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I emphasize the gender in Creation because it is of the final issue. This has been hidden from you. I can't make you believe but maybe God can when He throws Fire down from heaven on top of your head. He does this to awaken all of the 10 slumbering virgins.

The problem with all of the exalted people on this forum is that they believe that they are awake even when Scripture says that they slumber.

I suppose that you don't believe in the Last-day messenger either, the one who brings the Elijah message.

The same thing happened to John the baptist when He endeavored to prepare the way for the coming Messiah. He was beheaded. When will you vipers wake up and see that your destruction is about to come upon you?

How much longer do you suppose that God will allow this filth to continue in the Catholic church? Thousands of innocent children have been destroyed by their sexual lusts.

I was raised as a Catholic, attended school for two years (5th grade twice) before my parents discovered that their children were being beaten in front of the entire class for not knowing the answer to a question? The Nuns beat us over the head with huge books until we got the answer correct. We were whipped with wooden yard sticks that had big brass ends until welts plagued the back of my thighs and buttocks.

Students were ordered to clean up vomit when another student got sick in class. What is going on in the Catholic church today? My mind has been scarred by the brutal beatings that I suffered. The palms of my hands swollen from being beaten with thick wooden yard sticks made like an axe handle.

They failed me the first year, the second year I escaped! I thought that my parents would never pull us out and save us but they finally did. I'm so glad that no Priest or Nun ever sexually abused me. God was watching over me to some level.

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Mog 144,

I am very sorry to hear about your suffering.

I suggest that you find a lawfully ordained and consecrated Presbyter or Bishop of Jesus Christ to speak about your problems that you feel inside about Holy Mother Church.

God loves you and Jesus hates all manner of sin no matter from where it comes even if from those from within his fold. But He is slow to anger and rich in Mercy. And He promised that the gates of Hell will not prevail against His Instituted Church, built upon the Rock (Kephas in Aramaic) (Petros in Greek, Peter in English).

Ask the Holy Spirit to grant you the grace of being able to forgive and to seek a new beginning with Jesus in the Holy Eucharist.

God bless you.
 
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Mog 144,

I am very sorry to hear about your suffering.

I suggest that you find a lawfully ordained and consecrated Presbyter or Bishop of Jesus Christ to speak about your problems that you feel inside about Holy Mother Church.

God loves you and Jesus hates all manner of sin no matter from where it comes even if from those from within his fold. But He is slow to anger and rich in Mercy. And He promised that the gates of Hell will not prevail against His Instituted Church, built upon the Rock (Kephas in Aramaic) (Petros in Greek, Peter in English).

Ask the Holy Spirit to grant you the grace of being able to forgive and to seek a new beginning with Jesus in the Holy Eucharist.

God bless you.
Only those who repent will be forgiven. I don't forgive rebels!
 
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What was Eve's name before she sinned? What was the sinless Eve called by Adam?

Woman and is spoke of here...

Ephes 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

And while Mary and his brethren were without

Mark 3:33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?

Mark 3:34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Elizabeth:thumbsup:

Luke 1:42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.


Displacement coming to pass

Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

Luke 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
 
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Woman and is spoke of here...

Ephes 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

And while Mary and his brethren were without

Mark 3:33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?

Mark 3:34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Elizabeth:thumbsup:

Luke 1:42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.


Displacement coming to pass

Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

Luke 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

So, your answer is "Woman" ... "Woman" is the name of the sinless Eve (even before she was named "Eve"), is that correct?_____ YES or NO _______
 
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So, your answer is "Woman" ... "Woman" is the name of the sinless Eve (even before she was named "Eve"), is that correct?_____ YES or NO _______

Paul speaks of it here

Ephes 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.


Romans 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.
 
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Wow. This thread got weird.

At any rate, Jesus called His mother 'woman' in a couple of places.

In one place, it was: "And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.”" (John 2:4) It sounds like a snarky term in context. Like, 'woman, get me a sandwich", or something.

But he also used it here to Mary: "When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!”" (John 19:26)

And here to the Gentile woman: Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour." (Matthew 15:28)

And here to the Samaritan woman: "Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem."

No snark at all.

So the term probably just has a rough sound to the ears of our culture.

these women were not His mother - the question was ? - twinc
 
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No you do not because you leave out genders. You have accepted the NWO m.o.b. and your mind is seared as with a hot iron. All of the world is presently masquerading as gods, apart from God. This is the unpardonable sin and it will take a hammer to break the hard outer crust of the hardened heart in order to see the Light of the Truth when He comes. Otherwise you will mistake Him for the antichrist and seek to crucify Him as the former has. Please study the 1848 WLM and note that the Sept 2, 1859 massive solar eruption occurred just 11 years afterwards, it was God's Wrath upon the world but this has been covered up to hide the transgressions of the two women who represented Church and State that passed the law to ordain women as equals to men. This violated God's ACO. A massive solar eruption is coming again just 11 years after 9-1-1.

Oh... what a lost world!


