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No. But let's face it, do you see wven lame attempts at a bible case here? No. Mostly insults to the spiritual, and bible, and God.

I could just pull an Elijah. If God is the one true God, let him show himself. Poof an apple up in front of me right now. I find it weird that he isn't as active as he was in the Bible.

So, if any one cares to post something other than the devil's little echos here, I would relish the opportunity to meet their case head on. But, you see, I already been there, done that. Moving on..

If I remember correctly, we had a discussion on the "different state past" in another thread (pillow lava and all of that). All I saw from you was "you don't know, you don't know, you don't know", rather than any decent rebuttals.

Yes I am, I can read. I can also look at the basis for the claims.

Very few of your claims are supported by the Bible, unless you consider taking vague verses and twisting them to match your beliefs.

God had provided salvation for eternity, that beats aspirin.

Question is, why does an all-loving God require a blood sacrifice?

He will provide a new body, that beats milk of Magnesia, and oil of Olay.

Milk of magnesia is nasty.

God has flying wheels, that pre date this universe. That beats the space shuttle. More questions??

Will we have free will in heaven? If I accept Christ as my lord and savior right now, will I still have free will on whether I want to sin or not when I get to heaven? If not, why?

How would you know? Can you see inspiration oozing through a man's body thousands of years ago? Or are you just making an uninformed assumption?

How would you know? Can you see inspiration oozing through a man's body thousands of years ago? Or are you just making an uninformed assumption based on a fallible man's interpretation of scripture? If not, do you have a direct link to God?

Any true look at the future would have to be absurd to those using a temporary state view of all things.

So if our "temporary state" interpretations can reliably explains observations in geologic strata, why assume otherwise? If pillow lava is formed in aquatic environments today, why assume it was different in the past?

As for my bible positions, you are welcome to challenge them. What's a matter, cat got your tongue?

I would like to see a verse that explicitly says the physical state of the past was different from now. Secondly, when did the past state change over to the present state and when will the present state change over to the future state?

My deduction that the future is the key to the past, rather than the present is rock solid, biblically. Put up, or pipe down.

I'll ask the question again. When did the past state change over change over to the present state, and when will the present state change over to the future state?
 
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How about every time you have a prophecy you make a post about it here (or at least send me a PM about it). I'll keep a tally of how accurate you turn out to be.


Better yet maybe blow the dust off your Bible and dig deep. Start with Matthew chapter 24. Personally I have not had any prophecies given to me, the one I spoke of was a prophesy someone else spoke over me. We actually recorded the words of all prophecies given at that time and it is totaly mind boggling how accurate they were. Even more so for those who are doubtfull skeptic's.
 
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Better yet maybe blow the dust off your Bible and dig deep. Start with Matthew chapter 24. Personally I have not had any prophecies given to me, the one I spoke of was a prophesy someone else spoke over me. We actually recorded the words of all prophecies given at that time and it is totaly mind boggling how accurate they were. Even more so for those who are doubtfull skeptic's.
Some minds are more easily boggled than others.
 
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Fail. Your obviously rather lacking when it comes to spiritual things, dont feel bad about that though for its understandable when you believe everything is ONLY natural. The vision did not say earthquakes brought the New York skyscrapers down. What he sees and hears in his vision are "I heard the world market collapsing with mighty earthquakes, and New York skyscrapers were tumbling -" So prior to this happening he seen in his vision the world market collapsing, which was fulfilled,with mighty earthquakes, being fullfilled, NewYork skyscrapers tumbling,which was fullfilled.
Now if you are up to date in the spiritual, the prophecies coming out right now are not pleasant. As far as earthquakes from what I have been hearing we have seen nothing yet. Wrap those valuable fossils, because there is going to be a whole lot of shaking going on. That which is not found in the Rock, Jesus Christ will tumble and crumble. More fossils will be made though for many BIG floods are prophesied as well. I am going by what I have been hearing. These are just the "beginning of sorrows" before the return of Christ. There is so much more, and no matter how much I was to post here you would just scoff and laugh and try and reason it all away. Similar to what the scoffers did in the days of Noah. Just went about their merry way ignoring all the warnings until it was too late.


Prophecies and visions are real and are received and proclaimed and fullfilled no matter what you think about them. God Himself tells us this in His Word.

So, you're predicting the End of Days, are you? How many times have "True Believers" like yourself predicted the end of the world and the coming of The Rapture? How many times were they right? None. You expect me to believe your prediction is different? Talk about Fail.

