Mormonism

[crossbearer22]

Hey, so I live in the Mormon capital of the world and all my family is Mormon besides my mom and I. I wanna know how you would go about telling them the true story about Christ and stuff. I mean they just don't want to hear it espicially that they dont have to do good works to get to heaven. I need help thanks.

 

[AdJesumPerMariam]

Hi! If you can PM me, we can go over all of that! I would love to help you!


Love-n-Blessings!
dee

 

[AMMON]

Hey, so I live in the Mormon capital of the world and all my family is Mormon besides my mom and I. I wanna know how you would go about telling them the true story about Christ and stuff. I mean they just don't want to hear it espicially that they dont have to do good works to get to heaven. I need help thanks.

There are already TONS of threads on this in the Unorthodox section. Mods, can you move this?

 

[AMMON]

There are already TONS of threads on this in the Unorthodox section. Mods, can you move this?

Thanks!

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Hey, so I live in the Mormon capital of the world and all my family is Mormon besides my mom and I. I wanna know how you would go about telling them the true story about Christ and stuff. I mean they just don't want to hear it espicially that they dont have to do good works to get to heaven. I need help thanks.

Crossbearer, I was lds for 28 years and all of my relitives are still LDS. I would be more than happy to discuss with you what brought me out of Mormonism and into the loving arms of Jesus. Just PM me if you are interested and will can chat about it.

God Bless,
Grace

 

[ByGrace]

I too was mormon. I left and have been saved by the FREE GRACE OF GOD since. I too live here in Salt Lake and would like to refer you to the lighthouse ministries. They have an extensive book store dealing with just these issues. They are on about 1400 south and west temple, across from the side of franklin covey field. There is a book there called A WITNESS TO MORMONS by CONCERNED CHRISTIANS that is a fantastic book and lays all of the false teachings of mormonism right next to the teachings of the Bible and is very reader friendly. Check it out. The Tanners are also very nice people, chat with them.

 

[ByGrace]

There are already TONS of threads on this in the Unorthodox section. Mods, can you move this?

Please dont come to a CHRISTIAN site and start trying to tell people where they can post. THANKS

 

[AMMON]

Please dont come to a CHRISTIAN site and start trying to tell people where they can post. THANKS

As a fellow Christian, I am confused by your tone. Further, the mods obviously agreed, as it was moved. Please calm down. You seem very bitter. Christ was not bitter.

 

[leeuniverse]

Hey, so I live in the Mormon capital of the world and all my family is Mormon besides my mom and I. I wanna know how you would go about telling them the true story about Christ and stuff. I mean they just don't want to hear it espicially that they dont have to do good works to get to heaven. I need help thanks.

Wo, unto those who tell God what is true..... FAITH and WORKS is important, NOT either/or!!!

Matt. 7:
20 Wherefore by their fruits• ye shall know them.

21 ¶ Not every one that saith• unto me, Lord•, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth• the will of my Father which is in heaven•.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied• in thy name? and in thy name• have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew• you: depart• from me, ye that work iniquity•.

24 ¶ Therefore whosoever heareth• these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I• will liken him unto a wise man, which built• his house upon a• rock:

Prov. 24:
12 If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth• the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he RENDER to every man ACCORDING TO his WORKS•?

Matt. 7:
16 Let your light• so shine before men, that they may see your good works•, and glorify• your Father which is in heaven.

James 2:
14 What• doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith•, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or asister be naked, and destitute of daily bfood,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye agive• them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith•, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works•.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils• also believe•, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works• is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified• by works, when he had offered• Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed• God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend• of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works• a man is JUSTIFIED, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise also was not Rahab• the harlot justified• by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

 

[gort]

Wo, unto those who tell God what is true.....

Hello,

a little heavy for a young person, don't ya think?

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[ByGrace]

As a fellow Christian, I am confused by your tone. Further, the mods obviously agreed, as it was moved. Please calm down. You seem very bitter. Christ was not bitter.

Yeah, yeah, I know that your church is driving to be seen as Christians but it really is not working. As long as you hold to heretical views and dont accept the Biblical Gospel then you are not Christian.

Furthermore, why would you want to be associated with a group that holds "creeds that are an abomination and is far from God????" At least be as honest as joseph smith was and slander us openly like he did. Come on now, isnt my Pastor, according to your temple ceremony pre-1990, a hireling of satan himself?

