Mormonism

[elderbell]

Sorry, I just write what I am inspire to write. Honestly, I just stop and feel it, then type. That is the word of God. You know something like that is true when you typed it and it humbles even you.

 

[Rescued One]

You are all lost.

I once was lost but now am found!

What the Lord has said is that you cannot gain exhaltation on Works ALONE!

What God said is that he who has the Son has life! Eternal life! We want to exalt God's name!

You must give all you can, in your heart you know how much that is. And everyone's effort dwill be different depending on their capabilities. Then Christ, through atonement, makes up for what you can't.

Maybe your christ hands out partial atonements, but ours doesn't.

But through his plan if we exercise faith, obedience, and long suffering...not to mention develop the charity(pure love of christ)in our hearts AND through our works then we will see him in our countenance(not his ACTUAL face, but his same demeanor). Only those who have developed charity in their heart and works will enter in and well with him in the celestial kingdom.

It's called heaven, and the other place is hell. Where you go depends on whether or not you have the Son, not on how many laws you kept.

Another large part of that is being sealed for eternity with your companion and being a worthy member to enter into his temple and complete the temple ordinances that will allow those who did not recieve the gospel to accept it in the next life.

Sorry...ordinances aren't the way. For by grace are ye saved through faith. We can't give people faith. If they die without faith, that's between them and God.

Those who fall short of the Celestial Kingdom are subject to condemnation.

All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. That's why Jesus came to pay for our sins. The believers are saved; the unbelievers are condemned.

Not in the sense of hell and Satan, but in the context that their progression stops. They can go no higher. So it is true, you can smoke, drink, and commit whoredoms if you want, and you will still be ressurected and have an immortal body. And in that sense, unless you deny the christ,(which very few actually have the physical opportunity to do) you will be in heaven.

No, Sir, those who commit whoredoms will not be in heaven. Christians don't commit whoredoms. Some of the unsaved might commit whoredoms, but if any man be in Christ he is a new creature.

But not with your heavenly father, and not with the opportunity to do as our heavenly father has done.

If God isn't there, it isn't heaven.

That is life eternal.

1 John 5
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

I am saddened by those of you who have lost faith, who have fallen away.

We have walked away from false prophets and teachers to find the God Who saves.

And to those of you who are offended by having your pastor called a "hireling of Satan". He is not apart of the one true Church, of the Restored Gospel. If he is leading those who are seeking truth to him and not to the Lord(the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints).

Our Lord isn't a church. We are His church.

Imagine just how sorrowful the day when you stand before the Judgement Bar and are judged accordingly: that you denounced the literal gathering of Israel and aided in the deception by which you were also led, even though you were presented with the fruits of His kingdom through the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. I pray you open your spiritual eyes, for condemnation is a bitter cup(remember what context I use the word condemnation). Amen.

How can we be sorry that Christ paid for our sins and our names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life?

We will sing praises to God for His mercy towards us who could never be worthy of the kind of love He has to give. Oh, how I love Jesus because He first loved me!

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Sorry, I just write what I am inspire to write. Honestly, I just stop and feel it, then type. That is the word of God. You know something like that is true when you typed it and it humbles even you.

Writing what you feel is the Word of God? I feel lots of different things at different times but would hardly call my feelings "The Word of God"....yikes!

Grace

 

[calgal]

Writing what you feel is the Word of God? I feel lots of different things at different times but would hardly call my feelings "The Word of God"....yikes!

Grace

That is a bit presumptuous to put oneself in the place of Paul, the Apostles (Christ's apostles that is) and the OT prophets. Almost sounds like the Pagan belief of the God/Goddess within doesn't it?

 

[gort]

Elderbell quotes:

Then Christ, through atonement, makes up for what you can't.

Unbiblical. Apparantly the LDS rendition of Grace, after all YOU can do.

Only those who have developed charity in their heart and works will enter in and well with him in the celestial kingdom

Unbiblical. It is by faith alone.

Once we have entered into the celestial kingdom then we will be able to progress and perfect ourselves.

Unbiblical. Please read revelations 22

Another large part of that is being sealed for eternity with your companion

unbiblical. There is no marriage in heaven.

So it is true, you can ,.,., drink, and commit whoredoms if you want, and you will still be ressurected and have an immortal body.

yes, in the lake of fire.

