Mother ?

[mog144]

...Man is the head of the woman, Christ is the head of the man--that's what God said. So do not understand your 1st day of the second week being when God created woman--Where you there??

Additionally, you must note your own words concerning the head of woman, etc. This is exactly what I'm emphasizing but you twist it to turn away from your violation of the same Law that you just mentioned. You seriously contradict your self.

Again, take your own advice, Sola Scriptura, the Bible and the Bible alone! This said, put Ellen aside for once and do your own thinking if you have the power to overcome the mind-control of Ellen. okay, is your mind clear? No!

You people can't see but I'll say it anyway; read the KJV Bible on Creation, Gen ch 1, 2 & 3. You yourself say that Genesis should be taken literally, okay, read the Creation account and stop thinking about what Doug Batchelor said last Sabbath School Central on 3ABN. okay, notice that Creation was finished before the woman was made, she was not created then on the first day of the second week but she was MADE because she was already CREATED with her husband in ONE body on day 6. They were both male and female on day 6, they were not man and woman.

That day passes and the Son of God Creates a Sabbath Covenant "Rest" with that ONE man who is like Esau and Jacob in ONE womb. They were not separate at that time for the purpose to receive the COMMAND alike in their ONE MIND and SPIRIT.

This God did so that neither male nor female have excuse to sin. They were like Romans without excuse before they were MADE into the MAN and WOMAN.

Male and female refers to the spiritual form and the man and woman refer to the flesh form. We will be returning to that Glorified form that they were before their fall. Eden is restored as you profess.

Take all of the teachings that you have learned and apply them and you'll see that there are many contradictions. The SDA church is not the only one who misunderstand Genesis. This is where satan hit you guys hard and you fell for the lie.

I love ya but ya need to wake up like others and prepare because your reward is coming in less than 90 days.

 

[mog144]

....Man is the head of the woman, Christ is the head of the man--that's what God said. So do not understand your 1st day of the second week being when God created woman--Where you there??

Actually, YES I WAS! And so were every one of God's children as He had Created them before the foundation of the world because they were written then in the Book of Life.

All of Creation is ONE in GOD and to separate any part is an abomination unto God. God's people perish for lack of knowledge!

Matt 19:5-6

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
KJV

 

[mog144]

Wow. This thread got weird.

At any rate, Jesus called His mother 'woman' in a couple of places.

In one place, it was: "And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.”" (John 2:4) It sounds like a snarky term in context. Like, 'woman, get me a sandwich", or something.

But he also used it here to Mary: "When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!”" (John 19:26)

And here to the Gentile woman: Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour." (Matthew 15:28)

And here to the Samaritan woman: "Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem."

No snark at all.

So the term probably just has a rough sound to the ears of our culture.

I am doing no such thing as putting woman over God by nature.

Why are you bringing out these gender roles and issues? We know what God says about man and woman.

Question: You have a human nature. Would you say that a person can know you all the better for having known your mother?

This is a beautiful story how woman may be Equated in Christ by obedience.

John 4:9-24

9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?

12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?

13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:

14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

15 The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.

16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.

17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:

18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.

20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
KJV

 

[mog144]

...Would you say that a person can know you all the better for having known your mother?

You say mother and I say FATHER! How uncanny that you put your foot in your mouth. I told you directly in so many ways and throughout all of my postings that you must know the FATHER in order to know the Son. The Mother of humankind is Earth, She is your Mother, not Mary! Do you not know the Order?

You must honor your Mother Earth from whom you were taken and respect her but NO! All of you worldly people are focused on the fleshy father and mother who have sexual relations with one another. You see only material things and have lost sight of the Spiritual level of Creation. You know not the Spirit of the Father.

You twist Holy Scriptures in your ORDER so that you may trodden God's Law and exalt yourselves as gods apart from God. You have become as gods! This is the Unpardonable sin because you refuse to repent. It may be forgiven if you do repent and turn to God before you perish for lack of knowledge.

You honor your father and mother in flesh and destroy the Mother from which you came. You have plundered Her depths and spilled Her blood for your own lusts for temporary things that are about to burn with fervent heat.

Mary was born of Mother Earth and you exalt the creation over the Creator's ORDER of Creation.

Isa 45:10-11

10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?

11 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.
KJV


Now the NIV so that you may have a better understanding of what this means to you.