 

[ByGrace]

Wo, unto those who tell God what is true..... FAITH and WORKS is important, NOT either/or!!!

Yeah, thats right. You just work your way right on up there to heaven. What was it again that Jesus called the pharisees who thought the same thing? If you can work to get there, Jesus died for nothing. I for one will accept what He has already done for me and then do my works in my gratitude for his boundless love and mercy. I deserve nothing but death and hell but have been given life in Heaven with the one Holy God of the universe. I could NEVER have earned such a thing but my gratitude will be shown in how I now live my life.

 

[calgal]

As a fellow Christian, I am confused by your tone. Further, the mods obviously agreed, as it was moved. Please calm down. You seem very bitter. Christ was not bitter.

Question for Ammon: Do you accept the Nicene Creed, Athanasian creed or any creeds as valid? Please let us know. Thanks!

 

[Rescued One]

I too was mormon. I left and have been saved by the FREE GRACE OF GOD since. I too live here in Salt Lake and would like to refer you to the lighthouse ministries. They have an extensive book store dealing with just these issues. They are on about 1400 south and west temple, across from the side of franklin covey field. There is a book there called A WITNESS TO MORMONS by CONCERNED CHRISTIANS that is a fantastic book and lays all of the false teachings of mormonism right next to the teachings of the Bible and is very reader friendly. Check it out. The Tanners are also very nice people, chat with them.

Two marvelous ministries---those within the LDS church who are really seeking God eventually gain a lot of information and support from these two.

http://www.utlm.org/

http://www.concernedchristians.org/

 

[Rescued One]

Is faith without works dead? Yes. Can works contribute to our salvation? No.

Abraham was justified before God by his faith. God knew Abe's heart. Men cannot tell if you are Christian by looking at your heart. They are watching what you do.

Jesus told us to let our lights shine before men so that they would glorify our Father in heaven.

Romans 5
1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

But to be justified before men, they want to see our works.

 

[crossbearer22]

Sorry if I might have offended anyone but I was just wondering where to start but Ill pm some of you.

 

[elderbell]

You are all lost. What the Lord has said is that you cannot gain exhaltation on Works ALONE! You must give all you can, in your heart you know how much that is. And everyone's effort dwill be different depending on their capabilities. Then Christ, through atonement, makes up for what you can't. But through his plan if we exercise faith, obedience, and long suffering...not to mention develop the charity(pure love of christ)in our hearts AND through our works then we will see him in our countenance(not his ACTUAL face, but his same demeanor). Only those who have developed charity in their heart and works will enter in and well with him in the celestial kingdom. Another large part of that is being sealed for eternity with your companion and being a worthy member to enter into his temple and complete the temple ordinances that will allow those who did not recieve the gospel to accept it in the next life. Once we have entered into the celestial kingdom then we will be able to progress and perfect ourselves. Those who fall short of the Celestial Kingdom are subject to condemnation. Not in the sense of hell and Satan, but in the context that their progression stops. They can go no higher. So it is true, you can smoke, drink, and commit whoredoms if you want, and you will still be ressurected and have an immortal body. And in that sense, unless you deny the christ,(which very few actually have the physical opportunity to do) you will be in heaven. But not with your heavenly father, and not with the opportunity to do as our heavenly father has done. That is life eternal. I am saddened by those of you who have lost faith, who have fallen away. And to those of you who are offended by having your pastor called a "hireling of Satan". He is not apart of the one true Church, of the Restored Gospel. If he is leading those who are seeking truth to him and not to the Lord(the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints). Then he assisting Satan in establishing an abominable organization here on earth. You may not like hearing that, but you don't have the Keys to the Priesthood, you don't have all the truths. Your churches are flawed, they have been brought through the Great Apostasy and formed in man's carnal sense of interpretation of the Gospel. The carnal mind is under the influence of Satan and carries with it all that which is evil and corrupt in this probationary state. Thus as I have said before, those of you who follow in the steps of man build your testimony on a sandy foundation, subject to the winds of the tempter,to be rocked to and fro, instead of the enticings by which the Holy Ghost will make manifest Heavenly Father's Plan of Salvation, and all the truths of ordinance and prophecy that lay therein. We are Christian, the Church of who?...JESUS CHRIST! It is you who falsely attest to know Christ, not because you deny his existance, but because you forsake his restored principles. Imagine just how sorrowful the day when you stand before the Judgement Bar and are judged accordingly: that you denounced the literal gathering of Israel and aided in the deception by which you were also led, even though you were presented with the fruits of His kingdom through the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. I pray you open your spiritual eyes, for condemnation is a bitter cup(remember what context I use the word condemnation). Amen.

