"Moral Jobs" that are "safe" for Orthodox?

[gurneyhalleck1]

Hey Everybody,

I haven't posted a thread here in a while.....

As my kids are now ages 15, 14, and 13, I'm starting to really really look at careers and majors and colleges with more introspection, and I've been thinking a lot about how unsafe jobs have become. If you're a psychologist/psychiatrist, you are duty-bound to approve of LGBT stuff, shacking up, "transitioning" sexes, abortion, etc. If you are a baker, you better bake gay cakes or face nationwide humiliation and losing your business or being sued. If you are a teacher, the critical race theory fascism and the LGBT brainwashing is imminent and in some places already mandatory 100%.

A good example of the immorality one would never consider is a couple of girls in my parish. Both were RN's but they went back to university to become anesthesiology nurses. Very lucrative career. Anyway, one of the girls was very traumatized because she was brought in to assist in an operation. The operation was a sex change. She had to witness a man made in God's own image be butchered and altered and perverted and she felt sick to her stomach to be involved. I can only imagine it's still plaguing her. Who would think a nurse or anesthesiology nurse would be involved in evil outside of abortion, right?

Education has gone to Hades in a hand basket K-12 and at college level, medicine is becoming questionable, so many sick factors in society.

What do y'all think about this? What types of jobs would you advise your kids to go into and do you think there are many bulletproof jobs left where the sodomy crew and the Marxists and the atheists haven't corrupted and melted them to shreds?

I think finding a career that is safe morally for an Orthodox Christian is about as tough as finding a spouse who is Orthodox and moral in 2021.

 

[ArmyMatt]

yeah, it's definitely tough. I think actually all jobs are rough theologically (maybe aside from monastic or Seminary professor or whatever), so have them pick what they want and just prepare for some very cautious navigation.

 

[truefiction1]

Hey Everybody,

I haven't posted a thread here in a while.....

As my kids are now ages 15, 14, and 13, I'm starting to really really look at careers and majors and colleges with more introspection, and I've been thinking a lot about how unsafe jobs have become. If you're a psychologist/psychiatrist, you are duty-bound to approve of LGBT stuff, shacking up, "transitioning" sexes, abortion, etc. If you are a baker, you better bake gay cakes or face nationwide humiliation and losing your business or being sued. If you are a teacher, the critical race theory fascism and the LGBT brainwashing is imminent and in some places already mandatory 100%.

A good example of the immorality one would never consider is a couple of girls in my parish. Both were RN's but they went back to university to become anesthesiology nurses. Very lucrative career. Anyway, one of the girls was very traumatized because she was brought in to assist in an operation. The operation was a sex change. She had to witness a man made in God's own image be butchered and altered and perverted and she felt sick to her stomach to be involved. I can only imagine it's still plaguing her. Who would think a nurse or anesthesiology nurse would be involved in evil outside of abortion, right?

Education has gone to Hades in a hand basket K-12 and at college level, medicine is becoming questionable, so many sick factors in society.

What do y'all think about this? What types of jobs would you advise your kids to go into and do you think there are many bulletproof jobs left where the sodomy crew and the Marxists and the atheists haven't corrupted and melted them to shreds?

I think finding a career that is safe morally for an Orthodox Christian is about as tough as finding a spouse who is Orthodox and moral in 2021.

The safest career to go into these days is martyrdom.

 

[truefiction1]

After martyrdom, self-employment in one of several varieties of technical trade work is a good way to go. If one does not want to work for a particular customer, one need merely quote a job ridiculously high, then it's likely that some competitor will be hired for the work rather than yourself, and so-be-it.

 

[archer75]

Plumbing, electrical work, carpentry, auto repair...monastic...seminary professor...

 

[Ahermit]

Find what you love to do. Study business. Start own business doing what you love to do.

 

[All4Christ]

IT work or software development is a good option. Of course, IT workers still should be judicious about the companies they work for.

 

[All4Christ]

@gurneyhalleck1 Hi!!! I’ve missed seeing you around!

 

[dzheremi]

I don't know about 'safe', but I'm glad I got a couple of degrees in linguistics, rather than some other social sciences. Because it is based ultimately around how people actually use language and not necessarily how they should use language (though there's space to study that in sociolinguistics, it is still fundamental that we are to be descriptive, not prescriptive), there were certain readings and topics that were really helpful in sorting out exactly where the new prescriptivist PC game falls apart most obviously. I'm sure I've written about this before, but we had one unit in one of my graduate classes about the sociolinguistic aspects of accents in which we studied the stereotypical 'gay accent' of gay-identifying males, and it was argued in the paper in question (following several case studies and the presentation of survey data) to be an affectation which, like other such accents, is 'turned up' or 'turned down' as the situation warrants. Kinda complicates the picture of homosexuality as an inborn identity, in certain respects. I was very impressed by the professor's willingness to assign the class such a reading and to have us talk critically about the subject as a means of engaging with said reading.

