LDS Mormonism is an enemy of the Cross and therefore not Christian

Sophrosyne · Jun 1, 2016

I agree with the OP in that I've never been to a Christian church that didn't at some time have a cross somewhere displayed either on the building or the sanctuary or the signage and I will admit that I've never heard Mormons bringing up the cross in a discussion to make a point it is like they either ignore or avoid mention of it AND.... with that we see an almost dismissal of the power of the cross replaced by instead "all that you can do".

ArmenianJohn · Jun 1, 2016

antletems said:
Explain?

Your accusation towards Christians here of "mormon bashing" (despite your admission that you "don't know enough about mormon beliefs to charge in and attack them so directly"). We're challenging their beliefs and their claim to be Christians and you're labeling this "mormon bashing" despite the fact that we're in a forum specifically for challenging their beliefs (it's named "Debate Non-Christian Religions"). Why? Or am I misunderstanding you?

Goatee · Jun 1, 2016

ArmenianJohn said:
Your accusation towards Christians here of "mormon bashing" (despite your admission that you "don't know enough about mormon beliefs to charge in and attack them so directly"). We're challenging their beliefs and their claim to be Christians and you're labeling this "mormon bashing" despite the fact that we're in a forum specifically for challenging their beliefs (it's named "Debate Non-Christian Religions"). Why? Or am I misunderstanding you?

Look, i just see it as mormon bashing! You can try to change their views / beliefs, thats fine. It just seems like its just a way to 'have a go' at them.

Jane_Doe · Jun 1, 2016

ArmenianJohn said:
Your accusation towards Christians here of "mormon bashing" (despite your admission that you "don't know enough about mormon beliefs to charge in and attack them so directly"). We're challenging their beliefs and their claim to be Christians and you're labeling this "mormon bashing" despite the fact that we're in a forum specifically for challenging their beliefs (it's named "Debate Non-Christian Religions"). Why? Or am I misunderstanding you?

You are TOTALLY bashing.

Respectfully challenging beliefs (the SoP here) would involve 1) being respectful, and 2) talking about beliefs. You are frequently disrespectful and instead of talking about actual LDS beliefs, you nit-pick things like cultural stuff (example, this thread's OP). You are not challenging, but blindly bashing. And the result here is giving the impression that you are an arrogant and ignorant jerk. Such actually discourages a person from adopting your religious views, being counter-productive to any evangelizing efforts.

Goatee · Jun 1, 2016

Jane_Doe said:
You are TOTALLY bashing.

Respectfully challenging beliefs (the SoP here) would involve 1) being respectful, and 2) talking about beliefs. You are frequently disrespectful and instead of talking about actual LDS beliefs, you nit-pick things like cultural stuff (example, this thread's OP). You are not challenging, but blindly bashing. And the result here is giving the impression that you are an arrogant and ignorant jerk. Such actually discourages a person from adopting your religious views, being counter-productive to any evangelizing efforts.

I have to say that that is how it comes across. You are right Jane

BigDaddy4 · Jun 1, 2016

The little-to-no emphasis on the cross in the lds church, IMO, is due to the teaching that Jesus suffered for our sins in Gethsemane rather than on the cross.

https://www.lds.org/manual/new-test...-suffers-in-the-garden-of-gethsemane?lang=eng

He was suffering for all of our sins so that we can be forgiven if we repent.

Peter1000 · Jun 1, 2016

BigDaddy4 said:
And not to mention that Jesus himself said "And whoever does not carry his cross and follow Me cannot be My disciple." (Luke 14:27, plus similar references in Matthew 10:38, 16:24, Luke 9:23, etc.).

I find it odd that the lds make a big stink about obeying Jesus' commandments, like baptism, to be temple worthy, but yet can dismiss the cross so easily when the scriptures above make it plain that the cross was important to him.

Do you carry a cross around with you whereever you go? If you don't, I am pretty sure you believe this statement is metaphoric.

Mormons believe it is a metaphoric statement too. So you will not see us carrying crosses as we do our daily labors.
If we thought it was meant literally, we would carry a cross of some sort whereever we go.

So do you carry a cross, or do you believe it is a metaphore?

Peter1000 · Jun 1, 2016

ArmenianJohn said:
Even more odd when you consider that they probably enjoy various symbols more than most or all Christian churches. So it's not a problem with symbols, it's JUST the Cross that they have an aversion to. It really is odd.

Do you carry a cross whereever you go? Or do you think Jesus's statement is a metaphore?

Goatee · Jun 1, 2016

Carrying ones cross means taking up your troubles, your sufferings and giving them, your life, to Jesus.

Jane_Doe · Jun 1, 2016

antletems said:
Carrying ones cross means taking up your troubles, your sufferings and giving them, your life, to Jesus.

Agree. It doesn't really mean physically drawing/carrying/sculpting two perpendicular lines over everything.

Peter1000 · Jun 1, 2016

Sophrosyne said:
I agree with the OP in that I've never been to a Christian church that didn't at some time have a cross somewhere displayed either on the building or the sanctuary or the signage and I will admit that I've never heard Mormons bringing up the cross in a discussion to make a point it is like they either ignore or avoid mention of it AND.... with that we see an almost dismissal of the power of the cross replaced by instead "all that you can do".

Your "power of the cross" statement implies that you believe the cross saves us, like it has special saving powers. . I'm sure you believe it is Jesus Christ that saves, not the cross.

Hieronymus · Jun 1, 2016

antletems said:
Carrying ones cross means taking up your troubles, your sufferings and giving them, your life, to Jesus.

Really?
I think it has to do more with crucifying the flesh daily.
So it's not just cultural symbolism.
Let alone Christ dying on the cross..

Hieronymus · Jun 1, 2016

Peter1000 said:
Your "power of the cross" statement implies that you believe the cross saves us, like it has special saving powers. . I'm sure you believe it is Jesus Christ that saves, not the cross.

Christ paid for our transgressions by dying on that cross.
That's the Christian Gospel

Goatee · Jun 1, 2016

Hieronymus said:
Really?
I think it has to do more with crucifying the flesh daily.
So it's not just cultural symbolism.
Let alone Christ dying on the cross..

Strange view you have.

Goatee · Jun 1, 2016

Hieronymus said:
Christ paid for our transgressions by dying on that cross.
That's the Christian Gospel

We still have to take up our cross as Jesus said. We have to suffer for him. Like him.

Jane_Doe · Jun 1, 2016

Hieronymus said:
Christ paid for our transgressions by dying on that cross.
That's the Christian Gospel

LDS view too (a Christian group)

Hieronymus · Jun 1, 2016

antletems said:
Strange view you have.

Biblical though.

Hieronymus · Jun 1, 2016

antletems said:
We still have to take up our cross as Jesus said. We have to suffer for him. Like him.

That's a strange view in my opinion...

Hieronymus · Jun 1, 2016

Jane_Doe said:
LDS view too (a Christian group)

Latter Day Saints.
You think a 'mere human' can be the Word of God, like the Jehova's Witnesses do. (correct me if i'm wrong)

Jane_Doe · Jun 1, 2016

Hieronymus said:
Latter Day Saints.
You think a 'mere human' can be the Word of God, like the Jehova's Witnesses do. (correct me if i'm wrong)

No, Jesus Christ, the Son of God and Creator/Savior of the world is not a mere sinful human.

The view is different than the JW view.

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