Most reliable method of preserving doctrine?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Most personal Protestant Pope's measure of their own truth is based on circular reasoning, and that's highly dangerous; that the Holy Spirit will guide them and therefore whatever conclusion that they come to was guided by the Holy Spirit.

Which Protestants' have a pope besides the RCC

http://www.christianforums.com/t7325781-104/
Pope, King of the world?

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Apparently people have different pieces of it

Only interpretation of the bible are wrong...and there are many opinions of scripture.

 

[ivebeenshown]

Apparently people have different pieces of it

I'll trade you a Baptismzard for a Speakitungz. That would complete my collection.

 

[Montalban]

Why would God use infallible men (the church)
to uphold His truth? Because HE gets ALL the glory!

Huh?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I'll trade you a Baptismzard for a Speakitungz. That would complete my collection.

What collection is that

 

[ivebeenshown]

Only interpretation of the bible are wrong...and there are many opinions of scripture.

If God gives one the gift of teaching, that person and all others with the gift could only teach Truth otherwise God would be the author of confusion.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

If God gives one the gift of teaching, that person and all others with the gift could only teach Truth otherwise God would be the author of confusion.

Yeah, I hear dat!

1 Corinthians 14:33 for not is of tulmuts/confusion/akatastasiaV <181> the God, but of peace as in all the Outcalleds of the Saints.

Luke 21:9 Whenever yet ye should be hearing battles and tumults/akatastasiaV <181> no may be being dismayed, for is binding these to be becoming
but not immediately the end

http://www.christianforums.com/t7444613/#post54523949
Babylon = Imitation of RCC?

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

If God gives one the gift of teaching, that person and all others with the gift could only teach Truth otherwise God would be the author of confusion.

Where scripture needs to be ignored to uphold beliefs then I agree. Generally those are juxtapositioned however.

 

[Sidheil]

Most personal Protestant Pope's measure of their own truth is based on circular reasoning, and that's highly dangerous; that the Holy Spirit will guide them and therefore whatever conclusion that they come to was guided by the Holy Spirit.

It's good that you have an ability to question this - self-reflection can be a good thing.

However, sola scriptura is not infallible, because it is a man-made dogma dating back only some 500 years.

The church is infallible.

No doubt

Again, Sola Scriptura wouldn't be infallible, just correct.

As for the Holy Spirit guiding us...the only answers I can think of are 1) the Holy Spirit isn't guiding us, the Holy Spirit is guiding Christianity as a whole (though I don't know that would bear up under examination), and 2) the Holy Spirit is guiding us, but we are following imperfectly.

 

[OpenDoor]

The gates of hell will not prevail against the Church -- surely this means the Church is infallible?

Challenge

 

[sunlover1]

So Jesus says that the gates of hell won't prevail against his church, he means that the gates of hell won't prevail against his church!

Isn't it nice how that balances out?
And notice it doesnt say that the Church is infallible.
My basketball team is made up of good guys.
West side is a bully team.
West side hurt some of our guys,
confused the refs.. and made a lot of points
But! They did not prevail !!

Originally Posted by sunlover1

Why would God use fallible men (the church)
to uphold His truth? Because HE gets ALL the glory!
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How do a bunch of people who disagree with each other on what Scripture is, whether Jesus is God or not, what we must do to be saved, what hell and heaven are -- in short, what the truth is -- glorify God?

So study it like He said to and learn how to "rightly divide" the word!
God's idea, not mine.

 

[Montalban]

Isn't it nice how that balances out?

That's not balance.

And notice it doesnt say that the Church is infallible.

That's what it means.

 

[Montalban]

So study it like He said to and learn how to "rightly divide" the word!
God's idea, not mine.

Circular logic.

Study it until it just is as you think it is. Then, it is!

 

[Montalban]

Again, Sola Scriptura wouldn't be infallible, just correct.

It's neither. I prefer to go with what's both.

 

[Rick Otto]

Circular logic.

Study it until it just is as you think it is. Then, it is!

Chronic denial.









Call it "Circular Logic". then it is!

 

[Rick Otto]

It's neither. I prefer to go with what's both.

It's both.
Denial goes with personal preference over truth.

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=Montalban;That's not balance

News flash from the critic of "Just so" statements?
That's what it means.[/quote]
To anyone in denial of the truth.

 

[Montalban]

Wow! I think I hit a raw nerve.

Hopefully I will be able to see how the canon (or bits therein) are examined by some Protestants

 

[Montalban]

Chronic denial.

Does chronic here mean 'all the time'?

 

[MrPolo]

When we pitch God's view by requiring one human interpretation above it, then we're not preserving doctrine. We're preserving human opinion.

If I may say, that describes any brand of solo/sola scriptura I know, but at least we have your analysis.