Missing link was a lie

[DontTreadOnMike]

Actually science wasn't wrong. It was billed as a link between humans and our recent ancestors by THE MEDIA, not by scientists. But since when has the media known anything about anything?

YouTube - Ida Know

 

[USincognito]

Wasn't Ida found in the Messel fossil pits? The preservation of the messel fossil pits is astounding, and shows a wide variety of "tropical" animals that occured in Germany, including xenarthans.

Darwinus was a member of the Adapiformes, which according to cladistical analysis, are allied more closely with the strepsirrihines. In any case, the fossil is still a great find that expounds our knowledge and lends credence to the strengths of science.

This ^^^^^

Actually science wasn't wrong. It was billed as a link between humans and our recent ancestors by THE MEDIA, not by scientists. But since when has the media known anything about anything?{snip youtube link}

Awesome.

 

[Spacewyrm]

My last attempt at chicken pepperoni didn't go over that well. It was a bit dry. Any suggestions?

Also, evolution is awesome.

CHICKEN PEPPERONI!?


That's almost as shocking as "turkey bacon"!

 

[dad]

Evolution is a hoax. Old news.

It's well known that Darwinists, evolutionists, and other pseudoscientists and crackpots have to lie in order to be damned to Hell.

"...all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." -- Revelation 21:8

I believe in evolution, from the created kinds. Stand down, man.

 

[dad]

So... it wasn't so much a lie as it was a misinterpretation. Cool! Science at work.

PS this doesn't disprove squat. K BYE!

No, it was a lie. There is no link to man. Let alone any missing link to man.

 

[dad]

We already know Agonaces is the missing link.

We know you are, but what am I?

 

[dad]

Oh noes! Science was wrong about one thing, and our cladistics was altered slightly to account for our new knowledge! It must all be a lie!

Thanks for admitting science was wrong. It should be quiet, unless it knows. That would be..almost always.

 

[dad]

I must have missed in that article where it was stated that it was, in any sense, a lie, fraud, etc. Seems to me it was simply another in a long line of instances of science correcting itself. Who knew!

The article disn't state that. I did. Because the whole thing was a lie, there is no link to man, they admit it. Don't blame me.

 

[dad]

Disagreements are common in science, in fact it's what makes science work. Here's a research group that disagrees with another research group's assessment that Darwinius and other adapiform fossils "could represent a stem group from which later anthropoid primates evolved." ("could" being a key-word), and creationists behave as this is the ultimate proof that shows that it wasn't a so-called missing link, and even more that the first research group must have been lying.

If it makes you feel any better, they are all full of it! Look at the basis for the claims....rubbish, and religion.

Seems certain creationists choose sides in disagreements based on nothing but their own biases, while they consider the mere existence of a disagreement as the ultimate proof that their side is correct and that the other side must have been deliberately lying.

Oh, no, I do not chose sides. They are both nuts. I just point out how they can't be believed, when they shoot each other in the foot.

The funniest thing is that the researchers these creationists suddenly support entirely without question are themselves professional evolutionists.

Peter

They your lip curled for nothing. I do not support anything about any of the liars.

 

[IzzyPop]

My last attempt at chicken pepperoni didn't go over that well. It was a bit dry. Any suggestions?

Also, evolution is awesome.

I have found that adding a small amount of mushrooms to chicken and turkey dishes helps the moisture problem associated with them. Give them a couple of spins in the food processor to get the pieces small enough, though. A knife will just get you chicken and mushroom pepperoni.

 

[plindboe]

If it makes you feel any better, they are all full of it! Look at the basis for the claims....rubbish, and religion.

Without explaining why you think they are full of it, what your problem is with the basis for the claims, why you think it's rubbish and a religion, you're not really saying anything. I'm guessing you're just venting.

That said, I'm wondering why a religious person such as yourself consider religion to be a bad thing. Do you also use the words "faith" and "dogma" in a derogatory fashion? Have you ever wondered why you do that?

Oh, no, I do not chose sides. They are both nuts. I just point out how they can't be believed, when they shoot each other in the foot.

They your lip curled for nothing. I do not support anything about any of the liars.

So,

Premise: Disagreement
Conclusion: They're all wrong.

Is that it? Can you explain how it follows logically? There must be tons of other premises you're not telling us.

I'm also curious why you don't apply the same logic to christianity.

Peter

 

[Nostromo]

Because Christianity is right, duh!

 

[Split Rock]

No, it was a lie. There is no link to man. Let alone any missing link to man.

It is still a missing link, though... isn't it?

The article disn't state that. I did. Because the whole thing was a lie, there is no link to man, they admit it. Don't blame me.

You keep using that word, "lie." I don't think it means what you think it means.

If it makes you feel any better, they are all full of it! Look at the basis for the claims....rubbish, and religion.

The basis is stuff like the fossils and their position in the geological column, etc. What is the basis for your claims? Your warped and fallible interpretation of scripture. Which do you think we should view as more reliable? How are things in dad's Lonely Church of One?

 

[Friendly.Atheist]

Oh hey! Look what I found! An honest article from when the discovery was first revealed that accurately reflects the ideas of the relevant scientific community at the time..
Scientists Unveil Ancient Fossilised Primate - World - Javno

Notice the following phrases..
"a primate from 47 million years ago that may have been a close relative of the common ancestor of monkeys, apes and people"
"could shed light on an early stage of primate evolution"
"may resemble one of the earliest ancestors of humans but was not likely to have been a direct ancestor"
"we are of course not stating that this is our direct ancestor"

 

[YoungEarthAstronomer]

Well, some may be surprised.

