Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

[Ana the Ist]

There needs to be a policy that is written down (somewhere) that says “Don’t loan money to ‘the Blacks!” before it’s evidence of systemic racism?
Opening a branch of your bank that does not offer loans to the surrounding community is just…what? Over-sight?

I'm fine with calling it racial discrimination....they certainly don't seem to think they would have won a court case. Justice served.


You know....because we aren't a racist nation.

 

[Ken-1122]

I'm fine with calling it racial discrimination....they certainly don't seem to think they would have won a court case. Justice served.

Or as pointed out before, litigation likely would have made it much more expensive trying to prove yourself right, than agreeing to the terms offered.

You know....because we aren't a racist nation.

Agreed. And when you consider the USA is likely the most racial diverse Nation on Earth, I think it would be fair to say it is likely the least racist nation.

 

[rjs330]

It pretty much says what they were accused of. It's just an example showing that banks are still using racist practices and getting caught from time to time. I wonder how many slip through and get away with it. But yeah, redlining is about as systemic as you can get.

They were accused of redlining. What exactly were they doing? I just don't know if the accusations were true or even accurate. Just cause the government accused you of something doesn't mean it was actually happening. I want details before I can comment.

 

[rturner76]

What evidence do you have that the bank rules were racist rather than the people working there being racist?

Stop defending racist banks.

 

[rturner76]

I don't think we've been a nation for 400 years.

We had slavery before we were a nation.

 

[rturner76]

They were accused of redlining. What exactly were they doing? I just don't know if the accusations were true or even accurate. Just cause the government accused you of something doesn't mean it was actually happening. I want details before I can comment.

Dodge the subject all you want. They had racist practices and got called on it. If you can't understand that concept I can't help you.

 

[Ken-1122]

Stop defending racist banks.

How about if you stop making accusations unless you have evidence to back it up!

 

[rjs330]

Dodge the subject all you want. They had racist practices and got called on it. If you can't understand that concept I can't help you.

Not trying to dodge, just like I didn't dodge this entire thread. I just want to know the details like I got on this thread. You claim the bank had racist policies and yet you have not provided what they did that was racist. Neither has the government. They just made a statement without any verifiable facts.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Neither has the government. They just made a statement without any verifiable facts.

If only the banks would stop settling to avoid trial, we might find out.

 

[rjs330]

If only the banks would stop settling to avoid trial, we might find out.

Yeah I would love to see the evidence. In the OP case at least we have one thing to look at. It would have been interesting to see what might have happened had the bank told the government to stuff it.

I think they would have had a good case to say the government can't tell them they have to have a loan officer in every branch.

 

[Ana the Ist]

If only the banks would stop settling to avoid trial, we might find out.

Yup...those selfish class action lawsuits need to stand on principle once in awhile....

So what if Wells Fargo is offering a few hundred million? Tell them "no thanks show me those policies. "

 

[Ana the Ist]

We had slavery before we were a nation.

You had slavery before you left Africa.


What's your point?

 

[rturner76]

You had slavery before you left Africa.


What's your point?

Here it was race-based. It hurt a lot of families.

Generational Trauma Might Explain Your Anxiety and Depression—Here's What It Means

 

[rjs330]

Here it was race-based. It hurt a lot of families.

Generational Trauma Might Explain Your Anxiety and Depression—Here's What It Means

So race based slavery is worse than other kinds? Where's you source for that?

Good chance your generational trauma started in Africa where your families were enslaved by other black people.

No that you mention it, I had ancestors who were enslaved by the British Empire. Maybe that's what's wrong with me.

There is no doubt that behaviors can be passed down. If you had a good dad who treated you well and your mother, you will most likely be a good dad too.

If you had an abusive father, chances are you'll be the same way. Same goes for sex abuse.

But as your article points out there is no real evidence for the kind of trauma you want to use like slavery. Just cause your great great grand mother was a slave doesn't mean you can't function properly in a society cause you are so traumatized by it.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Here it was race-based. It hurt a lot of families.

Generational Trauma Might Explain Your Anxiety and Depression—Here's What It Means

Did you read the article?