I could go on with your post, but prefer not to. I would like to thank you though for showing us proof positive that all those anti-mormoniteism web site really are telling the truth, because what speaks from your mouth matches up with what those sites tell us.

You don't know me nor my pastor who preaches the Word of God. Some day when you grow up a little and lose the Holier than thou attitude taught you, the real Jesus will knock on your door.

I will pray for you.

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[Serapha]

Hey, so I live in the Mormon capital of the world and all my family is Mormon besides my mom and I. I wanna know how you would go about telling them the true story about Christ and stuff. I mean they just don't want to hear it espicially that they dont have to do good works to get to heaven. I need help thanks.

Hi there!



Just stick with "justified by faith"... and speak truth. Leave the changing and convicting up to the Holy Spirit.

and know this... justified by faith, is not a New Testament principle... but an Old Testament one... Paul didn't have the "New Testament" when he was preaching and teachings, he only had the Old Testament Scriptures.


What is in the Old Testament concealed, is in the New Testament revealed.


~serapha~



~serapha~

 

[feo]

It is such a Blessing to Hear at Least One Person in This Thread Has Gotten Out of The LDS Church. Before i Say One thing... Let me Clarify: i LOVE Mormons, and i Have Many Mormon Friends.

i Am Very Tolerant of Other Religions- Paganism, Judaism, etc etc. but The one Religion That Offends me is Mormonism. is it Wrong to Hear Their Teachings and feel... offended? They play it off as Christianity but the Jesus They Proclaim is Completely different From The Jesus i *know*!

If Mormons Would Stop Claiming They Were a denomination of Christianity, and exclude Themselves From The "christian" Branch, i Would Feel Much Better

 

[twhite982]

Hi there!



Just stick with "justified by faith"... and speak truth. Leave the changing and convicting up to the Holy Spirit.

and know this... justified by faith, is not a New Testament principle... but an Old Testament one... Paul didn't have the "New Testament" when he was preaching and teachings, he only had the Old Testament Scriptures.


What is in the Old Testament concealed, is in the New Testament revealed.


~serapha~



~serapha~

Your right, for example where "the just shall live by their faith". Hab 2:4

Faith here actually means firmness or faithfulness. Its not mere belief, but responsibility to that belief.

Tom

 

[Serapha]

Here is a little math for you.

A equals faith / belief
B equals works
C equals salvation

A plus B equals C

B alone does not equal C

A alone does not equal C

Only A plus B equals C.

You don't need to prove A or B to God. However A is proved to yourself through B and in this way we have confidence in God and His word.

Do ya "C" now?

Tom

Hi there!



Certainly, salvation is a process which will include "works;" but it also will include following in believer's baptism, and growing in wisdom and knowledge of God, etc, etc, .....


but let's be certain to say that you are saved only by your faith.

So know this.... "A" does equal "C" whether there are any "B's" or not.

~serapha~

 

[AMMON]

It is such a Blessing to Hear at Least One Person in This Thread Has Gotten Out of The LDS Church. Before i Say One thing... Let me Clarify: i LOVE Mormons, and i Have Many Mormon Friends.

i Am Very Tolerant of Other Religions- Paganism, Judaism, etc etc. but The one Religion That Offends me is Mormonism. is it Wrong to Hear Their Teachings and feel... offended? They play it off as Christianity but the Jesus They Proclaim is Completely different From The Jesus i *know*!

If Mormons Would Stop Claiming They Were a denomination of Christianity, and exclude Themselves From The "christian" Branch, i Would Feel Much Better

I think the above post makes Baby Jesus cry.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

I think the above post makes Baby Jesus cry.

FYI....Jesus is no longer a baby and hasn't been one for over 2000 years.

Grace

 

[AMMON]

It's a figurative expression.

 

[twhite982]

Hi there!



Certainly, salvation is a process which will include "works;" but it also will include following in believer's baptism, and growing in wisdom and knowledge of God, etc, etc, .....


but let's be certain to say that you are saved only by your faith.

So know this.... "A" does equal "C" whether there are any "B's" or not.

~serapha~

I agree that the works by themselves don't save, however action is always implied with faith, ecspecially as Paul quoted Hab 2:4 in Romans.

If we keep the assumption that faith implies action then I'm happy to say faith only. The process of salvation you mentioned which can include works, would it be a process without practical application of our faith?

