[MOVED] End of the world predictions are a dime a dozen and always wrong. :)

[parousia70]

This "coming "would be His first physical coming.

Seems you have the cart before the horse on that... for the "coming of the Lord" (vs 40) in this parable happens AFTER, and indeed in response to, the Killing of the Son(vs 39):

38 But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”

41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”

So, Were those wicked men, whom you previously identified as the Chief Priests and Pharisees of 1st Century Jerusalem, Destroyed? Has the Vineyard been leased to other vinedressers?

If so, the conclusion that the mechanism of their destruction was by way of "The Coming of the Lord of the Vineyard" in judgment upon them Sometime AFTER the Son had been Killed, is inescapable for the honest Bible expositor.

So, knowing this, When do you assert this coming took place?

When I ask for scripture yet unfulfilled I am referring to His second physical coming for every eye to see.

The cloud-coming of Revelation 1:7 that "every eye would see" is shown in Revelation 14:14-20 to be an event that occurs in the heavenly realms. As the passage reveals, Christ's actions and commands in the heavenlies result in various tribulation-period disasters that transpire on earth. Simply put, Revelation 14:14-20 is the cloud-coming that "every eye would see." This is significant, for St. John is not describing the coming of Christ as some visual spectacular with cumulus clouds in the skies overhead, but as the coming of Yahweh himself, making Christ equal with the Father.

We have countless examples of the Father coming in His great glory during the Old Testamental period (be sure to note the graphic, physical descriptions and explicit "visual" connotations of Yahweh's comings):

[On Yahweh's coming to Egypt -- early 700s BC] Behold, Yahweh rides on a swift cloud, and comes to Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall tremble at his presence; and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it. I will stir up the Egyptians against the Egyptians (Isaiah 19:1-2)

[On Yahweh's coming during the Maccabean Period] For I have bent Judah for me, I have filled the bow with Ephraim; and I will stir up your sons, Zion, against your sons, Greece, and will make you as the sword of a mighty man. Yahweh shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning; and the Lord Yahweh will blow the trumpet, and will go with whirlwinds of the south. Yahweh of Hosts will defend them; and they shall devour, and shall tread down the sling-stones; and they shall drink, and make a noise as through wine; and they shall be filled like bowls, like the corners of the altar. Yahweh their God will save them in that day (Zechariah 9:13-16)

[On Yahweh's coming to Israel for Babylonian Exile - 6th Century BC] Therefore thus says the Lord Yahweh: Because you are turbulent more than the nations that are round about you, and have not walked in my statutes, neither have kept my ordinances, neither have done after the ordinances of the nations that are round about you; therefore thus says the Lord Yahweh: Behold, I, even I, am against you; and I will execute judgments in the midst of you before the eyes of the nations. I will do in you that which I have not done, and whereunto I will not do any more the like, because of all your abominations (Ez 5:7-9)

[On Yahweh's coming to Israel for Babylonian Exile - 6th Century BC] As I live, says the Lord Yahweh, surely with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with wrath poured out, will I be king over you: and I will bring you out from the peoples, and will gather you out of the countries in which you are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with wrath poured out; and I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there will I enter into judgment with you face to face...Hear the word of Yahweh: Thus says the Lord Yahweh, Behold, I will kindle a fire in you, and it shall devour every green tree in you, and every dry tree: the flaming flame shall not be quenched, and all faces from the south to the north shall be burnt thereby. All flesh shall see that I, Yahweh, have kindled it...Thus says Yahweh: Behold, I am against you, and will draw forth my sword out of its sheath, and will cut off from you the righteous and the wicked. Seeing then that I will cut off from you the righteous and the wicked, therefore shall my sword go forth out of its sheath against all flesh from the south to the north: and all flesh shall know that I, Yahweh, have drawn forth my sword out of its sheath (Ez 20:33-35,47-48; 21:3-5)

Jehovah hath made bare His holy arm before the eyes of all nations (Isa 52:10)

These are just a few examples of the Father's Old-Testament comings, but there are many others: Yahweh came down and shot arrows at Saul and his armies, shaking the earth's foundations and the heavens at that time (2 Sam 22:8-16); Yahweh is depicted as having destroyed the universe when he judged Israel through Babylon (Jer 4:22-30), and did so again when he judged Egypt by Babylon's King Nebuchadnezzar (Ez 32:1-16). The Father entered into judgments with Egypt and Assyria in a spectacular coming in Isaiah 31. Habakkuk's depiction of Jehovah's coming at Mt. Sinai is nothing less than apocalyptic (Hab 3:3-16).