I'm going to guess that any such scientific or science-adjacent discipline which is about measurable, concrete phenomena in the actual world is at least more amenable to the Orthodox way of being than other disciplines that are about power structures, 'auto-ethnographies' (a 10-cent word I recently learned which basically means treating your own journal/diary entries as though they are data), and other such garbage. I did experience a tiny bit of that ("write about your whiteness", etc.) from a particular professor who not surprisingly never missed a chance to make disparaging remarks concerning Christians and Christianity (she was Jewish, as she would often tell us a propos of absolutely nothing), but thankfully by that time I was far enough along in the program that I could technically afford to take a zero for that section of the course and still come out fine.

There are probably no easy answers, but you can avoid the more obvious minefields, or even enter them willingly so long as you can take the nonsense and keep your head on straight.

 

[Andy Pierce]

Imagine calling the promotion of white genocide 'fascism'. Not surprised coming from a teacher.

I would never tolerate my daughter going to college under any circumstance. I'd prefer my daughter married off <20.

 

[archer75]

Imagine calling the promotion of white genocide 'fascism'. Not surprised coming from a teacher.

I would never tolerate my daughter going to college under any circumstance. I'd prefer my daughter married off <20.

Unfortunately, I have to agree for the most part.

 

[rusmeister]

I don't know about 'safe', but I'm glad I got a couple of degrees in linguistics, rather than some other social sciences. Because it is based ultimately around how people actually use language and not necessarily how they should use language (though there's space to study that in sociolinguistics, it is still fundamental that we are to be descriptive, not prescriptive), there were certain readings and topics that were really helpful in sorting out exactly where the new prescriptivist PC game falls apart most obviously. I'm sure I've written about this before, but we had one unit in one of my graduate classes about the sociolinguistic aspects of accents in which we studied the stereotypical 'gay accent' of gay-identifying males, and it was argued in the paper in question (following several case studies and the presentation of survey data) to be an affectation which, like other such accents, is 'turned up' or 'turned down' as the situation warrants. Kinda complicates the picture of homosexuality as an inborn identity, in certain respects. I was very impressed by the professor's willingness to assign the class such a reading and to have us talk critically about the subject as a means of engaging with said reading.

The whole “prescriptive/descriptive” paradigm is hogwash that is not philosophically thought out. The effect of insisting on description-only is to deny the importance of convention and etymology. Prescription-only would forbid legitimate language development. Of the two, the first is the clear and present danger of our time, and we are inundated with illegitimate language development. No one is “gay”. I’m jolly well going to prescribe that to you, as the usage is illegitimate, like their claim to the rainbow is illegitimate, and I can prove it. (So is “homosexual”, interestingly enough)

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

Recently I’ve been boiling up more and more with this. Being a librarian and being staunchly anti censorship because of places like China. While yes, I do know first hand what the dangers of inappropriate contentography can do to culture and a marriage, God gave people free will.
Does that mean I personally agree with it? Absolutely not.
On no level do I agree with it. Religiously. As a feminist (that word really does get a bad rap in certain circles but it’s third and fourth wave liberal feminism that’s morally decrepit).
In fact, it is one of the biggest moral dilemmas I have. How can I be anti censorship while still having morality? Is that even possible? How can I be apposed to something but still be for anti censorship?
The biggest lie from the enemy was always “do what you will”.
But it was always the knowledge of good and evil after all.
sorry for the vent.
I digress. Back to your question.

Lots of bakers here in Germany specifically never take personalized cake orders. You just pick up a cake and go. They sell bread and pastries too. That’s an option. Which I would love to see more of stateside.

Two year degrees like plumbers, electrical work etc.

If one pursues medical career, there are lots of doctors that do not deal with an moral or ethics. Orthopedics is a great example.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I've missed you, too, Laura!!!! Drop me a PM sometime and we should catch up! It's been a nutty year for obvious reasons but also just busy for Kate and I. Crazy crazy year.

@gurneyhalleck1 Hi!!! I’ve missed seeing you around!

 

[rusmeister]

Recently I’ve been boiling up more and more with this. Being a librarian and being staunchly anti censorship because of places like China. While yes, I do know first hand what the dangers of inappropriate contentography can do to culture and a marriage, God gave people free will.
Does that mean I personally agree with it? Absolutely not.
On no level do I agree with it. Religiously. As a feminist (that word really does get a bad rap in certain circles but it’s third and fourth wave liberal feminism that’s morally decrepit).
In fact, it is one of the biggest moral dilemmas I have. How can I be anti censorship while still having morality? Is that even possible? How can I be apposed to something but still be for anti censorship?
The biggest lie from the enemy was always “do what you will”.
But it was always the knowledge of good and evil after all.
sorry for the vent.
I digress. Back to your question.

Lots of bakers here in Germany specifically never take personalized cake orders. You just pick up a cake and go. They sell bread and pastries too. That’s an option. Which I would love to see more of stateside.

Two year degrees like plumbers, electrical work etc.

If one pursues medical career, there are lots of doctors that do not deal with an moral or ethics. Orthopedics is a great example.

When you know the truth, the dilemma disappears.

Censorship is neither good nor bad. It can be used for either good or evil. It is not a virtue to be “anti-censorship” in and of itself, though it IS right to be against censorship of what is good, right, and true.

