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You seem to be intent on avoiding the reality of your own quoted posts.
Initially, yes, but with a limit. I clarified that in my response.
Refer to post #175
Despite the poster clearly stating that was not the case? Did you read the post or did you impute your own meaning into what was written?
Before you go jumping to someone else's defence, perhaps read the context of my posts and what I was responding to.
Perhaps we can call it limited altruism:
We're talking about morality here and doing for others, not consequences for actions. As per the OP, we're specifically talking about the basis for morality.
Yes. And the only reason to follow the Christian morality you describe where one is being taken for a ride is because one does not want to go to Hell. Which means the altruism you describe IS self serving.
That's not true for every Christian, as not everyone agrees on the concept of "hell".
Can you? No other religion that I'm aware of spoke of loving your enemies the way Jesus does. Even the supposed universal "golden rule" is uniquely different based on what it references in Leviticus.
Exactly what agape love seems like to many. Its not based on emotion or intellect, but what is inherently "good".
By providing a reason based and logical argument that shows your answer is better than your opponents.
Because in the real world, that which is natural, and that which is material, are the only things proven to be real with an actual existence. Everything else is just make-believe, wishes, assumptions, and leaps of logic. If you are looking to establish the truth, you can’t rely on make-believe, wishes or assumptions, you have to go with what is real
Laws of logic, mathematics, information and the very concepts you used to formulate your argument are inherently immaterial and unable to be measured because they don't have physical properties. If you say they only exist within the mind, they still exist.
I hate linking wikipedia but this should be an easier article for you to start with if you're new to it.
Then you must also disbelieve in the laws of logic you used to form your argument and the mathematics used to measure matter in your worldview. Modern Atheism is built on naturalism or materialism, it's how it establishes "truth". One is not strong than the other, one flows from the other.
Logic, math, and information don’t have an actual existence, they only exist in the thoughts of things that are real. IOW they are in the same category as make-believe. If mankind disappeared so would the logic, math, and information associated with mankind because those things do not exist by themselves. If mankind disappeared, everything else of the natural and material world will continue to exist, because those things have an actual existence not dependent on the existence of something else.
There is no thought of a limit or an expectation of a reward or even of being paid back when it is done. I don't expect to be taken advantage of so the action is purely altruistic. It becomes reciprocally altruistic purely by the fact that most people will do this and respond the same way. So There's a two way interaction that is common in all social situations which gives it the reciprocity. And done as per the golden rule because we each think we should treat each other as we would like to be treated. Where the altruism comes in.
Except, apparently, you. As you've just noted a post where you simply reiterate the golden rule. So you just keep on keeping on giving. You don't seem to appreciate that the golden rule works both ways (I gave examples earlier) in that you don't want people treating you the way that you wouldn't treat them. So in your case 'if someone demands your coat, offer your shirt also. Give to anyone who asks; and when things are taken away from you, don’t try to get them back.'
The very reason you can claim these things as true is because you hold to immaterial laws of logic. Ken, stop and think about this for the moment. The things you claim are material, is claimed as such because of logical inferences and arguments. If laws of logic are made up then everything you're saying you can't actually believe because you have no reason as to say why it's true. The very designation of something as material is because of logic. And Ken, the logic you've used to disprove the realness of logic (refuting yourself) is only real under a materialist worldview, which as you've demonstrated is incredibly incoherent. I'll say it one more time just in case it wasn't clear, the truth of your positions that you've just rebutted with are inherently dependent on the truth of laws of logic existing.
The case that's been presented to you many times is simply that morality is subjective. What one person believes to be immoral may not be the same as what another person believes to be immoral, it's as simple as that.
The "golden rule" you use and the golden rule Jesus uses are not the same. That's my point. The world's golden rule is to treat others well in order to avoid harm or for mutual benefit. It's based on survival. God's rules are not based on human emotions or intellect, but on something that is intended (when practiced) to transcend the ego. To love the way God loves. Is that easy for us to do? Absolutely not. Is it possible for us to do? everything is possible with God.
No, I use exactly what Jesus reminded us to do. Treat others as we would like to be treated. So I buy a friend a beer. I help him because I would like people to help me. I don't treat him badly because I wouldn't like to be treated badly. But you? You literally quoted the bible telling you that if someone takes your property, don't even ask for it back. And I know, without any shadow of doubt, that you don't live like that. It's a farcical proposition. So why on earth quote it to me as if you expect me to live that way?