You also claim I am "obviously rather lacking when it comes to spiritual things." Strangely, that has nothing to do with this thread... does it? On more than one occassion, I have been told by the mods not to engage in a GA debate in this part of the Forum... yet, you Creationists invite it all the time. I haven't yet figured out how to answer you guys and not engage in GA. It is, afterall, all you really have. Once you are done with the psuedo-science and the libelous mud-slinging, you always fall back on apologetics.
 
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So, you're predicting the End of Days, are you? How many times have "True Believers" like yourself predicted the end of the world and the coming of The Rapture? How many times were they right? None. You expect me to believe your prediction is different? Talk about Fail.

You also claim I am "obviously rather lacking when it comes to spiritual things." Strangely, that has nothing to do with this thread... does it? On more than one occassion, I have been told by the mods not to engage in a GA debate in this part of the Forum... yet, you Creationists invite it all the time. I haven't yet figured out how to answer you guys and not engage in GA. It is, afterall, all you really have. Once you are done with the psuedo-science and the libelous mud-slinging, you always fall back on apologetics.


If you check back to my first post in here it was in reply to a comment you said about "spirit things". Dont be caught sleeping.:wave:
 
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Why are we talking about the Bible? It isn't an acceptable source for science. I thought we were talking about fossils.

What's the point arguing fossils with dad. After all, different-state-past, therefore everything was different enough exactly as needed that he's right and you're wrong! So-called science can't stand up to the power of the :wave:.

How would you know? Can you see inspiration oozing through a man's body thousands of years ago? Or are you just making an uninformed assumption based on a fallible man's interpretation of scripture? If not, do you have a direct link to God?

dad doesn't need a direct link to God! Don't you know, dad is infallible! If God himself came down and told dad he was in error, dad would kick his behind and give him what's for! :doh:
 
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If you check back to my first post in here it was in reply to a comment you said about "spirit things". Dont be caught sleeping.:wave:

Who started posting about the "spiritual" here? Your compatriot, dad. Awake yet?

I noticed you ignored my question... and you seem to be trying to forget all the slander you posted in this thread. Typical, huh?
 
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Earthquakes are natural geological events; there are perfecly scientiic explanations behind them too. I don't think Chile, Haiti, and Turkey are examples
of Gods wrath in the end times.


It's a whole lot more than just earthquakes.
 
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Who started posting about the "spiritual" here? Your compatriot, dad. Awake yet?

I noticed you ignored my question... and you seem to be trying to forget all the slander you posted in this thread. Typical, huh?


Slander? Are you for real? :confused:
 
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It's a whole lot more than just earthquakes.


Natural catastrophe is not God's wrath. The end times are a metaphor for how humans could create our own apocalypse from irresponsible energy consumption, pollution, greed fueled war, etc, and prophecy is the warning against that.
 
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I could just pull an Elijah. If God is the one true God, let him show himself. Poof an apple up in front of me right now. I find it weird that he isn't as active as he was in the Bible.


He's been there, done that. He even got fancy, and showed Himself risen from the dead. Your problem so far, is that you do not accept eyewitnesses. He showed Himself enough on the mount, so that His finger wrote the ten commandments. He showed Himself to Adam and Eve a lot. He appeared in His flying ship to Ezekiel, and some saw Him in the fiery furnace with the Hebrew children. We saw Him at supper, and riding animals, and on boats, and walking, and in the temple. So don't give us ..'if only we saw a miracle' routine.



If I remember correctly, we had a discussion on the "different state past" in another thread (pillow lava and all of that). All I saw from you was "you don't know, you don't know, you don't know", rather than any decent rebuttals.
I think what really came down was that you did not know, did not know. If you wanna compare notes on our educated guesses of some formation, fine. My guess is as good as yours.



Very few of your claims are supported by the Bible, unless you consider taking vague verses and twisting them to match your beliefs.
A new heavens is bible 101. Find me any Christian that doesn't believe in that, and I will be surprised. Eden was like that, in so many ways, so one can assume they have a lot of similarities.



Question is, why does an all-loving God require a blood sacrifice?
The price has to be paid. I think that is something I need to learn, and mankind in general needs to learn. We need to be a good as our word. If we make a covenant, or agreement, we need to live up to our side of the bargain. God does.

Will we have free will in heaven? If I accept Christ as my lord and savior right now, will I still have free will on whether I want to sin or not when I get to heaven? If not, why?
Maybe some believer has a better answer than I, for that. My understanding is that we will have free will, just like Adam did. Let's hope this giant experiment of a sin world gone mad will be enough to make us want to not go that route again! Jesus was down here Himself, and was tempted in all things like as we are, yet without sin. So He knows the nitty gritty score, there. I wouldn't be surprised if He uses that knowledge, and experience, in helping us...



