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Hello, just wanted to say hi, got some friends around who gave me the link, probably as a practical joke...

But where are my Mo's at? Anybody out there got some Mormon in them?

So how is everybody? Feelin religious? Good...

couple questions. Why divide all these forums by your religion, isnt that kinda mean? I mean, people should be allowed to post wherever they want, no matter what there beliefs...

and I dont see any mention of us Mormons anyways... The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day saints is Christian, any forum for Us to discuss in?
 

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Hmm...
Since this is a Christian website, you should wonder why we let other beliefs here. I think this is something that makes the site unique. We are inclusive of others and allow them a place to be a part of the site. But the focus of the site is to provide a forum for Christians only thus the Christian only areas.

Mormons. We consider the church of LDS a cult and do not recognize them as Christian as far as the site is concerned.
 
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A CULT???? YOU CALL US A CULT??? How dare you call our religion a cult, its as recognized just as much as you are, has more correct doctrine.

We have a modern day prophet, 12 apostles,  believe in baptism by immersion, also have the priesthood, ordained by the laying on of hands, as well as the gift of the holy ghost. We are organized by God himself. We are certainly not a cult, our membership is on the international level, and has well over a few million members, and over 100 temples worldwide.

A cult indeed....

How close minded are you? Just because you think you are all set in your relgion, and feel you are saved does not make you know everything.
 
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Welcome to CF. Have fun posting.

As far as Mr. Cheese's comment, we find following a separate book of scriptures dictated by a self-proclaimed (and strangely enough, felonous) prophet, different levels of heaven, [basically] forced missions, after-death baptism and ever changing doctrine to be indicative of a cult. That is why it is not recognized with any particular forum on this board.
 
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Today at 11:02 AM Dewjunkie said this in Post #4 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=669313#post669313)

Welcome to CF. Have fun posting.

As far as Mr. Cheese's comment, we find following a separate book of scriptures dictated by a self-proclaimed (and strangely enough, felonous) prophet, different levels of heaven, [basically] forced missions, after-death baptism and ever changing doctrine to be indicative of a cult. That is why it is not recognized with any particular forum on this board.


agreed.
 
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Today at 12:02 PM Dewjunkie said this in Post #4

Welcome to CF. Have fun posting.

As far as Mr. Cheese's comment, we find following a separate book of scriptures dictated by a self-proclaimed (and strangely enough, felonous) prophet, different levels of heaven, [basically] forced missions, after-death baptism and ever changing doctrine to be indicative of a cult. That is why it is not recognized with any particular forum on this board.

couldn't have said it better myself! Anyways, welcome to CF. I hope you like these boards.
 
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Today at 12:39 PM Captain Moroni said this in Post #3

A CULT???? YOU CALL US A CULT??? How dare you call our religion a cult, its as recognized just as much as you are, has more correct doctrine.

We have a modern day prophet, 12 apostles,  believe in baptism by immersion, also have the priesthood, ordained by the laying on of hands, as well as the gift of the holy ghost. We are organized by God himself. We are certainly not a cult, our membership is on the international level, and has well over a few million members, and over 100 temples worldwide.

A cult indeed....

How close minded are you? Just because you think you are all set in your relgion, and feel you are saved does not make you know everything.

If the Holy Ghost trully operated in mormans...

many things would be different.  Ordained by God yourself? The Holy Ghost is the comforter and he presents us with God's truth, what he hears from the Father.  God is not the author of confusion, He is forever UN-changing, and Forever Perfect.  His word does not change, and his word is completely uniform and it agrees perfectly.

Mr. Cheese, myself, and others are not at all believing we know everything.  But we do know that this site does not recognize Mormans as being part of the Christian community. 

Enjoy your stay.
 