 

[rturner76]

But as your article points out there is no real evidence for the kind of trauma you want to use like slavery. Just cause your great great grand mother was a slave doesn't mean you can't function properly in a society cause you are so traumatized by it.

I never said it can't be overcome but it can be an obstacle.

25 simple charts to show friends and family who aren't convinced racism is still a problem in America

Research has extensively documented the differences between the Black and white experience in the US, from wealth and education to incarceration.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[rturner76]

How about if you stop making accusations unless you have evidence to back it up!

You know what you've been saying.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Did you read the article?

I did .

"...high rates of psychological distress among children of individuals who survived the Holocaust—and the concept of generational trauma was first recognized."


"
The symptoms of generational trauma may include hypervigilance, a sense of a shortened future, mistrust, aloofness, high anxiety, depression, panic attacks, nightmares, insomnia, a sensitive fight or flight response, and issues with self-esteem and self-confidence, Dr. DeSilva said.


Experts are learning more about how trauma affects the immune system. "It may lead to a dysfunctional immune system—one that's either too active or not active enough," Dr. DeSilva said. "This can result in more autoimmune diseases or a greater propensity for illness."


Trauma also influences the microglia, the brain's immune system. "When in a high trauma reactive state, the microglia eat away at nerve endings instead of enhancing growth and getting rid of damage," Dr. DeSilva said. "The microglia go haywire in the brain and cause depression, anxiety, and dementia. This can translate into genetic changes, which can be passed down to further generations."


I think though that systemic racism is less traumatic. But it is chronic. Of course racism can be traumatic and usually is for the specific victim.

I was watching POV SHORTS last evening
The Changing Same
A native Floridian runs a local marathon in Marianna, Fla., to commemorate the 1934 lynching of Claude Neal.

Many in that town, black and white, don't want to talk about that lynching.

 

[rjs330]

I never said it can't be overcome but it can be an obstacle.

25 simple charts to show friends and family who aren't convinced racism is still a problem in America

Research has extensively documented the differences between the Black and white experience in the US, from wealth and education to incarceration.

www.businessinsider.com

Seen those charts before. The question has been asked before. There are those on here who ask what is the barrier within the black community that discourages pursuing better opportunities. And a number of facts and research points to a number of factors within the community itself like not pursuing careers that provide better opportunities for more money and advancement.

Just sticking up charts answers no real questions. All it di a is seek to blame and say that outcomes mean systemic racism which in fact does not. It's only assumed.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I did .

"...high rates of psychological distress among children of individuals who survived the Holocaust—and the concept of generational trauma was first recognized."


"
The symptoms of generational trauma may include hypervigilance, a sense of a shortened future, mistrust, aloofness, high anxiety, depression, panic attacks, nightmares, insomnia, a sensitive fight or flight response, and issues with self-esteem and self-confidence, Dr. DeSilva said.


Experts are learning more about how trauma affects the immune system. "It may lead to a dysfunctional immune system—one that's either too active or not active enough," Dr. DeSilva said. "This can result in more autoimmune diseases or a greater propensity for illness."


Trauma also influences the microglia, the brain's immune system. "When in a high trauma reactive state, the microglia eat away at nerve endings instead of enhancing growth and getting rid of damage," Dr. DeSilva said. "The microglia go haywire in the brain and cause depression, anxiety, and dementia. This can translate into genetic changes, which can be passed down to further generations."


I think though that systemic racism is less traumatic. But it is chronic. Of course racism can be traumatic and usually is for the specific victim.

I was watching POV SHORTS last evening
The Changing Same
A native Floridian runs a local marathon in Marianna, Fla., to commemorate the 1934 lynching of Claude Neal.

Many in that town, black and white, don't want to talk about that lynching.

Great....now, I can explain a little something to you that can help you out in the future.

When an article says that a breakthrough study led to a new theory on how trauma can literally be passed down to children through epigenetics...

Why would that article quote a couple of psychologists or psychiatrists?

Why wouldn't it quote an epigeneticist....or even just an expert in genetics?

Why not include the study?

The answer is pretty simple....almost nothing said in that article is true. It got debunked 5 years ago when people first cobbled this idea together. The study actually includes evidence against what the article claims.