Mother ?

[x141]

OH my goodness ... does edging Mary OUT go so far as THIS?

Why is there such a propensity among some to give great credit to Abraham, David, Saul/Paul, but NOT to the Mother of our Blessed Lord and Redeemer?

Here in this moment I quote Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta:

"No Mary? ... No Jesus."


Case closed.

God bless you.

I don't think this is a Mary bashing ceremony. Jesus' walk was a prophetic one, a walk that revealed depths that have not been seen as of yet.

Can the Word of God be measured, or can one say, this is all there is to the understanding of God, or to a passage of scripture. To me, this would be no different that exalting your throne above the throne of God, it brings you down to the sides of a pit.

 

[x141]

unless of course there was a good reason for doing so - in which your answer would be yes - more later - twinc

Is now later yet ...

 

[AHJE]

I am very sorry, ... my quote was incomplete. Here goes the full quote:

"No Mary, No Jesus. Know Mary, Know Jesus." -- Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta.

Praised be Jesus Christ, the Eternal Son of the Eternal Father,
... and in the Fullness of Time, from the moment of His Mother's YES, the Incarnate Son of the Ever-Virgin and Immaculate Mary! ALLELUIA!

 

[mog144]

Mary is a picture of something just like Hagar was, or Sari, or Sarah or Esau or Dan. It is not of gender but of order.

You are either mocking me because you misunderstand me or you agree because you do understand about the "ORDER" issue. Which is it?

BTW, the Father is the Seed of ALL Creation, including the woman who was made on the first day of the second week following the close of Creation.

There is an ORDER, just as you said but without exalting the woman as you do.

 

[AHJE]

Jesus Christ was well before Mary, his existence isnt dependant on Mary, hers is.

I never said that He wasn't, nor Blessed Mother Teresa, ... if you read closely you will see the wisdom of her words. She knows as I do that Jesus is God who created His own Mother.

But, ... ... ... this God ... God the Son ... "became" man in the WOMB of the Blessed Virgin Mary BY THE WILL OF GOD. Such was His gracious will and good pleasure.

He could have chosen another vessel through whom to come through, God isnt limited by his own creation

He also could have forseen Eve's sin and created another woman in her place. But this was not God's gracious will and good pleasure. He created Eve who said NO to God and sinned.

You do not know nor does anyone else know if God WOULD WILL to create another besides the All-Holy and Immaculate Virgin Mary ... who said YES and was Full of Grace.

God be praised in all His designs.

 

[x141]

You are either mocking me because you misunderstand me or you agree because you do understand about the "ORDER" issue. Which is it?

BTW, the Father is the Seed of ALL Creation, including the woman who was made on the first day of the second week following the close of Creation.

There is an ORDER, just as you said but without exalting the woman as you do.

I understand order.

 

[mog144]

I am very sorry, ... my quote was incomplete. Here goes the full quote:

"No Mary, No Jesus. Know Mary, Know Jesus." -- Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta.

Praised be Jesus Christ, the Eternal Son of the Eternal Father,
... and in the Fullness of Time, from the moment of His Mother's YES, the Incarnate Son of the Ever-Virgin and Immaculate Mary! ALLELUIA!

That is still exalting woman over GOD the Father. We must KNOW the FATHER in ORDER to KNOW the SON. Woman belongs were she was appointed.
Catholics claim to honor Sunday in the resurrection of Jesus Christ but that too is false because the first day of the SECOND week is when woman was made, in flesh.

Equating female flesh with male flesh is an abomination to God's Authoritative Creation Order.

Man and woman may ONLY be equated in obedience to God's ACO., this is how we become joint heirs. You must learn what Joint heirs means, and you must learn the TRUTH about the ALPHA so you may KNOW the OMEGA when He Comes. The Son will Return very shortly as Genesis and Revelation. According to your doctrine, The Son will come as Woman and Revelation.

You have a lot to learn and time is running out FAST!

 

[x141]

We must be careful how we hear.

 

[x141]

the first day of the SECOND week is when woman was made, in flesh.

Where do you gather this from.

 

[mog144]

I never said that He wasn't, nor Blessed Mother Teresa, ... if you read closely you will see the wisdom of her words. She knows as I do that Jesus is God who created His own Mother.

But, ... ... ... this God ... God the Son ... "became" man in the WOMB of the Blessed Virgin Mary BY THE WILL OF GOD. Such was His gracious will and good pleasure.


He also could have forseen Eve's sin and created another woman in her place. But this was not God's gracious will and good pleasure. He created Eve who said NO to God and sinned.

You do not know nor does anyone else know if God WOULD WILL to create another besides the All-Holy and Immaculate Virgin Mary ... who said YES and was Full of Grace.

God be praised in all His designs.

What a bunch of hype! God would NEVER change anything that He originally designed before Creation so that He would accommodate the evil works of satan. You better get your facts straight mister! God is coming and He will not spare rebels who exalt woman over Him!

 

[mog144]

Where do you gather this from.

From Genesis, KJV. You can't see it because of the world wide deception brought onto us by the New World Order of Women's Liberation of 1848. There's a lot of prophecy that you are not seeing because your mind has power over flesh and flesh over spirit. What a brood of vipers!

 

[seeingeyes]

Wow. This thread got weird.

At any rate, Jesus called His mother 'woman' in a couple of places.

In one place, it was: "And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.”" (John 2:4) It sounds like a snarky term in context. Like, 'woman, get me a sandwich", or something.

But he also used it here to Mary: "When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!”" (John 19:26)

And here to the Gentile woman: Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour." (Matthew 15:28)

And here to the Samaritan woman: "Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem."

No snark at all.

