modern day interpretation of EGW

[mmksparbud]

She was no raving beauty--a rock to the face will sort of mess up your looks--but she had a twin sister, and I saw a picture of her and she was actually quite pretty--EGW said it kept her humble!

 

[ricker]

Well---I looked up "harlots" under the EGW writtings and came up with zero results---I got zero results for the word "harlot" also---however--Rev 17:1, 15, 16 And Rev 19:2 all mention the word "harlot."---

I guess I stand corrected. What did EGW say about Christians that weren't Adventists? Are we brothers and sisters in Christ awaiting His soon return?

Edit to add: After further review I guess she used the word "harlot" to describe us. How could I be so wrong.........

 

[mmksparbud]

Hey--it's not until the law mandating Sunday worship is brought into play that the dicision will come to all--man or the bible. She said that there are many devout followers of Jesus in other churches. But we do believe Rev. is pretty explicit and it does say whoever follows the beast will not be saved so it would behove all to know and Rev is what it says--a revelation--and I've said before--she said there would be many SDA's who wouldn't make it because they stood smug in their believes, but did not develop the personal relationship with Christ. He knows His sheep, and they know His voice.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Who seeks to divide Christianity more that Adventists? Doesn't Ellen call non-SDA Christians harlots?

What did Jesus say was His mission?

Matt 10:34,35
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

This is not some love fest amongst ourselves we are striving for, contrary to the ecumenalists belief... we are to unite in truth and obedience to Him and His precepts.

Matt 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This is not speaking of unbeleivers but those that profess to be followers of Christ. Notice it doesn't say 'some', it says 'many'.

Luke 6:46-49
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?


Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

Notice again, these are those that have 'come to Christ' meaning professed their love and loyalty to Him.... Christians. The difference between them is their obedience to His precepts and commandments.

 

[ricker]

What did Jesus say was His mission?

Matt 10:34,35
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

This is not some love fest amongst ourselves we are striving for, contrary to the ecumenalists belief... we are to unite in truth and obedience to Him and His precepts.

Matt 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This is not speaking of unbeleivers but those that profess to be followers of Christ. Notice it doesn't say 'some', it says 'many'.

Luke 6:46-49
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?


Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

Notice again, these are those that have 'come to Christ' meaning professed their love and loyalty to Him.... Christians. The difference between them is their obedience to His precepts and commandments.

So you think Christians other that SDA's "work iniquity" like Mark 7 says? Can't argue with that logic.


If Jesus actually preached that the Gentile churches under the new covenant had to keep the sign of the weekly Sabbath given to Isael, (so that Luke 6 would apply), you would be correct. (except of course those Messianic Jews and Seventh Day Baptists).

Any excuse to rationalize calling other Christians harlots.

 

[mmksparbud]

Ricker---you have a serious obsession with harlots and harlots--Get your mind out of the gutter! There are other 7th day keepers, one was an Eskimo, Maniilaq,who got the message long before any white man showed up--there was the Bounty mutaneers on Pitcairn isloand who didn't have anyone to tell them its sunday so they went by the bible--there were others during the dark ages--Waldenses--Oh--yah--have you checked out St. Patrick? You have no problem with keeping the other commandments--just the 4th. And no--keeping the sabbath isn't going to save you--that's a gift from God--but He has to know you and you Him, and "if you love me, keep my commandments."--I'd rather have God say, "well, it really didn't matter, what day you keep" but I sure do not want to hear"So---what part of Remember my sabbath day to keep it Holy, didn't you understand?" --Bummer.

 

[tall73]

You are right--free advertising--now I'll let you in on a secret--I am talking mainly about myself--I have degenerative disc disease lower back and neck, fibromyalgia, Chronic fatigue, IBS, foot nueropathy pain that leaves me screaming and crying in pain, and if I walk, or stand too long, the pain is much worse, plus the mental fog with fibro--all this took my job and am now on disability and so is hubby--I have about zero patience anymore, when you've been in pain 24/7 for over 20 years, well, your nerves get a little fried. I can only spend so much time on computer. I really do hate debates anymore--but you are right and I should just suck it up and keep on trucking--it does keep me searching the scriptures all the more. I really do not know of any SDA's that are shy about quoting scriptures for our stand about anything. It's just that we read the same verses and come to different conclusions! Now--all those sheep out there in other folds please pray that this new medicine I'm using will work!!--At least that it'll make me less "snippy!" I've always had a warped sense of humor, but it has gotten a little less frequently "tickled" lately.