 

[twhite982]

Is faith without works dead? Yes. Can works contribute to our salvation? No.

Abraham was justified before God by his faith. God knew Abe's heart. Men cannot tell if you are Christian by looking at your heart. They are watching what you do.

Jesus told us to let our lights shine before men so that they would glorify our Father in heaven.

Romans 5
1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

But to be justified before men, they want to see our works.

Here is a little math for you.

A equals faith / belief
B equals works
C equals salvation

A plus B equals C

B alone does not equal C

A alone does not equal C

Only A plus B equals C.

You don't need to prove A or B to God. However A is proved to yourself through B and in this way we have confidence in God and His word.

Do ya "C" now?

Tom

 

[Doc T]

Here is a little math for you.

A equals faith / belief
B equals works
C equals salvation

A plus B equals C

B alone does not equal C

A alone does not equal C

Only A plus B equals C.

You don't need to prove A or B to God. However A is proved to yourself through B and in this way we have confidence in God and His word.

Do ya "C" now?

Tom

Doc: Good one. <grin>

~

 

[AMMON]

You are all lost. What the Lord has said is that you cannot gain exhaltation on Works ALONE! You must give all you can, in your heart you know how much that is. And everyone's effort dwill be different depending on their capabilities. Then Christ, through atonement, makes up for what you can't. But through his plan if we exercise faith, obedience, and long suffering...not to mention develop the charity(pure love of christ)in our hearts AND through our works then we will see him in our countenance(not his ACTUAL face, but his same demeanor). Only those who have developed charity in their heart and works will enter in and well with him in the celestial kingdom. Another large part of that is being sealed for eternity with your companion and being a worthy member to enter into his temple and complete the temple ordinances that will allow those who did not recieve the gospel to accept it in the next life. Once we have entered into the celestial kingdom then we will be able to progress and perfect ourselves. Those who fall short of the Celestial Kingdom are subject to condemnation. Not in the sense of hell and Satan, but in the context that their progression stops. They can go no higher. So it is true, you can smoke, drink, and commit whoredoms if you want, and you will still be ressurected and have an immortal body. And in that sense, unless you deny the christ,(which very few actually have the physical opportunity to do) you will be in heaven. But not with your heavenly father, and not with the opportunity to do as our heavenly father has done. That is life eternal. I am saddened by those of you who have lost faith, who have fallen away. And to those of you who are offended by having your pastor called a "hireling of Satan". He is not apart of the one true Church, of the Restored Gospel. If he is leading those who are seeking truth to him and not to the Lord(the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints). Then he assisting Satan in establishing an abominable organization here on earth. You may not like hearing that, but you don't have the Keys to the Priesthood, you don't have all the truths. Your churches are flawed, they have been brought through the Great Apostasy and formed in man's carnal sense of interpretation of the Gospel. The carnal mind is under the influence of Satan and carries with it all that which is evil and corrupt in this probationary state. Thus as I have said before, those of you who follow in the steps of man build your testimony on a sandy foundation, subject to the winds of the tempter,to be rocked to and fro, instead of the enticings by which the Holy Ghost will make manifest Heavenly Father's Plan of Salvation, and all the truths of ordinance and prophecy that lay therein. We are Christian, the Church of who?...JESUS CHRIST! It is you who falsely attest to know Christ, not because you deny his existance, but because you forsake his restored principles. Imagine just how sorrowful the day when you stand before the Judgement Bar and are judged accordingly: that you denounced the literal gathering of Israel and aided in the deception by which you were also led, even though you were presented with the fruits of His kingdom through the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. I pray you open your spiritual eyes, for condemnation is a bitter cup(remember what context I use the word condemnation). Amen.

^Epistle of Bell. I notice that a few of you like to write these. The problem is, almost none of us have the time to read through them. I would suggest that if you want to be read, keep your entries to a few sentences or short paragraphs. Just a suggestion.