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Missouri Republican Candidate Burns Public Library Books with Flamethrower (not that one, another one, and for real this time)

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So if she did, why are there no charges for destruction of public property?
You expect the library police to come swarming out of unmarked vans?

In 30 days, the library will want its books back, and won't get them. And maybe 6 months later, they'll issue a fine to defray the cost of replacing the books.
 
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Those days no longer exist in American politics, whether one is a Democrat or a Republican.
Theres some decent people on both sides. Pence, for example, would never have stooped to this, nor McConnell - not that I'd vote for them. I dont get that nasty vibe from Biden either.
 
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Whether a book is burned or suppressed for "misinformation," the result is the same.
No it isn't. Burning actually destroys the book and its contents. Suppressing misinformation (not sure why you put that in quotes. Perhaps you mean something else?) simply removes it from being available in a specific venue. The misinformation is still available to you if you wish to consume it through some other avenue. You can't unburn a book. (I know what your likely rebuttal will be. Don't bother. It's not the point.)
 
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Perhaps the drug analogy wasn't a good one.

...best I could come up with late in the evening lol.
No sweat :)
But my general point was that a person who wishes to put restrictions on other people (but are self aware in doing so) aren't inherently any better, with regards how it impacts others, than people who want to blindly do it -- that is, if there's no good reason for doing it in the first place.

Perhaps this one is better:
If Joe Smith says "I don't want you to be allowed to have whiskey, but I guess beer is okay, but I at least I'm self aware enough to admit that I'm not an pro-alcohol absolutist"

And Dan Jones says "I don't want you to have whiskey, but we still want to see ourselves as the party of alcohol rights absolutism because we're okay with beer, and I see zero irony in this"

It doesn't matter that Dan Jones's statement is more ridiculous and ironic, the end result is me not being allowed to get any Crown Royal this weekend.
LOL!! That seemed.....specific.
 
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No it isn't. Burning actually destroys the book and its contents. Suppressing misinformation (not sure why you put that in quotes. Perhaps you mean something else?) simply removes it from being available in a specific venue. The misinformation is still available to you if you wish to consume it through some other avenue. You can't unburn a book. (I know what your likely rebuttal will be. Don't bother. It's not the point.)
So, you're unaware of this?

 
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Whether a book is burned or suppressed for "misinformation," the result is the same.
“Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.”
Heinrich Heine

-- A2SG, said it better than I could...
 
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“Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.”
Heinrich Heine
"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."
- George Orwell

Not surprisingly, a Republican gets castigated for putting a torch to some books, but a Democrats working to censor or suppress them seem to get a pass.
 
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One Missouri GOP candidate has incorporated book burning into her campaign. Valentina Gomez, who is running for secretary of state, posted a video of herself burning public library books with a flamethrower.

A library catalog label can be seen attached to at least one of the burning books.

Last year, you may recall that candidate for governor Bill Eigel used a flamethrower on empty boxes to demonstrate his position on woke books and the liberal agenda. Metaphorically speaking.
American politics really is kids playing dress up. What baffles me is when the locals say “yep! That’s our guy/gal!”
 
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"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."
- George Orwell

Not surprisingly, a Republican gets castigated for putting a torch to some books, but a Democrats working to censor or suppress them seem to get a pass.
I'm not castigating or giving a pass to anyone, and I sure as heck ain't gonna support any attempt to censor or suppress anyone. I just think the idea of burning books is dangerous, even beyond the censorship part of it.

-- A2SG, cuz it too often doesn't stop there....
 
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So, you're unaware of this?

And? Were any laws or edicts passed stating Amazon could not sell such books? Did the government demand Amazon turn over it's physical inventory so the books could be destroyed? NO. They ASKED them to curtail their promotion and sale of books containing misinformation because it was a detriment to public health.

Republican legislations in this country are literally passing laws stating certain verified historical events can't be taught in public schools and you're trying to frame a completely non-binding request to a large distributor of information as some nefarious plot to censor conservative views?

That's absurd.
 
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And? Were any laws or edicts passed stating Amazon could not sell such books? Did the government demand Amazon turn over it's physical inventory so the books could be destroyed? NO. They ASKED them to curtail their promotion and sale of books containing misinformation because it was a detriment to public health.
In other words, Democrats who want to suppress information get a pass.
 
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In other words, Democrats who want to suppress information get a pass.
If those are the words you want to use that's your prerogative. That's not what is happening though. These things are not the same no matter how much you want to convince yourself and others they are.

It's all really telling though that conservatives get all bent out of shape when anyone talks about curbing or limiting mis and dis -information.
 
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I'm not castigating or giving a pass to anyone, and I sure as heck ain't gonna support any attempt to censor or suppress anyone. I just think the idea of burning books is dangerous, even beyond the censorship part of it.
The most significant thing is the suppression of information, whether it's done by behind-the-scene meddling, or a commission as some seem to have wanted just a few years ago, or by tossing a book on a bonfire.
 
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It's all really telling though that conservatives get all bent out of shape when anyone talks about curbing or limiting mis and dis -information.
Like what the UK Green Alliance has claimed Rowan Atkinson has made in pointing out the drawbacks of EV?

 
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Like what the UK Green Alliance has claimed Rowan Atkinson has made in pointing out the drawbacks of EV?
Oh no, people using free speech to comment on someone else's free speech!

OK, let's try to get back to the topic:

library books, removal and burning of.
 
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The most significant thing is the suppression of information, whether it's done by behind-the-scene meddling, or a commission as some seem to have wanted just a few years ago, or by tossing a book on a bonfire.
Yeah, but it's very hard to suppress an idea, no matter how many books containing that idea you burn. It just seems to me that those who burn books so often don't stop there.

-- A2SG, and Heinrich seems to agree...
 
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Oh no, people using free speech to comment on someone else's free speech!

OK, let's try to get back to the topic:

library books, removal and burning of.
I take it then that you support the suppression of information as long as it's done by a particular party.
 
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Yeah, but it's very hard to suppress an idea, no matter how many books containing that idea you burn. It just seems to me that those who burn books so often don't stop there.

-- A2SG, and Heinrich seems to agree...
The suppression of information never stops with the information itself. Disappearing people is the ultimate memory hole and happened all to often in the 20th Century. People like Solzhenitsyn have been among the lucky ones. To condemn one party and ignore or justify similar things by another is to focus on one tiger while another slips up behind you.
 
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The suppression of information never stops with the information itself. Disappearing people is the ultimate memory hole and happened all to often in the 20th Century. People like Solzhenitsyn have been among the lucky ones. To condemn one party and ignore or justify similar things by another is to focus on one tiger while another slips up behind you.
I haven't condemned or ignored anyone.

You sure you responded to the post you intended to?

-- A2SG, seem to be missing something here....
 
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