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If so or not there should be a simple answer for this. Do they or don't they meet the basic parameters? I NEED to know as they won't stop knocking on my door. I NEED to know what to say. There are many deviations among the Protestant faith group but all are regarded as Christian because they all agree with and have processed through, for example, the Roman's Road, 4 Spiritual Laws, Apostle's Creed, and etc. Do Mormons agree with such? Thanks.
 

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Mormons are not Christians. And they knock at your door because in their mind you are a person they can evangelize to about Mormon's book. I know this isn't much info, you could always google it online or I hope someone else can tell you more.

But Mormons faith is very different from the Christian faith.
 
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The LDS jesus is the spirit brother of Satan, the Christian Jesus was with God, was God, became flesh and dwelt among us. 1 John 1-14
 
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A friend of mine who is a Christian has often had many a battle, arguing about the differences in Mormonism vs Christianity. It's a very simple answer. No, Mormons are not Christians.
 
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I have a BOM by my door with a bookmark in it. When they come knocking, I show them the book and say thanks. I then record the date of the visit on the bookmark. It also works for JW’s when they stop by; I show them the BOM and say “Sorry”. They leave some Watchtowers on my porch and go.
 
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The most desturbing sign to me is that they have replaced the cross on the top of the churches with images of the angel Moroni. My salvation is not in an angel not even in the bible, but in the Lord Jesus Christ.
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If so or not there should be a simple answer for this. Do they or don't they meet the basic parameters? I NEED to know as they won't stop knocking on my door. I NEED to know what to say. There are many deviations among the Protestant faith group but all are regarded as Christian because they all agree with and have processed through, for example, the Roman's Road, 4 Spiritual Laws, Apostle's Creed, and etc. Do Mormons agree with such? Thanks.
The Catholic Church accepts the baptism of Adventists, Baptists, Church of Christ, Disciples of Christ, Episcopalians, and the like through almost every Protestant denomination ... but not the Latter Day Saints (LDS Mormon). This because their baptism really is a different thing than Christian baptism. It's a whole different bird. It comes down to who God is. Can the Mormons say the Nicean Creed without meaning something odd by the words of that creed? No. They have three gods. We have one God in three persons. It's different. That's why we aren't the same religion by any stretch of the imagination. Mormons are great people, but their religion is as alien as Islam, and stranger to boot.
 
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A friend of mine who is a Christian has often had many a battle, arguing about the differences in Mormonism vs Christianity. It's a very simple answer. No, Mormons are not Christians.

I was once stopped by a missionary mormon lady who asked me; "Do you know Jesus?" I answered; Yes, I am a Christian!" Then she said whilst looking down; "It isn't the same." At this time I was in a rush having to meet someone so I said I needed to leave, but clearly they too don't see Christians as same believers like them too. ;)

I also another time got into a little discussion with two mormon missionary men, the one talking to me said; "I believe in the Mormon's book", e.t.c... I don't remember much of what I said but I was backing up with my Christian faith, at some point our discussion didn't go anywhere, because I was stuck on what I believe in and they got quiet soon. Then I had to enter the bus I was waiting for and they stood there staring suprised at me. ;) I mean, I was standing at a bus stop when they started talking to me, so it shouldn't be such a big suprise for them, right? Hehe...

Have also had other talks with some other mormons but these are a few examples. I do think many mormons seem like friendly people though... :)
 
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No, Mormons are not Christians.

I have found an effective way to inhibit their visits. I welcome them into my house and engage them in conversation. I allow them to give their presentation and then ask them perfectly sensible questions which perplex them. For example, some effective questions I have found are -

How many gods are there?
How does one become a god?
When did Jesus Christ become a god?
If one is required to pass the test of mortality to become a god why was Jesus Christ a god before He became mortal?
Is the Holy Ghost a god?
Does the Holy Ghost have a physical body?
If a god must possess a physical body, how did the Holy Ghost become a god without a physical body?
Where will I go after death if I sincerely and completely reject the teachings of the LDS?
Why won't I go to the Outer Darkness if I persist in rejection of the teachings of the LDS?
Do they know where they will go after death?
Do they know exactly what is required by the LDS to enter the Celestial Kingdom?
Was Joseph Smith correct in his statements recorded in the book of Doctrine and Covenants?
Was Joseph Smith correct in stating that it is an eternal requirement that a man must have his marriage sealed in the Temple in order to enter the Celestial Kingdom?
Was Joseph Smith correct in stating that a man must be sealed in marriage to more than one wife in order to enter the Celestial Kingdom?