I see too many people mix up the idea of real faith with belief (head knowledge). The devils believe also. I would also go a step further and say that we are saved by grace. Again its grace with responsibility.

The math lesson was a little joke to express a point.

Is there a single story in the Bible to show that A equals C where no action was done?

Just browse through the examples Paul and James list.

Tom

 

[happyinhisgrace]

I agree that the works by themselves don't save, however action is always implied with faith, ecspecially as Paul quoted Hab 2:4 in Romans.

If we keep the assumption that faith implies action then I'm happy to say faith only. The process of salvation you mentioned which can include works, would it be a process without practical application of our faith?

I see too many people mix up the idea of real faith with belief (head knowledge). The devils believe also. I would also go a step further and say that we are saved by grace. Again its grace with responsibility.

The math lesson was a little joke to express a point.

Is there a single story in the Bible to show that A equals C where no action was done?

Just browse through the examples Paul and James list.

Tom

Tom, when speaking of faith in relation to salavation (life forever in heaven with God), faith does not just mean "head knowlege", it mean complete trust.

We do not just believe that Jesus alone will save us to Heaven, we trust Him completely to do so. We don't put any trust in our own works to have any part in saving us to Heaven because they are nothing more than filthy rags in regard to salvation. We put our complete trust in Jesus to save us and Him only.

Grace

 

[fatboys]

Tom, when speaking of faith in relation to salavation (life forever in heaven with God), faith does not just mean "head knowlege", it mean complete trust.

We do not just believe that Jesus alone will save us to Heaven, we trust Him completely to do so. We don't put any trust in our own works to have any part in saving us to Heaven because they are nothing more than filthy rags in regard to salvation. We put our complete trust in Jesus to save us and Him only.

Grace

FB:We believe that Christ is the only name under heaven which we can be saved. No other being is going to save us, but Christ expects us to be obedient to his laws. This is works. If we are not obedient to his laws, then how much faith do we have in his work?

 

[twhite982]

FB:We believe that Christ is the only name under heaven which we can be saved. No other being is going to save us, but Christ expects us to be obedient to his laws. This is works. If we are not obedient to his laws, then how much faith do we have in his work?

Thanks FB this would be my point as well.

I do agree with Happinyness though because she is saying what I've said that our works in and of themselves are nothing (dirty rags).

That trust spoken of is trust of God commands and realizing they are there to help and develop us. For this reason we follow them because we love God, not because we want to earn anything. Simply put Jesus says if ye love me keep my commandments. We have faith because we love God and trust Him. We follow His commands out of gratitude and as I said earlier because we know He wants the best for us and out of us.

Tom

 

[happyinhisgrace]

FB:We believe that Christ is the only name under heaven which we can be saved. No other being is going to save us, but Christ expects us to be obedient to his laws. This is works. If we are not obedient to his laws, then how much faith do we have in his work?

That is a contradictory statement. You or me or anyone being obediant to laws has nothing to do with how much faith we have in "His" work but instead is putting the faith on ones own works in relation to the "laws".

There are 2 "laws" in the NT....Love God first above all and love your neighbor as yourself. I do not know one single person who can even make it through one day keeping just these 2 laws. This is the purpose of Grace and our faith (complete trust) in Jesus to get us to heaven is what saves us from the sin of breaking these laws. Trusting Jesus to save us and putting Him as Lord and savior of our lives is what matters. The "law" will not save anyone, only the grace of Jesus will do such.

Grace

 

[feo]

I think the above post makes Baby Jesus cry.

i Think That us Wanting to "become" gods is What Makes Jesus Cry. we Were Created to Worship, not to BE Worshipped

 

[Duende]

feo, de donde eres? Me aparece que hablas el Espanol por cause de tu nombre. Verdad? Digame si hablas el idioma de Dios.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

i Think That us Wanting to "become" gods is What Makes Jesus Cry. we Were Created to Worship, not to BE Worshipped

Yes, we were created to bring God glory not to bring ourselves glory. Any religion that tries to make man into a god is not of God at all. One day, every knee will bow and every tounge confess that Jesus is Lord. God is the ONLY one that will receive worship at this time. Unfortuanatly for many, by then it will be too late for them because they spent there life on earth worshipping false gods and putting their trust in the arm of flesh.

Grace