Were any of these OT comings visual, physical/literal appearances of Yahweh as the prophets describe in metaphorical prophetic language? Of course not (Jn 1:18; 1 Jn 4:12)--the Hebrews understood that no human could ever see Yahweh and live (Exodus 33:20).

Importantly, these comings of the Father form the entire backdrop for the doctrine of the "coming" of Christ, for it was in this manner of the Father's glory that Christ said he would come (Matt 16:27-28; Lk. 9:26; Matt 24:33-34). As stated in Matthew 21:40-45, the Lord of the Vineyard came to the apostate leaders of first-century Israel and was The Stone that crushed them to powder, removing the Kingdom of God from them and giving it to a new Nation.

By comparing scripture with scripture, we can see This is not a Physical/Literal Future to us event, it is a Spiritual/Literal past event. Not unlike the many previous Spiritual/Literal Comings of God I referenced from the OT above.

Perhaps you have a different "coming" in Mind?

 

[parousia70]

As a Catholic, I affirm Jesus "comes" in each and every Eucharist, every Day.
Do you believe the coming at Eucharist to be like the ones sited in Acts or the one in Matthew? This is just a curiosity not an interrogation .

Well, I suppose the Eucharist is more "like" His coming in Matthew 18:2, but that would be an over simplification from a strictly Catholic perspective....I'd be happy to delve into that if you want, but I'm not sure if we want this particular thread to derail down the rabbit hole of debating the nature and effect of Transubsantiation.

For sure, Acts 26:12-18 and Acts 7:54-58 stand as direct fulfillments of Acts 1:11

 

[Postvieww]

Well, I suppose the Eucharist is more "like" His coming in Matthew 18:2, but that would be an over simplification from a strictly Catholic perspective....I'd be happy to delve into that if you want, but I'm not sure if we want this particular thread to derail down the rabbit hole of debating the nature and effect of Transubsantiation.

For sure, Acts 26:12-18 and Acts 7:54-58 stand as direct fulfillments of Acts 1:11

Acts 1:9-12. Acts 7:55-56, Acts 26:13-18

I believe Jesus can appear at anytime He chooses to anyone He chooses. That is not what Acts 1 describes. I see no relation in Acts 7 & 26 to Acts 1.
I would be interested to hear a scriptural case for your belief on Transubsantiation.

 

[Postvieww]

Well, I suppose the Eucharist is more "like" His coming in Matthew 18:2, but that would be an over simplification from a strictly Catholic perspective....I'd be happy to delve into that if you want, but I'm not sure if we want this particular thread to derail down the rabbit hole of debating the nature and effect of Transubsantiation.

For sure, Acts 26:12-18 and Acts 7:54-58 stand as direct fulfillments of Acts 1:11

Parousia70 said post # 202:

For sure, Acts 26:12-18 and Acts 7:54-58 stand as direct fulfillments of Acts 1:11


Acts 1:9-11

This passage describes Jesus’ ascension into heaven. This event has no relation to the event at Stephen’s stoning. In Acts 1 Jesus was taken up in a cloud in full view of His disciples. We are told in verse 11 when He returns it will be in like manner, Revelation 1:7, Matthew 24:30. At about the moment of his death Stephen was shown a glimpse into heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing on the right hand of God. This was no return of Jesus to the earth in like manner as in Acts 1. Acts 9:1-9, Acts 26: 12- 18, likewise at Saul’s conversion he saw a light from heaven and heard the voice of Jesus. The men with Saul heard the voice but saw no man, Acts 9:7. These two appearances of Jesus to Stephen and Saul were no fulfillment of Acts 1 they have nothing in common. As I stated in a previous post “Jesus can appear at any time He chooses to anyone He chooses” that in no way would be a fulfillment of His promise to return I like manner as He left. There are many testimonies of personal appearances of Jesus to individuals, they have no relation to His promise to return “with power and great glory” “with clouds” for “every eye” to see.