The list of questions I have is very long, indeed. After two or three visits when they fail to answer the questions they will put you on their black list and never come near your door ever again. I have seen them in my neighborhood and have been in my front yard as they knocked on my neighbor's doors and then gingerly walked past my house.
 
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Well, for a while you were all lost. the only responses that came up were 2 from Jane Doe, a Mormon. Whew, I knew that there were a lot of other responses. I am not that crazy, yet. I;ll have to figure out how to close a ticket now. But now the second page with her responses won't load! What you going to do? They came up from my email notification but now they won't here at the thread or from my acct. It showed that i had started no conversations at first then it changed and I am here, after filing the ticket that hers were the only ones that did. I don't know what to make of all of that. There must be some good explanation. Thank you ALL for your responses. I greatly appreciate your consideration in your responses. The reason i asked is in next post.
 
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Not believing Jesus is God I do not believes condemns them, for this is what Jesus says is required for salvation:

Matthew 19:16 Someone came to Jesus with this question: “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” 17 “Why ask me about what is good?”Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. But to answer your question—if you want to receive eternal life, the commandments.”
18 “Which ones?” the man asked. And Jesus replied: “‘You must not murder. You must not commit adultery. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. 19 Honor your father and mother. Love your neighbor as yourself.’

Jesus is saying how you treat others is what saves you. I did not see believing Jesus is God here. Here is Paul in Galatians.

Galatians 5:14 For the whole law can be summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 But if you are always biting and devouring one another, watch out! Beware of destroying one another. 16 So I say, let the Holy Spirit guide your lives. Then you won’t be doing what your sinful nature craves. 17 The sinful nature wants to do evil, which is just the opposite of what the Spirit wants. And the Spirit gives us desires that are the opposite of what the sinful nature desires. These two forces are constantly fighting each other, so you are not free to carry out your good intentions. 18 But when you are directed by the Spirit, you are not under obligation to the law of Moses. 19 When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, 21 envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Paul is here saying how you treat others. I do not see believing Jesus is God here.

If someone repents of their sins and accepts Jesus as the messiah would be saved no matter what they believed Jesus to be god or man. It's not part of the equation.

However, the Jehovah Witnesses teach that works are what get you to heaven, which is wrong.

A lot of people may argue that if you don't understand how/why they are saved they are not saved. I, however, say if you follow the will of Jesus and love your neighbor as yourself as a way of life, repent, and dont deny Jesus as the Messiah according to what I see Jesus, Paul and everyone else teaching they will be saved.

Yes, I understand this may be against your particular religion's dogma, but is what I see the bible teaching.

Jesus came and taught love, forgiveness, blessing others as a way to salvation. The modern church can teach go to church, pay your tithes, believe exactly as we believe to be saved.

Do I believe the Jehovah Witnesses is a correct church? No. Do I believe Jehovah Witnesses teach the correct narrow road to heaven? No. I do believe, however, that some may stumble onto the narrow road through the Jehovah Witnesses, just not very many compared to non-cultist religions

Me answer would be similar for Mormons. Wrong teachings, cultist, but some may find the way.

It is my concern that a lot of religions teach that you have to believe their religious dogma to be saved. The bible teaches that it is repentance and forgiveness which saves.

The Bible teaches it is how you act that determines if you are saved. Most religions are teaching it is what you think that saves you.
 
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I feel very sorry for them. They teach that marriage and family lasts forever, and Mormons will forever live together in family units once they become gods. I can see how someone could fall prey to their idealogies; Mormon missionaries are some of the nicest people I've ever met, and it's a comfy feelgood theology. A friend of mine converted a few months back, and I procured a copy of the BoM from him, and the Sister Missionaries numbers. (What should I do with it? lol)

Please pray for him and all Mormons.
 
