Missing link was a lie

[driewerf]

Very well, I will focus on this one:

How does the fossil record support rapid evolution?
How do you make the difference between your alleged rapid evolution, and the conventional view on evolution?

The real question is, 'why would I need to'?? How do you force the evidence into a present state origin? How would you know what state the world was in when the creatures died? Let's stick to what is KNOWN. We know that they died. We also see some divergence. Created kinds as the starting point, fits the bill something fierce there!

Although you reacted on my posting, you didn't answer the questions.
But, to answer your question: you put forward "rapid" evolution, against the scientific and against the material evidence. It is thus up to you to prove your point right. You are introducing a new concept - you have tp proof your point.
So now I would appreciate it, if you answered the questions here above.

 

[driewerf]

It is not my allegation that science rests on the premise that the laws and nature were the same. Really. It is their point, and yours if you defend them. It is indefensible.

It is very well defensible. I gave in this thread a few facts that point in that direction.
But above all, you introduces the notion that "fabric ofthe Universe " was different. It is up to you to back that claim.

 

[Orogeny]

Woah. Let's look at some modern ones living today. Seems like the experts are less certain than you..

"But it’s not just their varied shapes that makes them so interesting. It’s the fact that no one knows how they formed...

Cyanobacteria in other locations are famous for building a variety of structures, from thick rubbery mats to layered dome-like structures known as stromatolites, which are thought to have been the dominant form of life on early Earth. Today, though, they are rare, existing only in extreme environments.

Chris McKay of NASA Ames Research Center. McKay was one of the first scientists to scuba dive in Pavilion Lake. “When you look at structures like this, the standard hypothesis is that organisms are playing a role in creating them. But we haven’t proven that here.”

Looking for Life on Mars – in a Canadian Lake

Hey, guess what, those aren't stromatolites. Dad fails at science again, what a surprise.

 

[Split Rock]

Only in the twisted imagination of godless so called science devotees. In actual fact, nothing is connected to an unproven same state past. The only connection is imaginary.

"Vague balderdash."

I agree. Science is firmly stuck in the present.

That's not what I said. Stop playing dumb.

So, is there any pillow lava from pre flood? If so, where is it? Let's check the atomic structure, and microscopic details. You make the claim, you support it.

The evidence concerning pillow lava has been presented to you over and over. I'm not going to play your game and repeat it here.

Woah. Let's look at some modern ones living today. Seems like the experts are less certain than you..

Microbialites are not stromatolites, dad. Do you even read the stuff you cite?

No. You may know how they now form.

Why, because dad, "God's Little Echo," says so? Are you a geologist?

Vague balderdash. The different state past is a way of seeing how the bible was right, and where science gets off.

It is an ad hoc way of reconciling your narrow-minded interpretation of scripture with reality. There was a time when you virtually admitted this. Now you are so full of yourself that you no longer can.

Commentators have different opinions. It is not something that was black and white, and understood fully. With the newer evidence of science, such as the continental separation, combined with the info on the past in history and the bible, we can add a little depth to our former comprehension of that event.

Again, you claim "we." Who Is "We?" All you are doing is cutting and pasting from science , just as you do with scripture. The result is a merged mass of mishmass.

You are starting to sound obsessive.

I only want you to take your rightful place among the other great prophets of God... Moses and John the Baptist. You know that's what you want, why so you pretend differently?

 

[Split Rock]

You make the claim, you support it.

This is hilarious coming from you. How about you supporting your claims for once? How about you doing any of the following?

1. Explain in detail how the laws of thermodynamics were different pre-split. In particular, how it was that less heat was given by faster plate tectonics. Give us the details, not just "Vague Balderdash."

2. Explain in detail how the laws of electromagnetism were different pre-split. In particular the physical laws that "spiritual light" operated on. Give us the details, not just "Vague Balderdash."

3. Explain how pillow lava formed pre-split. Did it form at all? Give us the details, not just "Vague Balderdash."

4. Explain how stromatalites formed pre-split. Did they from at all? Give us the details, not just "Vague Balderdash."

5. Explain how coal and petroleum formed pre-split. What did it form from? What processes were required? Give us the details, not just "Vague Balderdash."

6. Explain how chalk, which is made of minute calcite plates (coccoliths) shed from micro-organisms called coccolithophores formed pre-split. Give us the details, not just "Vague Balderdash."

7. Explain how "rapid evolution" proceeded pre-split. What mechanisms did it operate under? Give us the details, not just "Vague Balderdash."

8. Show us the physical evidence in the geological and astronomical record of the actual "split" as it occured during the time of Peleg. Or are you going to claim that a change in the very laws of nature left no mark whatsoever?

Don't give us "well maybe," "I believe," "if perhaps," "Is it possible that." You have God's Inerrant Word that tells you and you alone the truth about the past and how science can't explain any of it. Put up now or admit you are a failure as "God's Little Echo."

 

[mpok1519]

The hyrax is the elephant's closest relative. But they don't look like each other;
how is it possible!?!

Evolution. The missing link of course doesn't look like a human; they're separated by millions of years of change and evolution.