I am praying for you right now. May God heal you.

 

[tall73]

Ricker---you have a serious obsession with harlots and harlots--Get your mind out of the gutter! There are other 7th day keepers, one was an Eskimo, Maniilaq,who got the message long before any white man showed up--there was the Bounty mutaneers on Pitcairn isloand who didn't have anyone to tell them its sunday so they went by the bible--there were others during the dark ages--Waldenses--Oh--yah--have you checked out St. Patrick? You have no problem with keeping the other commandments--just the 4th. And no--keeping the sabbath isn't going to save you--that's a gift from God--but He has to know you and you Him, and "if you love me, keep my commandments."--I'd rather have God say, "well, it really didn't matter, what day you keep" but I sure do not want to hear"So---what part of Remember my sabbath day to keep it Holy, didn't you understand?" --Bummer.

Fire insurance is a bad way to measure truth.

I had an aunt that kept Sunday and Saturday for that reason.

But what would you say if God asks you why you put burdens on people He didn't place on them? There is a curse for adding to as well as taking away.

 

[tall73]

What did Jesus say was His mission?

Matt 10:34,35
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

This is not some love fest amongst ourselves we are striving for, contrary to the ecumenalists belief... we are to unite in truth and obedience to Him and His precepts.

Thank you. That is Adventist teaching. Adventists have a bold message.

Now to the Adventists out there, why are you so worried about doctrinial discussion in your area with the Cribstyles and Pythons out there?

Either your teachings are right and folks will see it or they are not, and you can get on with your Christian life.

When I was an Adventist I loved folks dropping by the CF Adventist forum, as it was free publicity.

 

[mmksparbud]

Fire insurance is a bad way to measure truth.

I had an aunt that kept Sunday and Saturday for that reason.

But what would you say if God asks you why you put burdens on people He didn't place on them? There is a curse for adding to as well as taking away.

We add nothing to the 10 commandments--they are what they are--it's everybody else that thinks God really didn't mean it. And thanks for the prayers---I need them!! Even my husband--not an SDA--actually not anything, he's started praying for me, too. And twice, after he prayed, my feet calmed down.

 

[JohnMarsten]

True indeed. The Devil always mixes some truth with his error, this makes it more acceptable. Speaking some truth however does not mean that you are being lead by God. So either Sr White was wholly being lead by God, or she was a liar, self-deceived, and working for the devil. No two ways about it.


Oh...ok. Still not sure how you made that leap, but it's cool. And we don't teach that other churches are Babylon. Scripture declares that there is one harlot (an apostate church) and that she has daughters (other churches similar to the apostate one).

hmmm....I always you were teaching that all other churches are babylon. Just for clarities sake,which churches do you teachare babylon and which arent?

(I somehow expect and evasive answer,but still, if you feel like telling the truth, keep it coming on...)

 

[JohnMarsten]

I have a picture of Ellen White to submit.

oldy but goody

it was probably sponsored by builder's society

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

We add nothing to the 10 commandments--they are what they are--it's everybody else that thinks God really didn't mean it. And thanks for the prayers---I need them!! Even my husband--not an SDA--actually not anything, he's started praying for me, too. And twice, after he prayed, my feet calmed down.

My wife suffers in much the same way as you so I empathize for what you are going through.... it's her faith in God that gets her through each day, sometimes each minute of the day and she is able to see the mighty blessing that God gives to her.

I will keep you posted to a new treatment that my wife is going to try. It is lidocaine infusions... if it works, it will give her 3-4 days a week of significant pain reduction. The 1000mg of daily morphine she was on didn't do it and she had to withdraw after ten years use... not a pretty scene but we can thank God He got us through, just as He always has and always will. It's amazing how trial and tribulation can work such love and blessing if you'll let it.

I'll be praying for the Lords Will be done in your life... that He be merciful to you and that your husband come to a personal knowledge and relationship with Christ.

Ken

 

[Stryder06]

Who seeks to divide Christianity more that Adventists? Doesn't Ellen call non-SDA Christians harlots?