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I asked this question because I wanted to draw those who might be interested in something which I had to present and to allow them to refresh their minds so as to have the presence of mind for consideration of such but now I think I should start a new thread for the presentation. If allowed it will be titled: "Is This Mormon Representation of the Christmas Story More Accurate than the Traditional Protestant One, Esp. Regarding the Three Kings/Wisemen? Is such a deviation harmless?"
 
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Jim Langston, I will respond but first i need to know which version of the Bible you are using as your authority. please forgive me as it will be a week or more before I can get on the internet. No need for a smart phone and only short time for computer, VERY, very busy right now. I took today, ALL day, for my computer time for quite a while. I started going all over to various sites to change address and email address and other business stuff and ended up staying here and there WAY TOO long. In fact it might not be until an open heart surgery I am going to have next month. I am having to finish all of my summer, fall and winter stuff and preps up in these weeks. But after the surgery i will have a lot of down time. Thanks, Jim
 
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Jim Langston, I will respond but first i need to know which version of the Bible you are using as your authority. please forgive me as it will be a week or more before I can get on the internet. No need for a smart phone and only short time for computer, VERY, very busy right now. I took today, ALL day, for my computer time for quite a while. I started going all over to various sites to change address and email address and other business stuff and ended up staying here and there WAY TOO long. In fact it might not be until an open heart surgery I am going to have next month. I am having to finish all of my summer, fall and winter stuff and preps up in these weeks. But after the surgery i will have a lot of down time. Thanks, Jim

Are you asking what version of the bible I accept as God's authority? Well, if I only stuck to one particular version that would but arguing over words, wouldn't it?

If your path to salvation depends on what particular words people translated in the Bible then I believe you are doing it wrong. The bible is a living book that works together as a whole, everything needs to be read in the context of what is written, so a ye versus a you doesn't matter. If you reject a version because of different words used then you are developing ungodly dogma.

TL: DR I accept all versions of the bible as the inspired word of God. I use different translations to help me understand scripture better. If f you are going to start arguing which words different translations use then I can only leave you with this:

2 Timothy 2:14 Keep reminding God's people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen.
 
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Well, for a while you were all lost. the only responses that came up were 2 from Jane Doe, a Mormon. Whew, I knew that there were a lot of other responses. I am not that crazy, yet. I;ll have to figure out how to close a ticket now. But now the second page with her responses won't load! What you going to do? They came up from my email notification but now they won't here at the thread or from my acct. It showed that i had started no conversations at first then it changed and I am here, after filing the ticket that hers were the only ones that did. I don't know what to make of all of that. There must be some good explanation. Thank you ALL for your responses. I greatly appreciate your consideration in your responses. The reason i asked is in next post.

You were all lost because I was lost! I was getting email notifies about thread contributions and in the middle of them were a couple from same source which I didn't recognize were pm's esp as the person had my OP at the beginning of their message. i was trying to access these contributions from there thinking it was this page unsuccessfuly. My bad. Not anyone elses. Also, somehow I had overlooked the fact that Mormons were not allowed on this forum and the pm's were from a Mormon. I was baffled no one had confronted her about her accusations. She said that the LDS DO believe in a triun God but her wording was very legalistic or tactful and could have been deceptive. You can guess what she said about anything and anyone contrary to Mormons being Christians. SHe wanted to know why I was singling Mormons out and I explained that it was the other way around in the worst way. Not online but IN MY FACE at my home and on my time and when I was doing something else the LDS were singling me out. I was put on the defensive and needed help from other Christians. Has anyone noticed Mormons having a persecution complex? I have, in fact there is a behavior pattern called self-fulfilling prophecy where people will (usually unconsciously) act in a way or screen sensory perceptions to make what they thought would happen actually occur. For ex if you are biased against someone or something you screen out/dismiss contrary input or withhold encouragement if you think/or have prophesied they will fail or if you think you will fail or fall or win or succeed, your behavior will work to produce the expected outcome, unconsciously many times. Could it be that people with persecution complexes are prime candidates for the LDS because they are expected to behave in a manner which will surely draw persecution?
 
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IMO does it really matter?