 

[eclipsenow]

Parousia70 said post # 202:

For sure, Acts 26:12-18 and Acts 7:54-58 stand as direct fulfillments of Acts 1:11


Acts 1:9-11

This passage describes Jesus’ ascension into heaven. This event has no relation to the event at Stephen’s stoning. In Acts 1 Jesus was taken up in a cloud in full view of His disciples. We are told in verse 11 when He returns it will be in like manner, Revelation 1:7, Matthew 24:30. At about the moment of his death Stephen was shown a glimpse into heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing on the right hand of God. This was no return of Jesus to the earth in like manner as in Acts 1. Acts 9:1-9, Acts 26: 12- 18, likewise at Saul’s conversion he saw a light from heaven and heard the voice of Jesus. The men with Saul heard the voice but saw no man, Acts 9:7. These two appearances of Jesus to Stephen and Saul were no fulfillment of Acts 1 they have nothing in common. As I stated in a previous post “Jesus can appear at any time He chooses to anyone He chooses” that in no way would be a fulfillment of His promise to return I like manner as He left. There are many testimonies of personal appearances of Jesus to individuals, they have no relation to His promise to return “with power and great glory” “with clouds” for “every eye” to see.

I refuse to read blue bold from here on in.

 

[Postvieww]

I refuse to read blue bold from here on in.

Parousia70 said post # 202:

"For sure, Acts 26:12-18 and Acts 7:54-58 stand as direct fulfillments of Acts 1:11"


Acts 1:9-11

This passage describes Jesus’ ascension into heaven. This event has no relation to the event at Stephen’s stoning. In Acts 1 Jesus was taken up in a cloud in full view of His disciples. We are told in verse 11 when He returns it will be in like manner, Revelation 1:7, Matthew 24:30. At about the moment of his death Stephen was shown a glimpse into heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing on the right hand of God. This was no return of Jesus to the earth in like manner as in Acts 1. Acts 9:1-9, Acts 26: 12- 18, likewise at Saul’s conversion he saw a light from heaven and heard the voice of Jesus. The men with Saul heard the voice but saw no man, Acts 9:7. These two appearances of Jesus to Stephen and Saul were no fulfillment of Acts 1 they have nothing in common. As I stated in a previous post “Jesus can appear at any time He chooses to anyone He chooses” that in no way would be a fulfillment of His promise to return I like manner as He left. There are many testimonies of personal appearances of Jesus to individuals, they have no relation to His promise to return “with power and great glory” “with clouds” for “every eye” to see.

 

[parousia70]

Parousia70 said post # 202:

"For sure, Acts 26:12-18 and Acts 7:54-58 stand as direct fulfillments of Acts 1:11"


Acts 1:9-11

This passage describes Jesus’ ascension into heaven. This event has no relation to the event at Stephen’s stoning. In Acts 1 Jesus was taken up in a cloud in full view of His disciples. We are told in verse 11 when He returns it will be in like manner, Revelation 1:7, Matthew 24:30.

Did "Every Eye" see Jesus ascend?
You must believe yes if you assert His return Will be "in like manner" as the ascension.
Did Jesus ascend "in Great power and Glory, with Angelic armies in tow and reward every man according to His works at that time?"
You must say yes if you assert His return will be "in Like manner" as the ascension.

C'mon, It's demonstrably false that you Believe His return will be in exact like manner as the ascension.

You simply pick and choose whichever attributes of the ascension will be "in like manner as" the return that best suit your previously held view, and completely disregard the rest, in the complete absence of ANY scriptural instruction to do so.

Q:How Did the angels promise the disciples Jesus would "come"
A: In like manner as they saw Him go "into Heaven".

How did Jesus enter heaven?
Hidden from their eyes by a cloud. (Acts 1:9)

I already gave my detailed, scripture based response to your 21st century goggles version of "every eye shall see". feel free to offer a scriptural rebuttal anytime.


Now, about Matt 21:33-45....?