 

[dad]

Although you reacted on my posting, you didn't answer the questions.
But, to answer your question: you put forward "rapid" evolution, against the scientific and against the material evidence. It is thus up to you to prove your point right. You are introducing a new concept - you have tp proof your point.
So now I would appreciate it, if you answered the questions here above.

There is no way that the fossil evidence suggests slow evolving, that I am aware of. So looking at a biblical speed is not new! YOU suggest there is scientific and material evidence it was slow. Pony up. I don't believe you.

 

[dad]

The hyrax is the elephant's closest relative. But they don't look like each other;
how is it possible!?!

Evolution. The missing link of course doesn't look like a human; they're separated by millions of years of change and evolution.

Says you. On what basis, and using what criteria are they the closest? Pony up.

 

[dad]

Hey, guess what, those aren't stromatolites. Dad fails at science again, what a surprise.

Well, they are made of the stuff that they are made of..no? Guess what, if you can't pony up for stuff here and now, where does that leave your credibility for biliions of imaniry years ago!!? Pony up.

 

[dad]

It is very well defensible. I gave in this thread a few facts that point in that direction.
But above all, you introduces the notion that "fabric ofthe Universe " was different. It is up to you to back that claim.

Hey, history and the bible back me up. What you got for a same state past? Nothing! Nothing points in the direction of a present state in the future or far past. Really. You are dreaming in technicolor. That's why you can't pony up.

 

[dad]

Dad
Im sure you just missed it.



Mind answering that one? Im just interested in your answer.

No, I could not be wrong on that, count on it. Men gave their lives, and were tortured, and all sorts of things defending that truth. It ain't up for grabs, or negotiable. It is absolute.

 

[dad]

How about a straight answer? Could you be wrong in thinking that the Bible is the word of God?

I wonder how many times you could reply and just pretend that I never asked, or answer a different question.

As the above post said, hell no.


Splt rock, I will answer your posts, but am having computer problems for a few days, so might be delayed....I prefer to reply to you on my own laptop..as it could require concentrating for a minute or two..

 

[Nostromo]

I prefer to reply to you on my own laptop..as it could require concentrating for a minute or two..

Don't hurt yourself on our account.

 

[Split Rock]

No, I could not be wrong on that, count on it. Men gave their lives, and were tortured, and all sorts of things defending that truth. It ain't up for grabs, or negotiable. It is absolute.

Men have given their lives for many different concepts over time. Does that make them all right? Were the 911 terrorists right because they gave their lives? While I realize the initial question was whether the Bible is God's Word, the more important question is: Does any of this have any bearing at all on whether your interpretation of scripture is correct?

Splt rock, I will answer your posts, but am having computer problems for a few days, so might be delayed....I prefer to reply to you on my own laptop..as it could require concentrating for a minute or two..

Take your time, dad. I look foward to you "ponying up," and not replying with "vague balderdash."

 

[Nostromo]

As the above post said, hell no.

Oh, yeah, this pretty much renders your claim of being reasonable null and void.

 

[Orogeny]

Well, they are made of the stuff that they are made of..no? Guess what, if you can't pony up for stuff here and now, where does that leave your credibility for biliions of imaniry years ago!!? Pony up.

Lizards are made of bones and meat. Are they mammals? No. These are calcitic cyanobacterial structures, but they are not stromatolites. Your fail continues. If you think these are the same as stromatolies, guess what, if you can't pony up for stuff here and now, where does that leave your credibility for multiples of imaniry states!!? Pony up.

 

[driewerf]

There is no way that the fossil evidence suggests slow evolving, that I am aware of. So looking at a biblical speed is not new! YOU suggest there is scientific and material evidence it was slow. Pony up. I don't believe you.

Claiming that "slow evolution" is unproven, is in no way a proof for rapid evolution.
So, I ask you again: show me how the fossil record sustains rapid evolution.

 

[driewerf]

But above all, you introduces the notion that "fabric ofthe Universe " was different. It is up to you to back that claim

Hey, history and the bible back me up. What you got for a same state past? Nothing! Nothing points in the direction of a present state in the future or far past. Really. You are dreaming in technicolor. That's why you can't pony up.

Not answering the question, that is.

 

[driewerf]

No, I could not be wrong on that, count on it. Men gave their lives, and were tortured, and all sorts of things defending that truth. It ain't up for grabs, or negotiable. It is absolute.

So, the fact that men gave their lifes makes it true?

Japanese soldiers gave their lifes for their emperor-god. Makes that Hiro-Hito truelly a god?
Men gave their life for the Bolshevik Revolution. Makes that Bolshevism true?
Islamic terrorists gave their lifes for the Jihad. Makes that Islam true?

I presume your answer on all the questions above will be "No".
And if that is the case, the point you tried to make is also invallid.

 

[mpok1519]

Says you.

No, silly goose, so says the experts on zoology; the people who dedicate their lives toward studying these animals.

On what basis, and using what criteria are they the closest? Pony up.

Genetics; and jaw and dental structure are some of the criteria ty use to determine that the hyrax is the elephant's closest livng relative.

Side note: what year did you get your biology degree?