[MOVED] No christian should support BLM because it is anti-christian, marxist and promotes LGBT.

[Michie]

Good grief.

 

[Quartermaine]

Comparing MLK to BLM is a false comparison.

then why is BLM being attacked and vilified with exactly the same rhetoric that MLK was a generation ago?

 

[Hazelelponi]

1) Social justice is not antithetical to the Christian faith, the whole concept of social justice in the western world is a product of both Jewish and Christian (i.e. biblical) moral teaching.

2) If anything associated with Marxism/Socialism/etc is to be eschewed, then I guess that includes the pledge of allegiance, which was written and promulgated by an anti-Capitalist Socialist, Francis Bellamy.

-CryptoLutheran

Justice is very much predicated upon the Judeo/Christian faiths, but social justice, as the movement defines itself, is most definitely antithetical to all Christianity is and stands for...

In justice we find the perpetrator of a crime and punish him. Social justice is the state redistribution of advantages and resources to disadvantaged groups to satisfy their right social and economic equality. We could go on and on, but there's no point.

Social justice is evil being paraded as something good simply because they included the word justice.

This should help you understand better:

 

[BNR32FAN]

Same logic can be applied to BLM movement .. just because “few bad apples” vandalize and take up violence doesn’t mean entire movement is wrong.

It is when the GROUP FOUNDERS openly admit to being Marxists. Did you see the video I posted of BLM going to that church? Let me know if you see any BLM members opposing what they were doing because I didn’t see any of them opposing them. Nor have I seen any sort of disapproval from the BLM leadership in this case.

 

[Quartermaine]

Wow I don’t know how you came to that assumption based on what the poster said. You said that some Christians opposes Martin Luther and the poster replied that many supported him. So how do you come to the conclusion that this person was implying that BLM needs a Christian to support them to justify its cause? No if a Christian supports them then they’re making a mistake. Here take a look for yourself at how BLM treats Christians.

and how is this different from how Christians treat BLM?

 

[grasping the after wind]

It insults you??? The comparison is true to those who remember.

The comparison is false to anyone willing to be objective.

 

[Quartermaine]

It is when the GROUP FOUNDERS openly admit to being Marxists. Did you see the video I posted of BLM going to that church? Let me know if you see any BLM members opposing what they were doing because I didn’t see any of them opposing them. Nor have I seen any sort of disapproval from the BLM leadership in this case.

is it the same church that teaches that black people are both savages and cursed by God to be subservient for God's chosen people?

 

[grasping the after wind]

then why is BLM being attacked and vilified with exactly the same rhetoric that MLK was a generation ago?

It isn't . It is being attacked for openly advocating for Marxism and being led by Marxists. MLK was accused of being a secret Marxist. BTW the people that were attacking MLK are not around anymore.

 

[Silmarien]

Well the BLM group itself was started by four LGBT woman who are quoted as saying "We are trained Marxists". They say they are for LGBT black lives mattering. When you read their site they are not for christian values at all. The want to "tear down" the system of men's roles. On their site they never talk about men at all in a good way, the few times men are mentioned is when they put them down.

LGBT black lives do matter.

I think it's the business of the LGBT movement (to the extent that it hasn't imploded), rather than BLM, to focus on LGBT lives, but the statement itself is not false.

I agree that they're not for Christian values, though.

 

[Sparagmos]

It's best to never use the mantra' s of Marxist organisations, or anything that is associated with social justice, which as movements and ideals are antithetical to the Christian faith.

Of course black lives matter to any Christian, as in Christ we are all part of the same body, that is, the body of Christ. But that is not what BLM means when they say the words, and it's best to distance ourselves in mantra from political organizations and movements that aren't centered in Christ.

Our mantra as Christians is that Jesus is Lord and Savior.

Race is meaningless in Christ... and social justice antithetical to our way of thinking.

Speak for yourself. Social justice is a big part of a lot of Christians’ faith and practice.