Isa 45:10-12
10 Woe to him who says to his father, 'What have you begotten?' or to his mother, 'What have you brought to birth?'

11 "This is what the Lord says — the Holy One of Israel, and its Maker: Concerning things to come, do you question me about my children, or give me orders about the work of my hands?

12 It is I who made the earth and created mankind upon it. My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts.
NIV

Where do we see the Hands of God at Work? In Creation when He made His children.

We question His Authority of Law and we dare to dictate another ORDER to His Creation! Why do you avoid the Prophets who spoke of the this day?

You brood of vipers!

 

[ebedmelech]

OH my goodness ... does edging Mary OUT go so far as THIS?

Why is there such a propensity among some to give great credit to Abraham, David, Saul/Paul, but NOT to the Mother of our Blessed Lord and Redeemer?

Here in this moment I quote Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta:

"No Mary? ... No Jesus."


Case closed.

God bless you.

First...I will say WOW...this thread has taken off.

No, you need to understand something. Mary was blessed in that she was a vessel chosen by God to give Jesus His humanity. I honor Mary, but unlike your church I don't worship her or pray to her.

To the point I said...Gabriel made it very plain to Mary when he appeared to her:
Luke 1:35
35 The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.

That is very careful language right there. Jesus is the Son of God...not Mary, humanly speaking one can call Mary his mother, but that is about as far as it goes. The 2nd person of the Godhead is coming into the world to keep the Law of God perfectly and be the Passover Lamb that offers God's salvation to the world.

This is why when Joseph and Mary realized they had left the temple without Jesus and found Him Mary asked "Why have you treated us this way", Jesus let her know “Why is it that you were looking for Me? Did you not know that I had to be in My Father’s house?”

In other words Jesus is saying "I have places to go, and things to do for my Father." Did Mary chastise him? No...Mary "treasured those things in her heart." Mary knew Jesus was special!!!

I don't yield to Mariology. It is a doctrine that is false on it's face, and even worse, it's false worship.

You can quote Mother Teresa if you wish, she was a fine lady and she served humanity well...but she is not God. She said "no Mary, no Jesus" but keep in mind again, Mary was chosen and she humbled herself before God and Gabriel.

Mary said "my soul magnifies the Lord"...she didn't seek any glory or special recognition, for she knew that in being chosen she was honored of God. Read her "Magnificat" (Luke 1:46-55), she doesn't exalt herself, she exalts God! So this whole doctrine that you want to espouse upon us about Mary is not proper.

If God wanted Mary to receive worship, it would be in His word. It is not. Mary was blessed, Mary was humble, and Mary yielded to God's purposes.

If Jesus wanted Mary to have a special place in worship, He would not have said "It Is finished", because He would have left something undone.

Mary was blessed, that's where it began, and that's where it ended.

 

[Fireinfolding]

And it does say no other foundation can any man lay then is laid, and thats not Mary (but Jesus Christ)

 

[mog144]

(#1) I am doing no such thing as putting woman over God by nature.

(#2) Why are you bringing out these gender roles and issues? We know what God says about man and woman.

Question: You have a human nature. Would you say that a person can know you all the better for having known your mother?

(#1) Not only in nature do you equate woman with man, you also trodden the Spirit of God the Father under your feet. You can't see what your spiritual score is due to your blindness to those things.

(#2) I bring up these gender roles and issues (as you described them, ironically) because the authentic and awakened so called "Rip Van Winkle" who was appointed for this purpose is factual but the story has been twisted into a mockery by the author of the story. This story was sketched from German Lore around the same time that the 66 canon Protestant Bible swept the world along with false doctrines. The satan brought up four very significant figures in history in order to deceive the entire world, Darwin was one, Joseph Smith, Albert Einstein and Ellen G. Harmon-White. The truth has been hidden for over 150 years and now it's time for God to prepare the way for His Son's Return.

I will remind you that you have just a short wait to see if I'm a liar or not. Please be patient and be still, and above all, prepare.

