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Originally posted by Warrior FC
What came first "Monkey" or "Man" and how do you know?

What difference does it make, maybe they evolved right next to each other. The only thing that matters is modern man. Why get into endless discussion & speculation over extinct species?
 
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Originally posted by JohnR7
What difference does it make, maybe they evolved right next to each other. The only thing that matters is modern man. Why get into endless discussion & speculation over extinct species?

Extinct? Since when have monkeys and man been extinct?
 
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Warrior FC: What came first "Monkey" or "Man" and how do you know?
Well, since "man" usually refers to our species, while "monkey" refers to any of a number of species with similar characteristics, I'd say "monkey." Of course, since you're not being too specific, I can't be too precise myself.
 
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Originally posted by ifriit
Well, since "man" usually refers to our species, while "monkey" refers to any of a number of species with similar characteristics, I'd say "monkey." Of course, since you're not being too specific, I can't be too precise myself.

How do you know "monkey"? What do you base that answer on?
 
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I don't even know that this means anything. What came first was probably something fairly similar to a rat, which branched out into the mammal family. You can get pretty good timelines of the hominid tree, if you want.
 
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Originally posted by Warrior FC
Extinct? Since when have monkeys and man been extinct?

I am talking about all the bones and all the skulls they have of monkeys and man like beings that are now extinct. You know, all five or six of them :) Sense we no longer have a living representive of them, all we can do is speculate.
 
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Warrior - for some questions all we can do is speculate. For your question we cannot do even that much. But for most of the important questions the answers can confidently be answered by scientific investigation into nature.

If your question was formed in a way that would give a unique answer from nature, it is quite possible that scientists would already know the answer, and that we could actually look up their research to find it. Your question could mean a thousand different things, so no one is going to touch it. But if you were asking, for instance, whether Homo Sapiens was more recent than any given Gibbon species, the fossil record would indicate that the Gibbons were older, and that there were simian primates roaming the earth long before the hominoids appeared.

So, JohnR7's unfortunate comment aside, for the important questions, we are not left to speculation.
 
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Originally posted by Warrior FC
So we conclude that all we can do is speculate?

Not entirely. We can draw conclusions, we can speculate, and, having speculated, we can make predictions and see how they turn out.

So, for instance, let's say I came up with the theory that, rather than being primates at all, humans evolved from the same branch of the mammal family as cats. My theory would predict things with some qualities in common with both humans and cats, and some kind of progression.

When compared to the theory that we came from the hominid tree, my theory comes up very short on evidence. The hominid theory is a better one.

So, while we can speculate, there are things that constrain the results we can maintain plausibly.
 
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Originally posted by Warrior FC
What came first "Monkey" or "Man" and how do you know?

Man definitly comes first.

How do I know?

I just opened my dictionary - and Behold! - "man" comes before "monkey".
 
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Originally posted by Warrior FC
So we conclude that all we can do is speculate?

That is not all they do, because there is a limit to the imagination. So they have to search for more "clue's" so they can take off running with a whole new round of speculation.
 
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Originally posted by Freodin
Man definitly comes first.

How do I know?

I just opened my dictionary - and Behold! - "man" comes before "monkey".

Man is a Germanic word & Monkey is a Latin word. So they do not even come from the same language.  The plural of man is men, the germanic language changes the vowel to go from a singlar to a plural. To change monkey to a plural you change the ending of the word, and that is done in latin.
 
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Originally posted by Jerry Smith
So now the big question is: which language group came first 

Oh, that is easy, whatever language they were speaking before the tower of Babel when all the languages in the world were scrambled and confused. Maybe they will find evidence for that in the DNA also. Most likely they well say something mutated.
 
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Originally posted by seesaw
I have to say language didn't start at the tower of Babel there is no evidence of that. Other than the bible.

There is evidence in that we have more then one language. Also, the foundation is still there in Babel for the tower. Even Suddan Hussain tried to rebuild the city of Babylon. But no one has ever been able to rebuild that city.
 
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Originally posted by JohnR7
Oh, that is easy, whatever language they were speaking before the tower of Babel when all the languages in the world were scrambled and confused. Maybe they will find evidence for that in the DNA also. Most likely they well say something mutated.

Both the romance languages and the germanic languages would postdate the Babel division, so that's not really a relevant answer to the question. And I thought rather than "ruins of Babel" people think now that it was a ziggurat?

-Chris
 
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