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What is a cult?
Generally, it is a group that is unorthodox, esoteric, and has a devotion to a person, object, or a set of new ideas.
-New Teaching - has a new theology and doctrine.
-Only True Teaching - often considers traditional religious systems to be apostate and it alone possess the complete truth.
-Strong Leadership - often an individual or small but powerful leadership group holds control of the group’s teachings and practices.
-Asset Acquirement - often requires tithing and/or property transfer to the religious system.
-Isolationist - to facilitate control over the members physically, intellectually, financially, and emotionally.
-Controlling - exercises control over the members. Sometimes this is through fear, threatening lose of salvation if you leave the group. Sometimes through indoctrination.
-Indoctrination - possesses methods to reinforce the cult’s beliefs and standards where opposing views are ridiculed and often misrepresented.
-Apocalyptic - to give the members a future focus and philosophical purpose in avoiding the apocalypse or being delivered through it.
-Experience - various practices including meditation, repetition of words and/or phrases, and ‘spiritual’ enlightenment with God are used as confirmation of their truth.
-Depravation - sleep and food deprivation which weakens the will of the subject.

This is uncommon, though practiced by more severe cults
-Persecution - predictions of being persecuted and often combined with claiming any opposing views demonstrated against them as a form of persecution.

Many have a non-verifiable belief systems
For example, they would teach something that cannot be verified.
-A space ship behind Hale-Bop comet
-Or, that God, an alien, or angel appeared to the leader and gave him a revelation
-The members are seeded angels from another world, etc.

Often, the philosophy makes sense only if you adopt the full set of values and definitions that it teaches.

With this kind of belief, truth becomes unverifiable, internalized, and easily manipulated through the philosophical systems of its inventor.

The Leader of a Cult
-Often charismatic who is considered very special for varying reasons:
-The leader has received special revelation from God.
-The leader claims to be the incarnation of a deity, angel, or special messenger.
-The leader claims to be appointed by God for a mission
-The leader claims to have special abilities
-The leader is often above reproach and is not to be denied or contradicted.

Cult ethos
-Usually seek to do good works, otherwise no one would join them.
-They are usually moral and possess a good standard of ethical teaching.
-Many times the Bible is used or additional "scriptures" are penned.
-The Bible, when used, is always distorted with private interpretations.
-Many Cults recruit Jesus as one of their own and redefine him accordingly

Cult groups vary greatly.
-From the ascetic to the promiscuous.
-From esoteric knowledge to very simple teachings.
-From the rich and power to the poor and weak.

Who is vulnerable to joining a cult?
Everyone is vulnerable.
-Rich, poor, educated, non-educated, old, young, previously religious, atheistic, etc.

General Profile of cult member (some or all of the following)
-Disenchanted with conventional religious establishments.
-Intellectually confused over religious and/or philosophical issues
-Sometimes disenchanted with society as a whole
-Has a need for encouragement and support
-Emotionally needful
-Needs a sense of purpose.
-Financially needful
-Recruitment techniques
-They find a need and fill it. One of the ways they do this is called
"Love Bombing" - Constant positive affection in word and deed.
-Sometimes there is a lot of physical contact like hugging, pats on the back, and touching.
-Cult group members will lend emotional support to someone in need.
-Help them in various ways...whatever is needed.
-The person then becomes indebted to the cult.
-Compliment them, reassure them, and make them the center of attention.