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Matt 10:34)

The message the Adventist church spreads is divisive in nature no more than the message that Christ and His disciples taught.

Compromising on truth is what has lead to the mass amount of confusion among the people of God today. No one want's to be wrong, and at the same time, no one want's anyone else to be right. People are happy thinking that their all in the same boat with a limited amount of truth, which no one has a right to critique.

Scripture speaks of individuals in Babylon who God calls out. It speaks of wolves in sheep's clothing. It speaks of those who say they are Jews and are not. The church has become complacent and no longer works with a distinguishing eye to ensure that what it accepts as truth is actually what the word of God says. The Lord says that narrow is the way that leads to salvation, and few find it.

Mind you this of course does not apply for everyone. When I speak I do so in broad generalizations. Trust me when I say I pray to God that I'll see all of you on the other side. I'd like to have a big CF reunion in heaven.

 

[Stryder06]

nevermind....

 

[Stryder06]

Thank you. That is Adventist teaching. Adventists have a bold message.

Now to the Adventists out there, why are you so worried about doctrinial discussion in your area with the Cribstyles and Pythons out there?

Either your teachings are right and folks will see it or they are not, and you can get on with your Christian life.

Fair exchanges are not what takes place on this forum. One can only be told their wrong, after explaining what they believe, so many times before it's pointless to carry on.

When I was an Adventist I loved folks dropping by the CF Adventist forum, as it was free publicity.

Yeah, and now after all of that debating, you are no longer adventist. Interesting that Sr White warned about such things being the result of debates.

 

[ricker]

Ricker---you have a serious obsession with harlots and harlots--Get your mind out of the gutter! There are other 7th day keepers, one was an Eskimo, Maniilaq,who got the message long before any white man showed up--there was the Bounty mutaneers on Pitcairn isloand who didn't have anyone to tell them its sunday so they went by the bible--there were others during the dark ages--Waldenses--Oh--yah--have you checked out St. Patrick? You have no problem with keeping the other commandments--just the 4th. And no--keeping the sabbath isn't going to save you--that's a gift from God--but He has to know you and you Him, and "if you love me, keep my commandments."--I'd rather have God say, "well, it really didn't matter, what day you keep" but I sure do not want to hear"So---what part of Remember my sabbath day to keep it Holy, didn't you understand?" --Bummer.

So I guess Adventists aren't being divisive by calling other Christian churches names (Babylon, or whatever), because you don't really believe we are Christians.

Just because there are historically people who follow Jewish traditions doesn't make it binding.

 

[Stryder06]

So I guess Adventists aren't being divisive by calling other Christian churches names (Babylon, or whatever), because you don't really believe we are Christians.

Just because there are historically people who follow Jewish traditions doesn't make it binding.

Ricker, do you mind if I ask you who you believe Babylon is? Who is the Harlot and who are her daughters?

Scripture never deals with heathen nations or false religions, but always God's own, and those who have gone astray. This is in house. So who are these individuals that Revelation speaks of?

 

[JohnMarsten]

Ricker, do you mind if I ask you who you believe Babylon is? Who is the Harlot and who are her daughters?

Scripture never deals with heathen nations or false religions, but always God's own, and those who have gone astray. This is in house. So who are these individuals that Revelation speaks of?

You still didnt ask who you believe the Babylonian churches are (I guess you simply overlooked my question).

Just give a couple examples of babylonian and non-babylonian churches...

If it is connected with Sunday/saturday worshippers, would you say that the saturday churches are less babylon? or maybe not babylonian at all? like the seventh day baptists?

 

[tall73]

Fair exchanges are not what takes place on this forum. One can only be told their wrong, after explaining what they believe, so many times before it's pointless to carry on.

If people present well reasoned arguments and they are discussed in the details and responded to with well reasoned arguments that is a fair exchange.

Not using underhand tactics or known false information, or bullying tactics, etc. is a fair exchange.

Not wanting to discuss anymore does not make an exchange unfair. Perhaps it just means you should stop participating in threads for a bit.

Yeah, and now after all of that debating, you are no longer adventist. Interesting that Sr White warned about such things being the result of debates.

So I should not have tried to discuss my beliefs with folks while an Adventist? No one had an issue with it at the time.

However, you are right in that while discussing with others I saw some of the errors of my position. I hardly call that a bad thing.