 

[eclipsenow]

"For sure, Acts 26:12-18 and Acts 7:54-58 stand as direct fulfillments of Acts 1:11"


Acts 1:9-11

This passage describes Jesus’ ascension into heaven. This event has no relation to the event at Stephen’s stoning. In Acts 1 Jesus was taken up in a cloud in full view of His disciples. We are told in verse 11 when He returns it will be in like manner, Revelation 1:7, Matthew 24:30.​

But what Prof Peter Bolt is arguing is that it is our assumption that Matt 24 is about Jesus return. Now that he's made a compelling argument from Daniel 7 that Jesus himself is quoting, we've got to prove that it's actually about Jesus return, not just assume it. After all, I doubt Jesus got Daniel 7 wrong! So why was he quoting it?

 

[Tobias Andersson]

Well i know a Pastor and prophet that speaks the truth about the bible.

Eva virginius on facebook
https://www.facebook.com/eva.virg

Gods messages
https://www.facebook.com/1liv.nu/?pnref=story

Her blogg
http://www.blog.fotsteg.se/#home

Have fun with the truth

She writes about the problems ahead sometimes thats in the bible.

 

[eclipsenow]

Well i know a Pastor and prophet that speaks the truth about the bible.

Eva virginius on facebook
https://www.facebook.com/eva.virg

Gods messages
https://www.facebook.com/1liv.nu/?pnref=story

Her blogg
http://www.blog.fotsteg.se/#home

Have fun with the truth

She writes about the problems ahead sometimes thats in the bible.

Unless you're prepared to graph a paragraph pertinent to this particular discussion, this post is nothing more than SPAM! Please don't do that again.

Have fun with the truth

If she's a futurist, then it's simply not true! Have fun with delusional end-times-tables that simply will not pan out that way.

 

[Luke17:37]

Well i know a Pastor and prophet that speaks the truth about the bible.

Eva virginius on facebook
https://www.facebook.com/eva.virg

Gods messages
https://www.facebook.com/1liv.nu/?pnref=story

Her blogg
http://www.blog.fotsteg.se/#home

Have fun with the truth

She writes about the problems ahead sometimes thats in the bible.

Tobias, I didn't have to read far before I saw something glaringly wrong (besides the whole woman pastor thing, which I think is wrong to start with). On her "God Messages" Facebook post from April 21, she says:

"I put GOD before what I read in the Bible."

"The Bible is in error because of man's infiltration in the scripture so it is often I can't say amen to what I read when God have said and told me something else."

"The devil was already there in the year 325 when much changed in the First Council of Nicaea."

Matthew 5:18
18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Matthew 24:35
35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

2 Peter 1:19-21
19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

Hebrews 4:12
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

God's Word spreaks truth, and He has promised to preserve it. She is giving heed to this spirit who denies the truth of God's written word. God is never going to say something that disagrees with what He has written in His Scriptures.

Matthew 4:4
4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.'"

~~~

"Like Jesus I can't adjust me to what is written, I can only adjust me in what GOD tell me today."

First, Jesus never bucked against the words of Scriptures; that would be impossible for Him, since He is the author of Scripture. Jesus rebuked those who, by their traditions, nullified the word of God. This is exactly what she is doing whether she realizes it or not.

Romans 12:2
2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

The best way to renew our minds is by meditating on Scripture and letting God's words change our hearts. She has decided that God's word is not reliably God's word, so she refuses to conform to what it says and hold it as the standard, the truth.

1 John 4:4
4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

If anyone's prophecy goes against God's written Word (the Bible), they are false prophets. She is not testing the spirits who speak to her; she is accepting their word as authoritative and God's Word as corrupt. God doesn't change His mind, He doesn't lie, and the Holy Scripture will endure forever.

~~~

"The truth make us free and both Jesus and I are free spirit and not under any man."

First, Jesus submitted to the Father in everything, especially when He did not resist those who arrested and tortured Him to death.

John 5:19
19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.

1 Peter 5:5
5 Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for
“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”

Ephesians 5:21
21 submitting to one another in the fear of God.

Hebrews 13:17
17 Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.

As Christians we are supposed submit to each other in a certain way since we are all members of the same body and what we do affects the rest of the body. God established authorities in the local church (pastors and elders) and they are men. She creates her own scenario where she is not accountable to anyone.

~~~

"Why should Jesus Christ come back as a man? It was man who killed Him."

Acts 1:10-11
10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

The same Jesus who left is absolutely coming back. He is most definitely in the body of a man. It was because of man's sin, male and female, that He died. But in saying this, she degrades all males, which is foolish.