Mormons follow the Bible much more than many protestant faiths. So, is their differing opinions on the Trinity any worse than the many heresies of protestants?

What is the purpose of your question?
 
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If so or not there should be a simple answer for this. Do they or don't they meet the basic parameters? I NEED to know as they won't stop knocking on my door. I NEED to know what to say. There are many deviations among the Protestant faith group but all are regarded as Christian because they all agree with and have processed through, for example, the Roman's Road, 4 Spiritual Laws, Apostle's Creed, and etc. Do Mormons agree with such? Thanks.

Mormons are NOT Christians.

Mormonism teaches that god is an exalted man from another world who has a goddess wife and that people have the potential of becoming gods. That is most assuredly not Christian according to the Bible.



The reason Mormonism is not Christian is that it denies one or more of the essential doctrines of Christianity. Here is a basic list of what true Christianity teaches as essential doctrine according to the Bible.

  1. There is only one God in all existence (Exodus 20:1-4; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8; 45:5).
  2. Jesus is divine (John 1:1, 14; 8:24; Col. 2:9)
  3. Forgiveness of sins is by grace alone without works (Eph. 2:8-9; Rom. 3:28; 4:1-5)
  4. Jesus rose from the dead physically (John 2:19-21; Luke 24:39)
  5. The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus (1 Cor. 15:1-4)
Mormonism denies that there is only one God in all existence and also denies the forgiveness of sins alone in Christ alone. Therefore, it is outside Christianity. It is not a Christian religion but is actually a cult.
 
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Not believing Jesus is God I do not believes condemns them, for this is what Jesus says is required for salvation:

Matthew 19:16 Someone came to Jesus with this question: “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” 17 “Why ask me about what is good?”Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. But to answer your question—if you want to receive eternal life, the commandments.”
18 “Which ones?” the man asked. And Jesus replied: “‘You must not murder. You must not commit adultery. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. 19 Honor your father and mother. Love your neighbor as yourself.’

Jesus is saying how you treat others is what saves you. I did not see believing Jesus is God here. Here is Paul in Galatians.

Galatians 5:14 For the whole law can be summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 But if you are always biting and devouring one another, watch out! Beware of destroying one another. 16 So I say, let the Holy Spirit guide your lives. Then you won’t be doing what your sinful nature craves. 17 The sinful nature wants to do evil, which is just the opposite of what the Spirit wants. And the Spirit gives us desires that are the opposite of what the sinful nature desires. These two forces are constantly fighting each other, so you are not free to carry out your good intentions. 18 But when you are directed by the Spirit, you are not under obligation to the law of Moses. 19 When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, 21 envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Paul is here saying how you treat others. I do not see believing Jesus is God here.

If someone repents of their sins and accepts Jesus as the messiah would be saved no matter what they believed Jesus to be god or man. It's not part of the equation.

However, the Jehovah Witnesses teach that works are what get you to heaven, which is wrong.

A lot of people may argue that if you don't understand how/why they are saved they are not saved. I, however, say if you follow the will of Jesus and love your neighbor as yourself as a way of life, repent, and dont deny Jesus as the Messiah according to what I see Jesus, Paul and everyone else teaching they will be saved.

Yes, I understand this may be against your particular religion's dogma, but is what I see the bible teaching.

Jesus came and taught love, forgiveness, blessing others as a way to salvation. The modern church can teach go to church, pay your tithes, believe exactly as we believe to be saved.

Do I believe the Jehovah Witnesses is a correct church? No. Do I believe Jehovah Witnesses teach the correct narrow road to heaven? No. I do believe, however, that some may stumble onto the narrow road through the Jehovah Witnesses, just not very many compared to non-cultist religions

Me answer would be similar for Mormons. Wrong teachings, cultist, but some may find the way.

It is my concern that a lot of religions teach that you have to believe their religious dogma to be saved. The bible teaches that it is repentance and forgiveness which saves.

The Bible teaches it is how you act that determines if you are saved. Most religions are teaching it is what you think that saves you.

Jim, Jesus actually said in John 3:5..........
"Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit."

I am pretty sure that He qualified that in John 14:6...............
"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."
 
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