How would you know? Can you see inspiration oozing through a man's body thousands of years ago? Or are you just making an uninformed assumption based on a fallible man's interpretation of scripture? If not, do you have a direct link to God?
How would I know? I looked into it. I looked at the prophesies fulfilled. I looked at a lot of impacted lives over all time. For every action (impacted life) there has to be an equal an opposite reaction, as well as something that actually does the impacting. Like a crater on the moon, we know something had to do it! For us that are saved, we taste heavenly thing, and gifts, and comfort, and all sorts of things. So we know that we are not talking dreams here.



So if our "temporary state" interpretations can reliably explains observations in geologic strata, why assume otherwise? If pillow lava is formed in aquatic environments today, why assume it was different in the past?
That depends. Maybe there is no reason to assume it was not formed in this state? Depends on the formation. But as far as the strata in general, all they ever used was a same state explanation. It all has to fit that premise.



I would like to see a verse that explicitly says the physical state of the past was different from now. Secondly, when did the past state change over to the present state and when will the present state change over to the future state?
Well, there are oodles of verses that talk of things impossible in this state. Like the separation of water from land in creation week. Like the spirit level at the time of Babel, they tried to build up to. Like fast plant growth. Like long life spans. There is a point after the flood, where it talks of the earth being divided. That is where I deduce the big change happened, about a century and change after the flood. The word for divided, can be interpreted 'split'. The new heavens are after the thousand year reign of Christ on earth, after He returns.
 
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No? Then why are you claiming the theory of evolution is "unholy" and "unbiblical" if you are not the judge?

Whether I have a bible case or not, has nothing to do with evolution..? Of course anyone claiming God is a liar, and that He did not create is a liar.


But you are citing any scientific literature, just your fallible interpretation of scripture. That is what you base dadology on, not science, nor reason, nor reality.
You may as well cite Mother Goose, as scientific literature, when it comes to talking about the future universe! You can't cite any that proves the future or far past was in this state. It is sidelined, something fierce.


You make claims, but can prove none of them. In any case, none of it has anything to do with your faulty interpretation of scripture.. does it?
My claims are based on a more solid foundation that the nothing guesses of present state science. The calendar is set to things spiritual.




Inspiration is one thing, claiming God wrote the Bible is quite another. Claiming your interpretation of scripture is God's Word, is Blasphemy.
So sue me. Inspiration is invisible, and required if God wrote the bible. You are in no position whatsoever to say it was not there. Claiming that the future will be different is not interpretation. It is basic belief, and undeniable. Calling in blasphemy is insanity.


I've challenged your absurd interpretation of scripture many times before... are you losing your memory, dad? "The Split" had nothing to do with physical vs spiritual separation. It refers to the separation of the tribes of man, and that is obvious if you do not take scripture out of context, or are trying to create an an hoc explanation for why your interpretation does not fit with reality.
They don't know. Of course it also included that. Some extend it to also include languages. Others also to include the separation of the continents. All are fair game here. I simply extend it to something that no one ever realized happened before, the universe state change.


BULL. It is a fantasy, since no man (not even "God's little echo") can summon the future.
The future is heaven and hell, and the new heavens and earth. The spiritual is very much included. You must accept that.
 
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Who wrote a book? God? That's funny, I've never heard of it... Oh, you mean the Bible!? Huh... pretty sure it was written by humans.
Nope. God came in and possessed them, more or less. Of course they wanted Him in them. They no more wrote it, than a car drives itself to work! You just were not there to see the driver. So you don't know. Be honest.

By the way, even if God wrote the Bible, most of the stuff you "echo" seems largely extra-Biblical. Perhaps you shouldn't pretend that your fallible human deductions and ad hoc explainations are equivalent to echoing God's word? Just a thought. :wave:
Perhaps you should pretend you have a bible case, and make like we are discussing it. Otherwise, it is empty blab.
 
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Why are we talking about the Bible? It isn't an acceptable source for science. I thought we were talking about fossils.
You did? Can you cite somewhere in the OP where is says that, in looking where the religious liars went wrong, we had to stick to just the physical? Or anywhere else? Whats a matter, the bible choke you up, can't stand it? Have you not heard, that it beats the bejinkers out of present only in box thinking??
 
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Your problem so far, is that you do not accept eyewitnesses.
The problem is not that he does not accept eyewitnesses, but which eyewitness testimony to accept, and ascertaining whether an account is indeed written by an eyewitness.

You are in the worse position of claiming that eyewitness testimony is the best evidence we have, but at the same time you reject a great many eyewitness accounts on the basis that they contradict your opinions.
 
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