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Jesus calling of his mother, woman has more to do with what the Father was opening to Jesus (as the process of the marriage feast was being opened to him, an eating of the Father), than it has to do with his natural mother. She offered what could have become to him a distraction from what the Father was opening to him, but he did not eat.

When you eat you become an accuser, an adversary, a serpent in the path, one who scatters and does not gather, this is firstly to yourself and thereby to those all around you.

There is no shadow of turning in this.
 
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I like these too

2Cr 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

2Cr 11:2 But I fear, lest by any means,as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Ephes 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother,:idea: and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

Ephes 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.


Romans 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.
 
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Paul speaks of it here

Ephes 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.


Romans 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.

Do you have difficulty answering a simple YES or NO question?

I repeat my question:

So, your answer is "Woman" ... "Woman" is the name of the sinless Eve (even before she was named "Eve"), is that correct?_____ YES or NO _______
 
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You are either mocking me because you misunderstand me or you agree because you do understand about the "ORDER" issue. Which is it?

BTW, the Father is the Seed of ALL Creation, including the woman who was made on the first day of the second week following the close of Creation.

There is an ORDER, just as you said but without exalting the woman as you do.

there was no further creation after the sixth day of the first week - Mary was created on the sixth day - the same day as Adam - twinc
 
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Do you have difficulty answering a simple YES or NO question?

I repeat my question:

Yes I have such great difficulty, the topic of Mary has been my topic for 5 years in Mariology, Im a little bored of it, but I should know better then to come into one because she is pretty much your gospel, the resurrection preached, even as she is my own familys. Where the apostles dont speak in the same manner of her. After acts and the one reference theres not much gone into in respects to her (well as they do today)

He was made of a woman made under the law, is their mention of her.

Just not interested, and I dont believe the east gate is her vagina, or that the whole thing can be compared to a burning bush ordeal or that Joseph had another wife and all the rest of it.
 
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Jesus calling of his mother, woman has more to do with what the Father was opening to Jesus (as the process of the marriage feast was being opened to him, an eating of the Father), than it has to do with his natural mother. She offered what could have become to him a distraction from what the Father was opening to him, but he did not eat.

When you eat you become an accuser, an adversary, a serpent in the path, one who scatters and does not gather, this is firstly to yourself and thereby to those all around you.

There is no shadow of turning in this.

Very good but you, me and all of the entire world has eaten of the forbidden fruit. This is the whole purpose of God performing a Harvest. As the prophets said, no man is righteous and all of the remnant who are saved must be refined, this said, we are all sinners and all fall short of Glory and Grace until each of us are rewarded.

If you drive a car and don't know that it's a man-made object that God sees as an abomination then you are asleep. The car is just one example of every single thing that man has made or done on this earth. My Father is coming to destroy all of this garbage that technology has done to our world. He will destroy those who have strip-mined His once Beautiful Regenerating Machine called Earth and melt the elements that man has gathered with fervent heat so that all that man has done is destroyed, including all those who cling to any part of anything that is man-made.

You must become spiritually reliant on the Father's Spirit or else you will perish. The satan has the world living for the moment in this spiritual Egypt/Sodom and they will fall to either side of the fence when God shakes it violently in approx 90 days or less. You only have a short wait to see if I'm full of dung or not, so be patient and see what comes in that time.

But remember this, when the massive solar blast does impact the earth then will be the end of all electronic devices on Earth. No Internet, no CF, and no communication what so ever. Only God's people will know what to do and only they will have the power of survival.

The world will become "Stir Crazy" as the Earth's magnetic Polarity goes abroad. One day soon I hope to post all of the relevant Scriptures that depict the solar blast and polarity change in Earth. Meanwhile you can watch an old Sci-fi movie called "Forbidden Planet" and see exactly how they mock this coming change in the polarity of Earth and of human minds.

All natural elements will be affected by the polarity change. Only God's remnant who have the gift of knowledge will remain sane. This will continue for the 1000 days that approximate a sequence of three orbits around the Sun to simulate the death, burial and resurrection of the global Earth.

Heaven is about three earth years away and it will be absolutely incredible to see, as we humans use only 2% of one-tenth of our brain, so will Heaven be 100% of this spec that we are.

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Yes I have such great difficulty, the topic of Mary has been my topic for 5 years in Mariology, Im a little bored of it, but I should know better then to come into one because she is pretty much your gospel, the resurrection preached, even as she is my own familys. Where the apostles dont speak in the same manner of her. After acts and the one reference theres not much gone into in respects to her (well as they do today)

He was made of a woman made under the law, is their mention of her.

Just not interested, and I dont believe the east gate is her vagina, or that the whole thing can be compared to a burning bush ordeal or that Joseph had another wife and all the rest of it.

Indeed Mary is part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, like it or not. Such hostility in speaking about the Mother of our Savior but I'm sure no problems exist in speaking about Abraham for instance.

That is unfortunate.

Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ come in the flesh [Flesh of Mary's flesh] is antiChrist.

God love you.
 
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Indeed Mary is part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, like it or not. Such hostility in speaking about the Mother of our Savior but I'm sure no problems exist in speaking about Abraham for instance.

That is unfortunate.

Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ come in the flesh [Flesh of Mary's flesh] is antiChrist.

God love you.

I dont think not glorying in the flesh is equal to denying he is come in the flesh, nice try though
 
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I dont think not glorying in the flesh is equal to denying he is come in the flesh, nice try though

No one is speaking of glorying in the flesh, Fireinfolding, but rather about the Gospel, ... the FULL and unadulterated Gospel of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

No Christian has done the Will of the Father as the All-Holy and Immaculate Mary has done. Indeed, ... it was the gracious will and good pleasure of God that there should be a PERFECT Christian, Kecharitomene, Full of Grace.

God bless you.
 
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If you just stick to what is written, undulterated

Sign to the House of David...

And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you (O house of David) a sign;

Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. (God with us)

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself

And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem;

(Because he was of the house and lineage of David)

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.

Hear ye now, O house of David;

But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:

for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

The Lord himself shall give you a sign...

Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son...

Of Bethlehem...

And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth,into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David) To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;

Whose "goings forth" have been from of old, from everlasting.

And when he (Herod) had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them *where* Christ should *be born*.

Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?

And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet

To the virgin (Mary) espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

Behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.


Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;


He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.

Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph...

Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever.


And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son?

What think ye of Christ? whose son is he?

They say unto him, The Son of David.

If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

Apostles expound

He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Answering proverbs 30:4

Which is why they point out, David is not ascended

Again but on this account

And when he (Herod) had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet "out of thee" shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;

Whose "goings forth" have been from of old, from everlasting.

Which points out this...

For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses "spake nothing" concerning priesthood.

For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever "after the order "of Melchisedec.

For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

Because they asked him, Art thou "greater than "our father Abraham?

Hebrews answers in accord, saying, Now consider "how" great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

And verily they that are of "the sons of Levi", who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

But he whose descent is "not counted" from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

And here men that die receive tithes; "but there" he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that "he liveth".

And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest (which the psalms speak of) should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.

So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

Thus called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Again....

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet "out of thee" shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;

Whose "goings forth" have been from of old, from everlasting.

Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses "spake nothing" concerning priesthood.

So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him

The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
 
 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.

For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.

And so I dont deny he is come in the flesh but rather affirm it and glory in the cross of Christ
 
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No one is speaking of glorying in the flesh, Fireinfolding, but rather about the Gospel, ... the FULL and unadulterated Gospel of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

No Christian has done the Will of the Father as the All-Holy and Immaculate Mary has done. Indeed, ... it was the gracious will and good pleasure of God that there should be a PERFECT Christian, Kecharitomene, Full of Grace.

God bless you.

AHJE, do you admit to be exalting the woman of flesh over the Spirit of God the Father? Or are you truly ignorant of what this says? This quote advocates Eve's act of transgression.

I do already know the answer though, I was thinking that bringing this up would help you realize what Women's Liberation of 1848 has done to our world. Bless you :prayer:
 
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That is still exalting woman over GOD the Father. We must KNOW the FATHER in ORDER to KNOW the SON. Woman belongs were she was appointed.
Catholics claim to honor Sunday in the resurrection of Jesus Christ but that too is false because the first day of the SECOND week is when woman was made, in flesh.

Equating female flesh with male flesh is an abomination to God's Authoritative Creation Order.

Man and woman may ONLY be equated in obedience to God's ACO., this is how we become joint heirs. You must learn what Joint heirs means, and you must learn the TRUTH about the ALPHA so you may KNOW the OMEGA when He Comes. The Son will Return very shortly as Genesis and Revelation. According to your doctrine, The Son will come as Woman and Revelation.

You have a lot to learn and time is running out FAST!


Equating female flesh with male flesh is an abomination to God's Authoritative creation order????!!!-----So, Adam, before the fall, when seeing Eve said "this is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh.."--he was saying an abomination to God??--Don't get this. A man will leave his mother and his father and shall cleave unto his wife and the two shall become one flesh.--That's an abomination??
Man is the head of the woman, Christ is the head of the man--that's what God said. So do not understand your 1st day of the second week being when God created woman--Where you there??
 
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Equating female flesh with male flesh is an abomination to God's Authoritative creation order????!!!-----So, Adam, before the fall, when seeing Eve said "this is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh.."--he was saying an abomination to God??--Don't get this. A man will leave his mother and his father and shall cleave unto his wife and the two shall become one flesh.--That's an abomination??
Man is the head of the woman, Christ is the head of the man--that's what God said. So do not understand your 1st day of the second week being when God created woman--Where you there??

Well, you're an SDA, I used to be one too (10 intense years), the point that I make is spiritual, which must not be confused with the flesh. Equating the flesh IS an abomination because it is the Spirit of God that should be in us and be Glorified in us without emphasis on flesh. The Father is Spirit and the Son is both the Spirit of His Father and in Glorified flesh, unlike ours.

Your understanding is a mis-understanding of the Law of God. If you renounce His Law of man and woman that was established in Creation then you are violating the Sabbath just the same. Break one and break all. You know the routine.

Take your own advise and do your own thinking, it works!

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