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dad, you do realise that you'd fail the genetics and evolution section on even the most basic biology paper, don't you? The reason being that you don't understand it.

What did they study in your school? Was it one of those ID biology classes you hear about in education horror stories from the Bible Belt in America? Or did you have a normal curriculum and just not understand it?
 
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I accept that evolution happened in spades, in a different state past, and was a created trait. The only real issue I have with 'evolution' is godless evolution over long ages, that has no known starting point, and is a complete satanic fabrication.
If there's anyone here who fits the description "The Great Deceiver", it's you.
 
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No, I have explained many times what so called sciences use as a premise. They look at how it now works. How fast evolution happens at the moment, how genes work now, and etc.

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Variation is caused by the mutation of genes or by an error in the replication of genes from one generation to the next. [error? who says that when rapid evolution existed in the different past, errors were the reason for changes? If evolving was a created trait, it was no error! The freaky little mutated way things slowly change now, is not the measure at all for how it was...UNLESS you first prove the past had the same laws] In any given environmental condition some traits will be better suited to survive in that environment than others.

As far as I can see there's no reason to assume magic was at some point involved.



Basic Genetics

Every organism has two alleles for every trait. Alleles can be recessive or dominant. As the name implies when a dominant allele is paired with a recessive allele the dominant allele is expressed. Recessive alleles are only expressed when paired with the same recessive allele.
That is a very simplified explanation; alleles can also be co-dominant and share expression. A species can have more than two alleles for a trait, but each individual can only have two.[ but how did it work at the time most evolution occured, is the question they miss]

Selective Pressures

A selective pressure is an environmental factor that acts upon an organism. This can be caused directly by the environment or as an interaction between organisms. An example of a selective pressure that is caused directly by the environment is an organism’s ability to survive in extreme heat. An example that is an interaction between organisms is a prey animal’s ability to hide from a predator.
Genetic Drift

Genetic drift occurs by the random mating and changes in gene recombination. [It 'works' that way, yes, but how did it work?] Over time when one allele is even slightly more common than the other alleles for that trait it will gradually become even more common until it is fixed within a population. [ over time...no. only in the present, they assume it was the same, and even such basic stuff as what makes alleles work, and how they now work] When a trait is fixed in a population, there is no longer any genetic variation for that trait in that population – [in the present, that is how it works] for example a population with only brown eyes can be said to be fixed for that trait.
Evolution through Natural Selection

Evolution occurs when selective pressures act upon variable traits. [pressures assumed to be in this state, and the same as today, more or less] This normally happens very, very gradually, but can happen quickly when the environment changes dramatically within a short period of time.
If a selective pressure affects the survival of some members of a population then those not negatively affected will have greater success at breeding and replicating their genes. This causes the percentage of alleles to shift in favor of the alleles of the more successful individuals. Over time this may cause a permanent change and the allele that is favored may become fixed.
One modern day example of evolution through natural selection is that of the Peppered Moth. There are two basic alleles in this species which attribute to the color of the moth; pale with speckles and black. The pale moth was by far the more common of the two forms (‘morphs’) and it was once perfectly camouflaged against the moss and lichen on tree bark. After industrialization the trees near large cities and industrial plants became dark with soot and the moss died. In these areas the dark colored moth is now much more common. It is believed that because the light colored moths were no longer camouflaged they were more easily seen and eaten by predators such as birds. This meant that the black moths were better camouflaged and were more successful at reproducing. In less polluted areas the pale moth is still more common, further supporting the theory that the change was caused by adaptation."
Evolution: Basic Principles of Evolutionary Theory

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If there's no reason (i.e. evidence) to indicate that laws were different, there's no reason to assume they were. One can always dream up an infinite amount of different laws and scenarios, and it's kinda silly to demand that science disprove them all.


No. Faith in Baal, and idols, for example, in the past was faith. Yet they burned babies alive as a sacrifice, I do not wonder at all why I have disgust with some faiths. Not at all. They were better than the mad modern butchers, by the way, that slay millions of kids.

I'm not wondering whether you have disgust with some faiths. I'm wondering why you use the word "faith" to put something down and describe it as unreliable. It's like you acknowledge that the label "faith" in itself makes something untrustworthy.


Nope. I knew they were wrong before. The disagreement on the silly false claim is just for the benefit of those poor sods that atill take these clowns seriously.

People here are well aware that scientists debate and disagree with each other. Your point with this thread seems to highlight a disagreement, and from that you somehow want people to come to the conclusion that they're all wrong. If you can't provide more premises, you're not making a logical argument.

Peter :)
 
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I accept that evolution happened in spades, in a different state past, and was a created trait. The only real issue I have with 'evolution' is godless evolution over long ages, that has no known starting point, and is a complete satanic fabrication.

Disagreements between evolutionists as highlighted by this thread must be Satan disagreeing with himself then. I guess Satan is a schizophrenic.