God gave people free will, yes. And they can use that to murder. And yet we forbid murder, and think it right to use communal/governmental force to stop it. Some things are wicked and wrong and should not be publicly tolerated, as they work to destroy the civilization that tolerates them. It is right to censor such things, including inappropriate contentography.

Libertarianism is wrong because it assumes that what we do has no effect on others around us, on assuming that, unless the thing causes immediate and obvious destruction, it is to be assumed to be harmless. Thus, libertarians are for an unreasonable degree of freedom, that can be likened to people a century ago who saw no harm in smoking. But when one finally learns the true destructive nature of a thing, be it cigarette addiction, drug addiction, or inappropriate contentography, one sees that it ought to be censored and prevented out of love for one’s neighbor.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Could you elaborate please?

Imagine calling the promotion of white genocide 'fascism'. Not surprised coming from a teacher.

I would never tolerate my daughter going to college under any circumstance. I'd prefer my daughter married off <20.

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

Imagine calling the promotion of white genocide 'fascism'. Not surprised coming from a teacher.

I would never tolerate my daughter going to college under any circumstance. I'd prefer my daughter married off <20.

I think the issue arises when white people have no direct connection to their heritage. When groups of ethnic Europeans (Slavs for example) have direct connection to their heritage, they know their in fact was a genocide against them.

However, the word white genocide in its most rudimentary form has been a dog whistle for hate groups, like the Nazis (Nationalsozialistische Rassenhygiene). And yes, they were fascist, they just called themselves socialists as a misdirection. Kinda like the Democratic Republic of North Korea which we all know isn’t a democratic republic in any sense of the word.

And why wouldn’t you want your daughter to go to college? There are Orthodox Colleges if you're that serious about her not going to a secular school. University of Saint Katherine is an example of an Orthodox college. It kinda shows a lack of trust in your daughter and setting her up for failure.

Getting married early is a fine goal but that is based on Gods plan and her choice. Would you rather her marry a man early that makes her unhappy and they get divorced or her wait past 20 and her find a man proper and good in accordance to Gods will and they have a marriage that is in Gods image?

Just some things to thing about.
God bless.

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

When you know the truth, the dilemma disappears.

Censorship is neither good nor bad. It can be used for either good or evil. It is not a virtue to be “anti-censorship” in and of itself, though it IS right to be against censorship of what is good, right, and true.

God gave people free will, yes. And they can use that to murder. And yet we forbid murder, and think it right to use communal/governmental force to stop it. Some things are wicked and wrong and should not be publicly tolerated, as they work to destroy the civilization that tolerates them. It is right to censor such things, including inappropriate contentography.

Libertarianism is wrong because it assumes that what we do has no effect on others around us, on assuming that, unless the thing causes immediate and obvious destruction, it is to be assumed to be harmless. Thus, libertarians are for an unreasonable degree of freedom, that can be likened to people a century ago who saw no harm in smoking. But when one finally learns the true destructive nature of a thing, be it cigarette addiction, drug addiction, or inappropriate contentography, one sees that it ought to be censored and prevented out of love for one’s neighbor.

I should clarify it’s the censorship of the internet.
Yeah it’s hard. And it’s really really early in the morning here, I haven’t even had a cup a joe yet and here I am talking the philosophy of the morality of the politics and intersectality of censorship. I love it lol

 

[SingularityOne]

Engineering, IT, Programming, finance, trades (e.g plunking, electric, welding, etc.), Self-Employment.

im going to become an MFT (Therapist) and I’m aiming to start my own private practice. I’m thinking I’ll be “safe.” However, I have to be wise as a serpent and innocent as a dove. It’s harder than the above mentioned careers. I would say it really depends on the gifts God gave them to give back to others.

Very difficult time we live in regarding this. I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about this. If I’m remembering correctly, St. John of Damascus was in the upper echelons of a Muslim country and was still able to be faithful in that difficult milieu. But, that isn’t a 1:1 to the New Babylon we live in today.

 

[Not David]

I think the issue arises when white people have no direct connection to their heritage. When groups of ethnic Europeans (Slavs for example) have direct connection to their heritage, they know their in fact was a genocide against them.

However, the word white genocide in its most rudimentary form has been a dog whistle for hate groups, like the Nazis (Nationalsozialistische Rassenhygiene). And yes, they were fascist, they just called themselves socialists as a misdirection. Kinda like the Democratic Republic of North Korea which we all know isn’t a democratic republic in any sense of the word.

And why wouldn’t you want your daughter to go to college? There are Orthodox Colleges if you're that serious about her not going to a secular school. University of Saint Katherine is an example of an Orthodox college. It kinda shows a lack of trust in your daughter and setting her up for failure.

Getting married early is a fine goal but that is based on Gods plan and her choice. Would you rather her marry a man early that makes her unhappy and they get divorced or her wait past 20 and her find a man proper and good in accordance to Gods will and they have a marriage that is in Gods image?

Just some things to thing about.
God bless.

You mean like how psychologists call whiteness a disease? How whites farmers were denied services just because they were whites? How "Nazi" and "Fascist" refers only to white people who do not agree with attacks toward their group?

If it were any other group, everyone else will be calling it out as a precursor to genocide, but since it is white people, then it is a terrible thing.