~~~

2 Timothy 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

Eva is not upholding sound doctrine; she's creating new doctrine to tear down the word of God. Forsake her and others like her, and hold to the true doctrine of the Scriptures.

Also, if you didn't know, personal prophecy is forbidden on this forum.

 

[Postvieww]

Did "Every Eye" see Jesus ascend?
You must believe yes if you assert His return Will be "in like manner" as the ascension.
Did Jesus ascend "in Great power and Glory, with Angelic armies in tow and reward every man according to His works at that time?"
You must say yes if you assert His return will be "in Like manner" as the ascension.

C'mon, It's demonstrably false that you Believe His return will be in exact like manner as the ascension.

You simply pick and choose whichever attributes of the ascension will be "in like manner as" the return that best suit your previously held view, and completely disregard the rest, in the complete absence of ANY scriptural instruction to do so.

Q:How Did the angels promise the disciples Jesus would "come"
A: In like manner as they saw Him go "into Heaven".

How did Jesus enter heaven?
Hidden from their eyes by a cloud. (Acts 1:9)

I already gave my detailed, scripture based response to your 21st century goggles version of "every eye shall see". feel free to offer a scriptural rebuttal anytime.


Now, about Matt 21:33-45....?

Did "Every Eye" see Jesus ascend?

Word games? Cannot the like manner refer to the method in which He left? He was taken up and a cloud received Him out of their sight Acts 1:9. When He returns “behold , He cometh with the clouds” is just the reverse. No every eye didn’t see Him leave ( those present did) when He comes again every eye will see Him return, no contradiction.

Let’s apply your logic to your own statement. You said “For sure, Acts 26:12-18 and Acts 7:54-58 stand as direct fulfillments of Acts 1:11". In Acts 26 did anyone other than Paul witness the light from heaven? Paul heard His voice, is there any mention of Jesus shouting back from the cloud as he left in Acts 1? Did Paul say anything about a cloud in his testimony? Did Paul say Jesus went up or down? Now look at Acts 7 Did Stephen see Jesus go up or down? Did he see a cloud? All he saw was the Glory of God and Jesus standing on His right hand. You have not held yourself to the same standard you impose on me. You claim Acts 7 & 26 are in fulfillment of Acts 1 which tells us He will return in like manner as He left, but there is no “like manner “ in the passages you site.

You must believe yes if you assert His return Will be "in like manner" as the ascension.

No I must not.

Did Jesus ascend "in Great power and Glory, with Angelic armies in tow and reward every man according to His works at that time?"

You must say yes if you assert His return will be "in Like manner" as the ascension.

You do not hold yourself to this standard.

C'mon, It's demonstrably false that you Believe His return will be in exact like manner as the ascension.

You used the word “exact” I didn’t.

You simply pick and choose whichever attributes of the ascension will be "in like manner as" the return that best suit your previously held view, and completely disregard the rest, in the complete absence of ANY scriptural instruction to do so.

Just like you did with Acts 7 and 26.

Q:How Did the angels promise the disciples Jesus would "come"

A: In like manner as they saw Him go "into Heaven".

He ascended up INTO the cloud and when He went INTO the cloud He was out of their sight.

How did Jesus enter heaven?

Hidden from their eyes by a cloud. (Acts 1:9)

This is the same tactic I have encountered in the pre –post debate. Every passage that describes the same event in scripture DOES NOT have to be identical in every detail to be speaking of the same event. The superscription on the cross is worded differently in in all 4 gospels yet they describe the same event.

I already gave my detailed, scripture based response to your 21st century goggles version of "every eye shall see". feel free to offer a scriptural rebuttal anytime.

I also gave a detailed rebuttal to your claim “For sure, Acts 26:12-18 and Acts 7:54-58 stand as direct fulfillments of Acts 1:11" please explain why you demand a different standard for others.

Now, about Matt 21:33-45....?

Here is what I said in post #198

“Matt:21:45And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

Short answer above verse tells us who it was directly for in that sense fullfilled. As with other parables there are truths that can be applied elsewhere . This "coming "would be His first physical coming. When I ask for scripture yet unfulfilled I am referring to His second physical coming for every eye to see.”