"A fossil that was celebrated last year as a possible "missing link" between humans and early primates is actually a forebearer of modern-day lemurs and lorises, according to two papers by scientists at The University of Texas at Austin, Duke University and the University of Chicago."

Interesting article.

Ho hum. Kids, Isn't it time to not believe a lying word these dreamers say to begin with?

More and more people everyday are leaving the theory of evolution and embracing ID or creationism. Deep down all evolutionists know their belief is nothing but a lie and hoax.

 

[troodon]

Deep down all evolutionists know their belief is nothing but a lie and hoax.

Do I?

 

[Nostromo]

I think you might have us confused with scientologists.

 

[laconicstudent]

More and more people everyday are leaving the theory of evolution and embracing ID or creationism.

1. Really? Is that so?

2. If so, it is only a sign that our school system is awful

Deep down all evolutionists know their belief is nothing but a lie and hoax.

Oh yeah, I admit it. I know its all a lie, but in my horribly evil I am just desperate to pull the wool over the eyes of the layman.

 

[dad]

Without explaining why you think they are full of it, what your problem is with the basis for the claims, why you think it's rubbish and a religion, you're not really saying anything. I'm guessing you're just venting.

No, I have explained many times what so called sciences use as a premise. They look at how it now works. How fast evolution happens at the moment, how genes work now, and etc.

example

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Variation is caused by the mutation of genes or by an error in the replication of genes from one generation to the next. [error? who says that when rapid evolution existed in the different past, errors were the reason for changes? If evolving was a created trait, it was no error! The freaky little mutated way things slowly change now, is not the measure at all for how it was...UNLESS you first prove the past had the same laws] In any given environmental condition some traits will be better suited to survive in that environment than others.
Basic Genetics

Every organism has two alleles for every trait. Alleles can be recessive or dominant. As the name implies when a dominant allele is paired with a recessive allele the dominant allele is expressed. Recessive alleles are only expressed when paired with the same recessive allele.
That is a very simplified explanation; alleles can also be co-dominant and share expression. A species can have more than two alleles for a trait, but each individual can only have two.[ but how did it work at the time most evolution occured, is the question they miss]

Selective Pressures

A selective pressure is an environmental factor that acts upon an organism. This can be caused directly by the environment or as an interaction between organisms. An example of a selective pressure that is caused directly by the environment is an organism’s ability to survive in extreme heat. An example that is an interaction between organisms is a prey animal’s ability to hide from a predator.
Genetic Drift

Genetic drift occurs by the random mating and changes in gene recombination. [It 'works' that way, yes, but how did it work?] Over time when one allele is even slightly more common than the other alleles for that trait it will gradually become even more common until it is fixed within a population. [ over time...no. only in the present, they assume it was the same, and even such basic stuff as what makes alleles work, and how they now work] When a trait is fixed in a population, there is no longer any genetic variation for that trait in that population – [in the present, that is how it works] for example a population with only brown eyes can be said to be fixed for that trait.
Evolution through Natural Selection

Evolution occurs when selective pressures act upon variable traits. [pressures assumed to be in this state, and the same as today, more or less] This normally happens very, very gradually, but can happen quickly when the environment changes dramatically within a short period of time.
If a selective pressure affects the survival of some members of a population then those not negatively affected will have greater success at breeding and replicating their genes. This causes the percentage of alleles to shift in favor of the alleles of the more successful individuals. Over time this may cause a permanent change and the allele that is favored may become fixed.
One modern day example of evolution through natural selection is that of the Peppered Moth. There are two basic alleles in this species which attribute to the color of the moth; pale with speckles and black. The pale moth was by far the more common of the two forms (‘morphs’) and it was once perfectly camouflaged against the moss and lichen on tree bark. After industrialization the trees near large cities and industrial plants became dark with soot and the moss died. In these areas the dark colored moth is now much more common. It is believed that because the light colored moths were no longer camouflaged they were more easily seen and eaten by predators such as birds. This meant that the black moths were better camouflaged and were more successful at reproducing. In less polluted areas the pale moth is still more common, further supporting the theory that the change was caused by adaptation."
Evolution: Basic Principles of Evolutionary Theory

etc etc

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That said, I'm wondering why a religious person such as yourself consider religion to be a bad thing. Do you also use the words "faith" and "dogma" in a derogatory fashion? Have you ever wondered why you do that?

No. Faith in Baal, and idols, for example, in the past was faith. Yet they burned babies alive as a sacrifice, I do not wonder at all why I have disgust with some faiths. Not at all. They were better than the mad modern butchers, by the way, that slay millions of kids.

So,

Premise: Disagreement
Conclusion: They're all wrong.

Nope. I knew they were wrong before. The disagreement on the silly false claim is just for the benefit of those poor sods that atill take these clowns seriously.


Hope that helps.

 

[dad]

Interesting article.



More and more people everyday are leaving the theory of evolution and embracing ID or creationism. Deep down all evolutionists know their belief is nothing but a lie and hoax.

I accept that evolution happened in spades, in a different state past, and was a created trait. The only real issue I have with 'evolution' is godless evolution over long ages, that has no known starting point, and is a complete satanic fabrication.