[MOVED] No christian should support BLM because it is anti-christian, marxist and promotes LGBT.

[Tiberius Lee]

Comparing MLK to BLM is a false comparison.

As I said .. same thing was said about MLK by “good evangelicals” , as many saying now about BLM.

Same old story , majority always find a way to use religion to oppress the minority.

M.L.King: 1963 Public statement by 8 Alabama clergymen

 

[Michie]

As I said .. same thing was said about MLK by “good evangelicals” , as many saying now about BLM.

Same old story , majority always find a way to use religion to oppress the minority.

M.L.King: 1963 Public statement by 8 Alabama clergymen

Well that’s nice but there were many Christians that supported MLK. Associating MLK with BLM is insulting. There is no comparison. At all.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

Well that’s nice but there were many Christians that supported MLK. Associating MLK with BLM is insulting. There is no comparison. At all.

So you saying all BLM movement needs is Christian to support BLM to justify it's cause .... well I am a born again Christian and I am not black .. but I support BLM .. there you go .. it is justified!

 

[Yekcidmij]

Nothing new hear … whenever Majority thinks their power are diminishing they will use religion to justify how to oppress the minority!

Is that what happens?

 

[Michie]

So you saying all BLM movement needs is Christian to support BLM to justify it's cause .... well I am a born again Christian and I am not black .. but I support BLM .. there you go .. it is justified!

No that’s not what I’m saying at all. I posted info in this thread you obviously did not read.

 

[Michie]

Some Black Lives Matter Supporters Are Assassinating Martin Luther King Jr.'s Legacy

King's Message of Nonviolence Has Been Distorted

MLK Jr.'s niece Alveda King speaks out against rioting overshadowing protests over George Floyd's death

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Well that’s nice but there were many Christians that supported MLK. Associating MLK with BLM is insulting. There is no comparison. At all.

It insults you??? The comparison is true to those who remember.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Is that what happens?

IMHO yes.

 

[Michie]

It insults you??? The comparison is true to those who remember.

It’s insulting to MLK and his legacy imo.

 

[Lady Bug]

I'm not going into the "organization" aspect because I think that the arguments against the organization (e.g. being Marxist, etc.) are legit, but something is causing me to break away from conservatives on something. I don't like how they are misinterpreting the slogan. Just the slogan I'm talking about.

Let's look at the Uyghurs in China for example. It's known by now that China is persecuting many of them in camps. If the average person were to wave a "Uyghur lives matter" sign, what would you think it means?

You would probably say it means "Uyghur lives in China are being dehumanized and the sign-wavers are simply trying to tell us that Uyghur lives should be on equal footing with any other lives."

How would it look to say "It's not just Uyghur lives that matter. All lives matter. Don't Uyghurs also kill other Uyghurs?"

The response to that would be "Of course they do, but they don't kill each other for the same reason that the Chinese government is killing them. The government is killing them because of discrimination. Uyghurs are not killing each other because of discrimination."

This is something that my fellow conservatives are not understanding about the "black lives matter" slogan (once again only the slogan).

 

[Yekcidmij]

IMHO yes.

Ok, thanks for the opinion. I was hoping data and analysis would follow. I suspect the claim was a too simplistic explanation about how the world works.

 

[Michie]

I'm not going into the "organization" aspect because I think that the arguments against the organization (e.g. being Marxist, etc.) are legit, but something is causing me to break away from conservatives on something. I don't like how they are misinterpreting the slogan. Just the slogan I'm talking about.

Let's look at the Uyghurs in China for example. It's known by now that China is persecuting many of them in camps. If the average person were to wave a "Uyghur lives matter" sign, what would you think it means?

You would probably say it means "Uyghur lives in China are being dehumanized and the sign-wavers are simply trying to tell us that Uyghur lives should be on equal footing with any other lives."

How would it look to say "It's not just Uyghur lives that matter. All lives matter. Don't Uyghurs also kill other Uyghurs?"

The response to that would be "Of course they do, but they don't kill each other for the same reason that the Chinese government is killing them. The government is killing them because of discrimination. Uyghurs are not killing each other because of discrimination."

This is something that my fellow conservatives are not understanding about the "black lives matter" slogan (once again only the slogan).

Nothing wrong with the slogan but it goes much deeper than that as you know. Of course black lives matter. But it depends. You must support BLM and ALL it stands for.

 

[Yekcidmij]

You must support BLM and ALL it stands for.

I think there are a lot of people who support the idea that "Black lives matter [too]," but have nothing to do with the organization ( Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc) or adhere to BLM, Inc's values. Surely you could grant that as a possibility?

 

[Michie]

I think there are a lot of people who support the idea that "Black lives matter [too]," but have nothing to do with the organization ( Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc) or adhere to BLM, Inc's values. Surely you could grant that as a possibility?

Of course I do. But there is a big problem when people do not look into what it is they support beyond the title. We will know them by their fruits.

 

[Lady Bug]

Nothing wrong with the slogan but it goes much deeper than that as you know. Of course black lives matter. But it depends. You must support BLM and ALL it stands for.

Yeah that's the problem. We can't disagree with anything the organization says or else we're akin to enemies of the state. It's a cult.

 

[BNR32FAN]

As I said .. same thing was said about MLK by “good evangelicals” , as many saying now about BLM.

Same old story , majority always find a way to use religion to oppress the minority.

M.L.King: 1963 Public statement by 8 Alabama clergymen

You can’t sum up all of Christianity simply by the actions of a few false professors. It’s that exact type of stereotyping that is at the very root of racism by implying that the actions of a few define the whole of the group.

 

[BNR32FAN]

So you saying all BLM movement needs is Christian to support BLM to justify it's cause .... well I am a born again Christian and I am not black .. but I support BLM .. there you go .. it is justified!

Wow I don’t know how you came to that assumption based on what the poster said. You said that some Christians opposes Martin Luther and the poster replied that many supported him. So how do you come to the conclusion that this person was implying that BLM needs a Christian to support them to justify its cause? No if a Christian supports them then they’re making a mistake. Here take a look for yourself at how BLM treats Christians.

 

[ViaCrucis]

It's best to never use the mantra' s of Marxist organisations, or anything that is associated with social justice, which as movements and ideals are antithetical to the Christian faith.

1) Social justice is not antithetical to the Christian faith, the whole concept of social justice in the western world is a product of both Jewish and Christian (i.e. biblical) moral teaching.

2) If anything associated with Marxism/Socialism/etc is to be eschewed, then I guess that includes the pledge of allegiance, which was written and promulgated by an anti-Capitalist Socialist, Francis Bellamy.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

BLM has shown itself to be more than the simple premise of black lives mattering. If it had only been peaceful protests, if it had only been calls for reform of the Police they would have had a stronger argument which would have been hard to deny. Instead they've shown a disdain for everything in the civilization around them, by tearing down of historical statues, rioting and advocacy of insane political positions like reparations or new conceptions of racism (in which white people are inherently racist). The communist ties of it's leadership is also another red flag which should have anyone of faith questioning the motives of this movement/group.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

You can’t sum up all of Christianity simply by the actions of a few false professors. It’s that exact type of stereotyping that is at the very root of racism by implying that the actions of a few define the whole of the group.

Same logic can be applied to BLM movement .. just because “few bad apples” vandalize and take up violence doesn’t mean entire movement is wrong.