I don’t know what you are looking for here. I went back and reread your response in post #201. Are you trying to get me to agree the coming in the parable vs 40 is the same as Revelation 1:7 and has already happened? If so that’s not going to happen. I already said in post #203 “I believe Jesus can appear at anytime He chooses to anyone He chooses”. Show me a 2nd witness, verse to prove Jesus “came” in or around 70 AD.

Now if you will indulge me I have a few (undetermined number) questions.

Revelation 19:11-16 fulfilled or not?

Revelation 11:15-19 fulfilled or not?

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 fulfilled or not?

2 Thessalonians 2:1 fulfilled or not?

 

[Postvieww]

"For sure, Acts 26:12-18 and Acts 7:54-58 stand as direct fulfillments of Acts 1:11"


Acts 1:9-11

This passage describes Jesus’ ascension into heaven. This event has no relation to the event at Stephen’s stoning. In Acts 1 Jesus was taken up in a cloud in full view of His disciples. We are told in verse 11 when He returns it will be in like manner, Revelation 1:7, Matthew 24:30.​

But what Prof Peter Bolt is arguing is that it is our assumption that Matt 24 is about Jesus return. Now that he's made a compelling argument from Daniel 7 that Jesus himself is quoting, we've got to prove that it's actually about Jesus return, not just assume it. After all, I doubt Jesus got Daniel 7 wrong! So why was he quoting it?

I’m not familiar with Prof Peter Bolt’s compelling argument. If you give a little more info I will respond.

 

[eclipsenow]

Tobias, I didn't have to read far before I saw something glaringly wrong (besides the whole woman pastor thing, which I think is wrong to start with). On her "God Messages" Facebook post from April 21, she says:

"I put GOD before what I read in the Bible."

"The Bible is in error because of man's infiltration in the scripture so it is often I can't say amen to what I read when God have said and told me something else."

"The devil was already there in the year 325 when much changed in the First Council of Nicaea."

Matthew 5:18
18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Matthew 24:35
35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

2 Peter 1:19-21
19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

Hebrews 4:12
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

God's Word spreaks truth, and He has promised to preserve it. She is giving heed to this spirit who denies the truth of God's written word. God is never going to say something that disagrees with what He has written in His Scriptures.

Matthew 4:4
4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.'"

~~~

"Like Jesus I can't adjust me to what is written, I can only adjust me in what GOD tell me today."

First, Jesus never bucked against the words of Scriptures; that would be impossible for Him, since He is the author of Scripture. Jesus rebuked those who, by their traditions, nullified the word of God. This is exactly what she is doing whether she realizes it or not.

Romans 12:2
2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

The best way to renew our minds is by meditating on Scripture and letting God's words change our hearts. She has decided that God's word is not reliably God's word, so she refuses to conform to what it says and hold it as the standard, the truth.

1 John 4:4
4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

If anyone's prophecy goes against God's written Word (the Bible), they are false prophets. She is not testing the spirits who speak to her; she is accepting their word as authoritative and God's Word as corrupt. God doesn't change His mind, He doesn't lie, and the Holy Scripture will endure forever.

~~~

"The truth make us free and both Jesus and I are free spirit and not under any man."

First, Jesus submitted to the Father in everything, especially when He did not resist those who arrested and tortured Him to death.

John 5:19
19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.

1 Peter 5:5
5 Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for
“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”

Ephesians 5:21
21 submitting to one another in the fear of God.

Hebrews 13:17
17 Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.

As Christians we are supposed submit to each other in a certain way since we are all members of the same body and what we do affects the rest of the body. God established authorities in the local church (pastors and elders) and they are men. She creates her own scenario where she is not accountable to anyone.

~~~

"Why should Jesus Christ come back as a man? It was man who killed Him."

Acts 1:10-11
10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

The same Jesus who left is absolutely coming back. He is most definitely in the body of a man. It was because of man's sin, male and female, that He died. But in saying this, she degrades all males, which is foolish.

~~~

2 Timothy 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

Eva is not upholding sound doctrine; she's creating new doctrine to tear down the word of God. Forsake her and others like her, and hold to the true doctrine of the Scriptures.

Also, if you didn't know, personal prophecy is forbidden on this forum.

