They want adultery and immorality so families disintegrate and offspring turn their loyalties to global governance. These are the true racists. Their names are as familiar as street signs, kitchen seasonings, and more.

Yes Ascetic, they promote the artificial construct of race as a tool to destroy mankind.

 

[RDKirk]

There's an Israeli company who actually did profile analysis (including the use of machine learning analysis) of different people and found that behavior/personality is closely linked with facial features. Since facial features are also associated with race, it's hard to deny that qualities of people are also linked with race.

Behavior/personality is also closely linked with nurturing and experience, so all a "profile analysis" like that will show is the result of a myriad of factors affecting a particular race in a particular culture.

So what did that Israeli company have to say about the personality differences between Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews?

 

[timewerx]

Behavior/personality is also closely linked with nurturing and experience, so all a "profile analysis" like that will show is the result of a myriad of factors affecting a particular race in a particular culture.

Since you mentioned the word "experience", indeed, overtime our faces change. The change in our faces may as well be reflecting the changes in our personality due to factors including experience.

So what did that Israeli company have to say about the personality differences between Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews?

I don't know, they did not release that kind of details yet. They only explained a bit of the science behind face analysis and the correlations with behavior/personality using statistical analysis/machine learning of faces of many people against their personal profiles.

They probably had access to classified intelligence files as their app was being considered by Homeland Security. They even conducted a test when given test photos, it was able to identify known terrorists with 90% accuracy despite the app having zero prior knowledge of the info regarding the terrorists. The app simply predicted whether an individual had terrorist potential from simply analyzing facial features.

In short, the app can discern highly potential terrorist, even if the person have absolutely no records anywhere. It scored an average 80% accuracy on a wide variety of subjects, not just for finding terrorists, but also finding gifted individuals.

80% is pretty darn good. If you guessed something right consistently 80% or more using a very large sample, you'll certainly be classified having supernatural gifts like ESP. But we're talking of a machine where it had established a pattern and thus, there's really something with our faces.