 

[mmksparbud]

Oh, boy---when someone wants attention, they get it one way or another.---It is self glorification disguised as enlightening us poor fools. When one is more worried about proving how right they are and how wrong the whole rest of the world is---well, something's rotten in Denmark.---All Christian faiths have got right and wrong--simply because we live in an imperfect world. All anyone wants is to do the will of God. We can be mislead, misguided, misinterpret and allow pride to make us oblivious to God's truth.----So, as for me, I choose to hold the bible as my rule of thumb. I'm an SDA,but EGW is not, and has never been our God. If some have made her so, that's their problem. I do believe she had messages from God, that's my chosen belief.
I refuse to make the mother of Jesus Christ a goddess. She did not die for my sins, Jesus did. And if there had been no Mary, there would have been another vessel chosen. She wisely chose to accept the honor of being the mother to the Son of God. I think she would be horrified that people worship her, as would any of the desciples. Even the angels would not allow a man to worship them--Rev 19:10--"...And he said unto me, See thou do it not. I am thine fellow servant, and of thy brethren, that have the testimony of Jesus: Worship God..."
But neither did any angel bow down or worship us, and that included Mary.

In 90 days Christ is not returning--not because He couldn't, but simply because, if for no other reason, He is not about to come at the beck and call of anyone. God alone knows when the time is right, anyone else, like the million or so before them, is only guessing. In 90 days someone is going to be looking as foolish as all the others. I wish He were coming, I hope for it to be soon, I'm tired of the squabbles over His word, tired of the pain, suffering, tears, sin, and I'm really wanting to have my dream fulfilled---that of my husband and I running towards Jesus, hands together--see ya all there, right or wrong, all will be there!

 

[mog144]

Oh, boy---when someone wants attention, they get it one way or another.---It is self glorification disguised as enlightening us poor fools. When one is more worried about proving how right they are and how wrong the whole rest of the world is---well, something's rotten in Denmark.---All Christian faiths have got right and wrong--simply because we live in an imperfect world. All anyone wants is to do the will of God. We can be mislead, misguided, misinterpret and allow pride to make us oblivious to God's truth.----So, as for me, I choose to hold the bible as my rule of thumb. I'm an SDA,but EGW is not, and has never been our God. If some have made her so, that's their problem. I do believe she had messages from God, that's my chosen belief.
I refuse to make the mother of Jesus Christ a goddess. She did not die for my sins, Jesus did. And if there had been no Mary, there would have been another vessel chosen. She wisely chose to accept the honor of being the mother to the Son of God. I think she would be horrified that people worship her, as would any of the desciples. Even the angels would not allow a man to worship them--Rev 19:10--"...And he said unto me, See thou do it not. I am thine fellow servant, and of thy brethren, that have the testimony of Jesus: Worship God..."
But neither did any angel bow down or worship us, and that included Mary.

In 90 days Christ is not returning--not because He couldn't, but simply because, if for no other reason, He is not about to come at the beck and call of anyone. God alone knows when the time is right, anyone else, like the million or so before them, is only guessing. In 90 days someone is going to be looking as foolish as all the others. I wish He were coming, I hope for it to be soon, I'm tired of the squabbles over His word, tired of the pain, suffering, tears, sin, and I'm really wanting to have my dream fulfilled---that of my husband and I running towards Jesus, hands together--see ya all there, right or wrong, all will be there!

Hear the Voice of Liberated Woman, this is what God will silence as loose lips sinks ships! LOL

 

[ViaCrucis]

If it was culturally appropriate, in our culture addressing one's own mother as "woman" is highly disrespectful. In Jesus' culture it was a polite address, it was analogous to saying "Madam", which itself means "my lady".

The Lord wouldn't disrespected His own mother, we can safely acknowledge that He knew the commandment to honor one's parents more than anyone else.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[AHJE]

Oh, boy---when someone wants attention, they get it one way or another.---It is self glorification disguised as enlightening us poor fools. When one is more worried about proving how right they are and how wrong the whole rest of the world is---well, something's rotten in Denmark.---All Christian faiths have got right and wrong--simply because we live in an imperfect world. All anyone wants is to do the will of God. We can be mislead, misguided, misinterpret and allow pride to make us oblivious to God's truth.----So, as for me, I choose to hold the bible as my rule of thumb. I'm an SDA,but EGW is not, and has never been our God. If some have made her so, that's their problem. I do believe she had messages from God, that's my chosen belief.
I refuse to make the mother of Jesus Christ a goddess. She did not die for my sins, Jesus did. And if there had been no Mary, there would have been another vessel chosen. She wisely chose to accept the honor of being the mother to the Son of God. I think she would be horrified that people worship her, as would any of the desciples. Even the angels would not allow a man to worship them--Rev 19:10--"...And he said unto me, See thou do it not. I am thine fellow servant, and of thy brethren, that have the testimony of Jesus: Worship God..."
But neither did any angel bow down or worship us, and that included Mary.