I'm with you Luke17: this woman sounds like she's lost the plot and is starting a cult, setting herself up as the only infallible reader of God's word, more reliable than the bible itself! Warning: danger Will Robinson!

 

[eclipsenow]

I’m not familiar with Prof Peter Bolt’s compelling argument. If you give a little more info I will respond.

http://matthiasmedia.com/briefing/?...e_son_of_man_a_response_to_sandys_first_post/

http://matthiasmedia.com/briefing/2...-son-of-man-a-response-to-sandys-second-post/

 

[Tobias Andersson]

You guys clerly dont understand what shes saying. God teaches her bible, and God sends her to places to do his work, to learn life, so she can understand God and the bible. What she does is not deny the scriptures, her point is turn to God instead of the church to find the truth, proof is that world church aint a world church, but many churces with many difrent toughts on whats the truth, her point is turn to Gods kingdom. You cant find al answers just by reading the bible, you need to turn to Gods kingdom sometimes to understand. For example ...Matthew 6:3... But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, people dont understand this, but i do, its not litterly, it has a complex understanding of it.

Then we have the book of revelation, and that gift can only be tought by Gods kingdom. And i know some of it. What i pointed out, she knows most of it, meybe al i dont know. Thing is she writes sometimes about it. And thats what i wanted to share since you guys are intrested in prophets and propecys, what now that is for you, i dont know, for me its many things with these prophets.

You guys say sect or cult. Shes the only one that helped me truw life with the problems i had and saved me from disaster that people do to me and will do. Also i know she is a prophet since from my own experience. Matthew 12:26 "If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? (to make a long story short she tought me some of this) If she where not who she said she where, she culd not have tought me some of this). Personaly i wuld not recomend you guys to test this or toy with this, people can die or get hurth. Anyway i know for sure that she serves God truw this experience, you guys must seek truth in your lives to, when ever your ready for it). Also she healed my liver, doctors where amazed.

 

[eclipsenow]

You guys clerly dont understand what shes saying. God teaches her bible, and God sends her to places to do his work, to learn life, so she can understand God and the bible. What she does is not deny the scriptures, her point is turn to God instead of the church to find the truth, proof is that world church aint a world church, but many churces with many difrent toughts on whats the truth, her point is turn to Gods kingdom. You cant find al answers just by reading the bible, you need to turn to Gods kingdom sometimes to understand. For example ...Matthew 6:3... But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, people dont understand this, but i do, its not litterly, it has a complex understanding of it.

16 All Scripture is God-breathedand is useful for teaching,rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”​

How equipped? Not partially. Not a little bit. Not a lot. But thoroughly equipped.

Then we have the book of revelation, and that gift can only be tought by Gods kingdom. And i know some of it. What i pointed out, she knows most of it, meybe al i dont know. Thing is she writes sometimes about it. And thats what i wanted to share since you guys are intrested in prophets and propecys, what now that is for you, i dont know, for me its many things with these prophets.​

The only prophecies I know of are in the bible, not something some lady is adding to the bible.

You guys say sect or cult. Shes the only one that helped me truw life with the problems i had and saved me from disaster that people do to me and will do. Also i know she is a prophet since from my own experience. Matthew 12:26 "If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? (to make a long story short she tought me some of this) If she where not who she said she where, she culd not have tought me some of this). Personaly i wuld not recomend you guys to test this or toy with this, people can die or get hurth. Anyway i know for sure that she serves God truw this experience, you guys must seek truth in your lives to, when ever your ready for it). Also she healed my liver, doctors where amazed.​

I don't think there are prophets today, not in the sense you're meaning the word.

1 In the past God spoketo our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways,2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son,whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.​

The last days are since Acts 2 when the Holy Spirit was poured out on the church. While there is a 'gift' of prophecy mentioned in Corinthians, I actually think that a strong case can be made that it is about declaring the gospel accurately into a particular generation.

But anyone that says they've understood God's word because God TOLD THEM in particular what it means... just run. Run a million miles!

 

[Tobias Andersson]

you dont know what your saying...

Matthew 25:31-46

Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

I wish you gl in life...

 

[Postvieww]

you dont know what your saying...

Matthew 25:31-46

Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

I wish you gl in life...