So the term probably just has a rough sound to the ears of our culture.

 

[AHJE]

That is still exalting woman over GOD the Father. We must KNOW the FATHER in ORDER to KNOW the SON. Woman belongs were she was appointed.

I am doing no such thing as putting woman over God by nature.

Why are you bringing out these gender roles and issues? We know what God says about man and woman.

Question: You have a human nature. Would you say that a person can know you all the better for having known your mother?

 

[mog144]

I understand order.

No you do not because you leave out genders. You have accepted the NWO m.o.b. and your mind is seared as with a hot iron. All of the world is presently masquerading as gods, apart from God. This is the unpardonable sin and it will take a hammer to break the hard outer crust of the hardened heart in order to see the Light of the Truth when He comes. Otherwise you will mistake Him for the antichrist and seek to crucify Him as the former has. Please study the 1848 WLM and note that the Sept 2, 1859 massive solar eruption occurred just 11 years afterwards, it was God's Wrath upon the world but this has been covered up to hide the transgressions of the two women who represented Church and State that passed the law to ordain women as equals to men. This violated God's ACO. A massive solar eruption is coming again just 11 years after 9-1-1.

Oh... what a lost world!

 

[AHJE]

Wow. This thread got weird.

At any rate, Jesus called His mother 'woman' in a couple of places.

In one place, it was: "And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.”" (John 2:4) It sounds like a snarky term in context. Like, 'woman, get me a sandwich", or something.

But he also used it here to Mary: "When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!”" (John 19:26)

And here to the Gentile woman: Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour." (Matthew 15:28)

And here to the Samaritan woman: "Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem."

No snark at all.

So the term probably just has a rough sound to the ears of our culture.

There is just one problem with this ... neither the Gentile woman nor the Samaritan woman is the MOTHER of Jesus (Immanuel).

 

[Fireinfolding]

I never said that He wasn't, nor Blessed Mother Teresa, ... if you read closely you will see the wisdom of her words. She knows as I do that Jesus is God who created His own Mother.

But, ... ... ... this God ... God the Son ... "became" man in the WOMB of the Blessed Virgin Mary BY THE WILL OF GOD. Such was His gracious will and good pleasure.


He also could have forseen Eve's sin and created another woman in her place. But this was not God's gracious will and good pleasure. He created Eve who said NO to God and sinned.

You do not know nor does anyone else know if God WOULD WILL to create another besides the All-Holy and Immaculate Virgin Mary ... who said YES and was Full of Grace.

God be praised in all His designs.

Former cathloic, so I know how this goes.

He was made of a woman made under the law, is all that is said of the apostles, and according to the prophecy as foretold, no more is mentioned. And even the gospel itself (or what was first of all preached of them) doesnt even mention it in 1 Cr 15.

I acknowledge the same but I dont go onto to bless her paps and womb and all of that. Blessed indeed, but not to worship her but follow her example to magnify the Lord (as she did) not displace him as others seem to do with her (as if she would ever desire that).

 

[x141]

From Genesis, KJV. You can't see it because of the world wide deception brought onto us by the New World Order of Women's Liberation of 1848. There's a lot of prophecy that you are not seeing because your mind has power over flesh and flesh over spirit. What a brood of vipers!

Could you be more specific as to what defines the second week to you.

 

[AHJE]

Former cathloic, so I know how this goes.

He was made of a woman made under the law, is all that is said of the apostles, and according to the prophecy as foretold, no more is mentioned. And even the gospel itself (or what was first of all preached of them) doesnt even mention it in 1 Cr 15.

I acknowledge the same but I dont go onto to bless her paps and womb and all of that. Blessed indeed, but not to worship her but follow her example to magnify the Lord (as she did) not displace him as others seem to do with her (as if she would ever desire that).

What was Eve's name before she sinned? What was the sinless Eve called by Adam?

 

[mog144]

I am doing no such thing as putting woman over God by nature.

Why are you bringing out these gender roles and issues? We know what God says about man and woman.

Question: You have a human nature. Would you say that a person can know you all the better for having known your mother?

I emphasize the gender in Creation because it is of the final issue. This has been hidden from you. I can't make you believe but maybe God can when He throws Fire down from heaven on top of your head. He does this to awaken all of the 10 slumbering virgins.

The problem with all of the exalted people on this forum is that they believe that they are awake even when Scripture says that they slumber.

I suppose that you don't believe in the Last-day messenger either, the one who brings the Elijah message.

The same thing happened to John the baptist when He endeavored to prepare the way for the coming Messiah. He was beheaded. When will you vipers wake up and see that your destruction is about to come upon you?

How much longer do you suppose that God will allow this filth to continue in the Catholic church? Thousands of innocent children have been destroyed by their sexual lusts.

I was raised as a Catholic, attended school for two years (5th grade twice) before my parents discovered that their children were being beaten in front of the entire class for not knowing the answer to a question! The Nuns beat us over the head with huge books until we got the answer correct. I was whipped with wooden yard sticks that had big brass ends until welts plagued the back of my thighs and buttocks.

Students were ordered to clean up vomit when another student got sick in class. What is going on in the Catholic church today? My mind has been scarred by the brutal beatings that I suffered. The palms of my hands swollen from being beaten with thick wooden yard sticks made like an axe handle.

They failed me the first year, the second year I escaped! I thought that my parents would never pull us out and save us but they finally did. I'm so glad that no Priest or Nun ever sexually abused me. God was watching over me to some level.

 

[mog144]

Could you be more specific as to what defines the second week to you.

Certainly, no problem... read my thread and study it closely. It's all there. I will not rewrite what is in front of you. Bless you for asking.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7675211/