Reverend William Barber is one I get a lot of inspiration from.

 

[Sparagmos]

Well that’s nice but there were many Christians that supported MLK. Associating MLK with BLM is insulting. There is no comparison. At all.

And many Christians support BLM.

 

[Michie]

And many Christians support BLM.

All Christians should support the fact that black lives do matter. Just not the org.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Speak for yourself. Social justice is a big part of a lot of Christians’ faith and practice.

Reverend William Barber is one I get a lot of inspiration from.

There's a huge difference between giving in Christian charity and state redistribution of advantages and resources to groups who someone somewhere has determined to be disadvantaged.

When your doing this, your basing everything on group, not on qualifications, on merit, on character, on work. Whether boy x or boy b gets into college? Now based on ethnic group rather than testing and ability. Whether girl a or b gets a job? Op.. again based on group not on qualifications and ability.

Whenever the most important feature is what group you belong to, and character, ability and determination means nothing, your perpetrating injustice upon people.. not justice.

What is just is deciding college admissions based on test scores and merit, deciding a new hire based on qualifications and ability. That is just.

Saying every resource gained by every individual in group A has been gained unjustly because group a is an advantaged group so group b can take from group a all they like is unjust.

There is no justice to be found in social justice, it's evil. It's every totalitarian state in history. It's how you end up shipping people off to gas chambers in cattle cars... because of the group they belong to, because they have the determined wrong ethnic background.

This is why identity politics is evil. Everything about this is evil. Any pastor pushing it has no idea who Christ is.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

All Christians should support the fact that black lives do matter. Just not the org.

Yet you give any support to the organization.

 

[Sparagmos]

This is why identity politics is evil. Everything about this is evil. Any pastor pushing it has no idea who Christ is

And there you go, saying certain Christians aren’t Christian because they have different interpretations of scripture. Isn’t that a violation of CF rules?

I’m not sure you watched the video - Rev. Barber’s focus is not identity politics.

 

[Silmarien]

There's a huge difference between giving in Christian charity and state redistribution of advantages and resources to groups who someone somewhere has determined to be disadvantaged.

When your doing this, your basing everything on group, not on qualifications, on merit, on character, on work. Whether boy x or boy b gets into college? Now based on ethnic group rather than testing and ability. Whether girl a or b gets a job? Op.. again based on group not on qualifications and ability.

Whenever the most important feature is what group you belong to, and character, ability and determination means nothing, your perpetrating injustice upon people.. not justice.

What is just is deciding college admissions based on test scores and merit, deciding a new hire based on qualifications and ability. That is just.

Saying every resource gained by every individual in group A has been gained unjustly because group a is an advantaged group so group b can take from group a all they like is unjust.

There is no justice to be found in social justice, it's evil. It's every totalitarian state in history. It's how you end up shipping people off to gas chambers in cattle cars... because of the group they belong to, because they have the determined wrong ethnic background.

This is why identity politics is evil. Everything about this is evil. Any pastor pushing it has no idea who Christ is.

If you're basing everything on qualifications, on merit, on character, and on work, you end up with a meritocracy that only serves to celebrate those who were able to get somewhere on their own. That is definitely un-Christian. Society's most marginalized do not necessarily have qualifications or the ability to find dignified work, and as a result they may end up without merit or good character also.

Social justice is about more than affirmative action, and honestly, even identity politics are bigger than just affirmative action, so you can reject affirmative action without even abandoning a left wing approach to social justice.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

The comparison is false to anyone willing to be objective.

You mean according to your interpretation of objective? I disagree.

 

[Michie]

Yet you give any support to the organization.

What?

 

[BNR32FAN]

You mean according to your interpretation of objective? I disagree.

Then the interpretation of objective is...subjective?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

What?

You say people should support black lives matter. But you say people should not support Black Lives Matter. That is double speak. I have explained that there is a difference in the organization and the movement and slogan. But any time people say they support the movement or the slogan, you all think they mean the organization.