Something very serious is wrong here. Below is something I copied from Eva’s site. Tobias all I can say to you is, test the spirits. I would be interested to hear details of your born again experience. Message me privately if you like.






No Virgin Birth


JESUSPosted by Eva Mar 17, 2014 13:37:53

I do not believe in an virgin birth when Jesus was born. Jesus was created like anyone of us.


There is three things that make me could say it.


1. If Jesus was born as the son of GOD should we have read about the special child who could heal people and talk in special ways but we do not read anything about Jesus before he is 12 years old.


In that time was a 12 years old boy not a child. He was not in the school but was working. It is easy to know as I have old parents that start to work at 12 or took care of the home.


2. Jesus after been baptist by John the baptist and AFTER walking up on land recieved the Holy Ghost.....



Why should he do this if he was already filled with the Holy ghost when he was born ?


3. I have done all the things that Jesus did and I am sure that I am made like all humans.


The answers is in the spirit talking and GOD is a spirit.


VIRGIN and YOUNG means a person that have not been anyway, been raised up in a safe environment and am innocent and naive in their thoughts

( naive in knowing things that have not been told to them and make up their own image of what have happen )

Who wasn't in a church in old time ? It is not like today when people can choose. If not join in any religious gathering was it to be a lower person and sometimes they was in chains so people could spit on them and call them names if they did like all other did.


We can not read the Bible and think like we do today and how the world is today. We need to understand the culture and the history behind the stories in the Bible.


A woman could not talk to any man without get permission from her husband or her father ...she could not even talk to her father or husband without getting permission first.


All things are explained if reading the Bible in the spirit.


Those men that have coming to me from heaven look old with white hair and beard but it is only symbolic appearance for being wise ( old=wise and young/virgin=innocent )


I am not frighten to write this because this is the spirit of truth that am talking.


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If you read more in my blog will you understand why I am saying like I do.



1 John 4


1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.


2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:


3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.


5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.


6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

 

[Luke17:37]

You guys clerly dont understand what shes saying. God teaches her bible, and God sends her to places to do his work, to learn life, so she can understand God and the bible. What she does is not deny the scriptures, her point is turn to God instead of the church to find the truth, proof is that world church aint a world church, but many churces with many difrent toughts on whats the truth, her point is turn to Gods kingdom. You cant find al answers just by reading the bible, you need to turn to Gods kingdom sometimes to understand. For example ...Matthew 6:3... But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, people dont understand this, but i do, its not litterly, it has a complex understanding of it.

Then we have the book of revelation, and that gift can only be tought by Gods kingdom. And i know some of it. What i pointed out, she knows most of it, meybe al i dont know. Thing is she writes sometimes about it. And thats what i wanted to share since you guys are intrested in prophets and propecys, what now that is for you, i dont know, for me its many things with these prophets.

You guys say sect or cult. Shes the only one that helped me truw life with the problems i had and saved me from disaster that people do to me and will do. Also i know she is a prophet since from my own experience. Matthew 12:26 "If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? (to make a long story short she tought me some of this) If she where not who she said she where, she culd not have tought me some of this). Personaly i wuld not recomend you guys to test this or toy with this, people can die or get hurth. Anyway i know for sure that she serves God truw this experience, you guys must seek truth in your lives to, when ever your ready for it). Also she healed my liver, doctors where amazed.

I didn't have to spend more than than a couple minutes to see that she is teaching lies about the Bible, saying that it is corrupted by men. The Bible is our truth standard and is not corrupt. And what Postvieww found is even worse, that she is saying Jesus didn't have a virgin birth and that He was created. Essentially she is denying that Jesus is God, because He would not be God if He were created. Denying the divinity of Jesus is a classic definition of an antichrist.

Just because she has powers does not mean God is with her. God cannot be with her if she is lying about Him in these grave ways. God allows evil spirits to have and exercise powers, too. If you insist on learning about God from her, it will destroy you.

Matthew 24:11
11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.

Matthew 24:24-25
24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons...

Look at what kind of powers the False Prophet (the Beast of the Earth) will have...

Revelation 13:13-15
13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth—by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

Yet when Jesus returns, the Beast and the False Prophet will be thrown alive into the Lake of Fire a thousand years or so before anyone else.