Many Cults use the influence of the Bible and/or mention Jesus as being one of their own; thereby adding validity to their system.
Scripture twisting
Those that use the Bible take verses out of context
Then mix their misinterpreted verses with their aberrant philosophy.
Gradualism
Slow altering of thinking processes and belief system through repeated teaching
People usually accept cult doctrines one point at a time.
New beliefs are reinforced by other cult members.
Why would someone join?
The cult satisfies various needs:
Psychological - Someone could have a weak personality, easily lead.
Emotional - Someone could have recently suffered an emotional trauma
Intellectual - Someone has questions that this group answers.
The cult gives them approval, acceptance, purpose, and a sense of belonging.
The cult is appealing for some reason. It could be . . .
Moral rigidity and purity
Financial security
Promises of exaltation, redemption, higher consciousness, or a host of other rewards.
How are they kept in the cult?
Dependence
People often want to stay because the cult meets their psychological, intellectual, and spiritual needs.
Isolation
Outside contacts are reduced and more and more of the life of the member is built around the cult.
It then becomes very easy to control and shape the member.
Cognitive Reconstruction (Brainwashing):
Once the person is indoctrinated, their thinking processes are reconstructed to be consistent with the cult and to be submissive to its leaders.
This facilitates control by the cult leader(s).
Substitution
The Cult and cult leaders often take the place of mother, father, priest, teacher, and healer.
Often the member takes on the characteristics of a dependent child seeking to win the approval of the leader and or group.
Indebtedness
The member becomes indebted to the group emotionally, financially, etc.
Guilt
The person is told that to leave is to betray the leader, God, the group, etc.
The person is told that leave would mean to reject the love and help the group has given.
Threat
Threat of destruction by God for turning from the truth.
Sometimes physical threat is used, though not often.
Threat of missing the apocalypse, or being judged on judgment day, etc.
How do you get them out?
The best thing is to try not to let them get trapped in the first place.
If you are a Christian, then pray.
But, to get a person out of a cult takes
Time, energy, and support.
Teach them the truth.
Give them a true replacement for their aberrant belief system
Show the cult group's philosophic inconsistencies
Study the group and learn its history seeking clues and information.
Try and get them physically away from the cult group.
Give them the support they need emotionally.
Alleviate the threat that if they leave the group they are doomed or in danger.
Generally, don't attack the leader of the group...that comes later.
Converts often feel a loyalty and respect for the founder of the group.
Confront them when needed.
Hopefully, this basic outline will give you information to see how Cults work and how to avoid them. If you have someone who is lost in a cult, you need to pray and ask the Lord to remove them and give you the insight and tools needed. It can be a long and arduous task and very often ends in failure. This is not an easy ministry.
 
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Yesterday at 05:39 PM Captain Moroni said this in Post #3

A CULT???? YOU CALL US A CULT??? How dare you call our religion a cult, its as recognized just as much as you are, has more correct doctrine.

Possibly you are right that Mormonism is no longer a cult. It is too large and recognized to be a cult.  At least some would say that.  But cult or false religion take your pick. 
 
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but wait you are taking the idea that the definition of a cult is a tiny group of religious people. That is not what a cult is. A cult can be large and multifaceted; it can span continents. But it is still a cult. Many times, the words religion and cult can be interchangeable: what a cult follower sees as a religion everyone else knows as a cult. The recent post I gave is the definition of a cult. As soon as I get a chance I will post a detailed synopsis of why Mormonism is a cult.
 
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Today at 06:09 PM jseek21 said this in Post #15

but wait you are taking the idea that the definition of a cult is a tiny group of religious people. That is not what a cult is. A cult can be large and multifaceted; it can span continents. But it is still a cult. Many times, the words religion and cult can be interchangeable: what a cult follower sees as a religion everyone else knows as a cult. The recent post I gave is the definition of a cult. As soon as I get a chance I will post a detailed synopsis of why Mormonism is a cult.

I am not really disagreeing with you.  I am only saying that whether Mormonism is a "Cult" or not is not the important thing here. The important thing is that itis not Christian and that Jesus is the only way to pradise by walking down the narrow road.  that mormonism is heresy and that it will lead one to hell.  So whether one wants to call it a religion or a cult I do not care as long as one does not get sucked into the lies it promotes.
 
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&nbsp;"God himself was once a man as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned on yonder heavens!… I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see… It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us; yea that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did; and I will show it from the Bible."

<I>Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith</I>
<I>by Joseph Fielding Smith, p345-346</I>

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&nbsp;So Christian indeed...
 
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That does not hold up to this: 1) Psalm 90:2: "From everlasting to everlasting, thou art God."

2) Hast thou not known? Hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? There is no searching of his understanding" (Is. 40:28)


3) Malachi 3:6: "For I am the LORD, I change not. . . . "
 
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Mormons assert that God the Father is not spirit. "God the Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as mans" (Doctrine of Covenants, sec. 130:22; emphasis added). God the Father had/has sexual relations with His wife (or wives) in Heaven to produce spirit babies in order to populate the earth.2
 
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