Peter :)
 
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More and more people everyday are leaving the theory of evolution and embracing ID or creationism.
Is that why the "doubter" lists all have the same names on them that never change over time?

Deep down all evolutionists know their belief is nothing but a lie and hoax.
Really? Since I don't, I guess that must mean you are the one embrasing a lie. Correct?

You claim you used to be a science researcher. May I ask what research you took part in?
 
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Disagreements between evolutionists as highlighted by this thread must be Satan disagreeing with himself then. I guess Satan is a schizophrenic.

Peter :)
Tweedleydee and tweedlydum, more like it. Of course a house divided against itself cannot stand. But it's fun watching them shoot each other in the foot.
 
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If there's no reason (i.e. evidence) to indicate that laws were different, there's no reason to assume they were.

No reason in science, no, they are deaf dumb and blind to anything but the present. Of course the bible and history are fantastic reasons to accept the obvious, that the past was sure not like now. Also...remember, If there's no reason (i.e. evidence) to indicate that laws were the same, there's no reason to assume they were



One can always dream up an infinite amount of different laws and scenarios, and it's kinda silly to demand that science disprove them all.
One can assume any state, including a same state and the same thing applies. So science is gutted. Useless in this matter. Yet it assumes a certain state, and fabricates all thing from there.




I'm not wondering whether you have disgust with some faiths. I'm wondering why you use the word "faith" to put something down and describe it as unreliable. It's like you acknowledge that the label "faith" in itself makes something untrustworthy.
Science is supposed to be something more than that. To be reduced to faith based arguments for it, is a death knell. Not for bible believers.



People here are well aware that scientists debate and disagree with each other. Your point with this thread seems to highlight a disagreement, and from that you somehow want people to come to the conclusion that they're all wrong. If you can't provide more premises, you're not making a logical argument.

Peter :)
Nope. It was to highlight a claim made that a fossil was a missing link with man. Now they are exposed as wrong.
 
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If there's anyone here who fits the description "The Great Deceiver", it's you.
How would you know? You don't know the sytate of the past. Speculation. But thanks for the capitol G! It sounds like my ideas give you pause for thought.
 
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dad, you do realise that you'd fail the genetics and evolution section on even the most basic biology paper, don't you? The reason being that you don't understand it.

What did they study in your school? Was it one of those ID biology classes you hear about in education horror stories from the Bible Belt in America? Or did you have a normal curriculum and just not understand it?
Nope. You do not know what you are talking about. Illustrate for us here where I went wrong...:) Lurkers, well...you know:)
 
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Variation is caused by the mutation of genes or by an error in the replication of genes from one generation to the next. [error? who says that when rapid evolution existed in the different past, errors were the reason for changes? If evolving was a created trait, it was no error! The freaky little mutated way things slowly change now, is not the measure at all for how it was...UNLESS you first prove the past had the same laws] In any given environmental condition some traits will be better suited to survive in that environment than others.
Basic Genetics

Let's start with this. You've stated that gene mutation as a means of change and evolution in the present day was not how it occurred in the past. Your examiner will now be agog to hear what you think happened in the past. Add in to that the phrase ' if evolving was a created trait' and you're heading for a big fat zero.
 
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Let's start with this. You've stated that gene mutation as a means of change and evolution in the present day was not how it occurred in the past. Your examiner will now be agog to hear what you think happened in the past. Add in to that the phrase ' if evolving was a created trait' and you're heading for a big fat zero.
My "examiner"? Is that like the Inquisition? How would I know how it happens in heaven? Or Eden? I can ask if it is the same though! And I can answer too, NO!
 
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The examiner, as in the person who marks your exam answers on a genetics and evolution course to judge your understanding of the subject.

He would need to understand it himself first.

I would conclude that He hadn't the foggiest idea of the subject.
 
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So you'd fail the exam and prove you don't understand the subject. Well done.

Telling the examiner that he doesn't understand the subject he's testing you on proves only your own incompetence.

I'm guessing you avoided that tactic when you took exams. If you've taken any, that is.

Perhaps you tried it on your driving test examiner.
 
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So you'd fail the exam and prove you don't understand the subject. Well done.
Nonsense. What exam? I understand. I understand that they presume that this present evolving, and life processes are all there was...for NO reason. Address that. Don't you get it, I am examining the examiners. They fail.

Telling the examiner that he doesn't understand the subject he's testing you on proves only your own incompetence.
That depends...let's see what the imaginary examiner knows. Don't just tell us how smart and tough he would be! Get down.

I'm guessing you avoided that tactic when you took exams. If you've taken any, that is.
We are looking at their basis for claims here. Help them pass if you can.
 
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I can only assume you don't have many qualifications, dad.
I have this qualification, I can say you do not seem to be able to produce an actual argument for us. Have you some point about how evolving works, and how we know it did work? Otherwise you are wasting our time.
I don't stand in the field of battle to hear someone whine. Let's see what you got.
 
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