In 90 days Christ is not returning--not because He couldn't, but simply because, if for no other reason, He is not about to come at the beck and call of anyone. God alone knows when the time is right, anyone else, like the million or so before them, is only guessing. In 90 days someone is going to be looking as foolish as all the others. I wish He were coming, I hope for it to be soon, I'm tired of the squabbles over His word, tired of the pain, suffering, tears, sin, and I'm really wanting to have my dream fulfilled---that of my husband and I running towards Jesus, hands together--see ya all there, right or wrong, all will be there!

Who do you see here worshiping Mary? Who here said that she is a Goddess?

Didn't Jesus command us to NOT bear false witness?

Examine yourself.

 

[mog144]

Equating female flesh with male flesh is an abomination to God's Authoritative creation order????!!!----- #(1) So, Adam, before the fall, when seeing Eve said "this is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh.."--he was saying an abomination to God??--Don't get this. A man will leave his mother and his father and shall cleave unto his wife and the two shall become one flesh.--That's an abomination??
#(2) Man is the head of the woman, Christ is the head of the man--that's what God said. So do not understand your 1st day of the second week being when God created woman--Where you there??

(1) May I point out that you must realize the times in which this takes place. First note that you state: "before the fall", this said, I talk about the fallen man, after the fall. We must not confuse the Glorified man with the fallen man for this is a serious downfall of most Bible readers, and yes, I know how to read. So, your point is pointless because you misunderstand my point.

(2) Here you admit to the rank that God commanded to the fallen couple, albeit the commandment was no different whether they were fallen or Glorfied. The commandment was given them on day 6, they then, after their fall had to be told what the Law was, just as God had to give Israel the commandments in stone so that they have it as a testimony, and it still applies today even in our fallen nature.

Just because we are fallen, it doesn't render that same Law null and void and it doesn't give us excuse to violate the same rank that you specified: God the Father is head of Christ, Christ is head of man, man is head of woman, this said, the only way that the woman can equate with Christ is through the man because he is her covering, as Grace is man's covering that which is for the man to use faithfully to cover his household. It's passed down through rank.

God's ranking system is exactly like our military ranking system. From whom do you suppose that man learned this?

When Women's Liberation ordained women equal with men it was like equating a Private with a General, you cannot have both men sitting in the same seat and giving ORDERS. It's also unlawful to drive a car with two adults behind the same wheel and in the same seat, it's dangerous to yourself and to other drivers, as well. We have violated God's Authoritative Order.

Christ came once to fulfill the Law and the Prophets and He must come again to restore that which He had done on the Cross. To fulfill the Law and the Prophets means that He comes again and sits in that Throne that which was stolen from Him, and He will reign as Ruler once again in the New Jerusalem.

We are lost without Him and He is coming again to Redeem His chosen children from total destruction. His children are still here and He has tarried long enough. Judgment has been determined so that the Father may then send His Son to perform the Harvest, for it is near ripe.

The Harvest is almost ready and He cannot wait too long as the grain will rot on the stalk. We who are not in darkness will know approximately when by the times and seasons, and the wicked are the ones who haven't a clue as to when He is coming, for they are overtaken when He comes like a thief in the night.

 

[winifred]

... there was no further creation after the sixth day of the first week - Mary was created on the sixth day - the same day as Adam - twinc

Hello Twinc,

Why do you say that Mary was created on the sixth day?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Wings

 

[twinc]

Hello Twinc,

Why do you say that Mary was created on the sixth day?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Wings[/quote

there was only six days of creation - Mary as bone of his bone,flesh of his flesh and man[kind]as male and female was created on the sixth day - twinc

 

[paul becke]

Good point, I never gave that much thought before. Thanks

That was implicit, when Gabriel told her she would give birth to Jesus. Arguably, it was the main point of his visit - certainly, indispensable that she should know it.

 

[paul becke]

His address to her was polite, within the etiquette during that time.

Precisely. The question really is closed. So, that's your answer, twinc.