Missing link was a lie

[dad]

But disagreements are not mistakes, they're an integrated and encouraged part of science.

Nope. Only disagreements within two opinions that are solidly based might be a part of science. Evolution taken any further than Eden is NOT solidly or even weakly based, it is utterly baseless, and in no possible way science. Only falselsy so called. If we had to sci guys arguing over the bset way to make me a softer toilet tissue, or a safer bridge, yes, there is room for opinion, and disagreement. When both parties are flying blind, and based on assuming stupid stuff, they are both wrong, and either one is right in pointing out the mistake of the other!

Conspiracies are secretive by definition. Frequent, vocal disagreement is the exact thing you should never expect to find in any conspiracy.

Spo, whoo mentioned conspiracy here? Not me. Don't try and hang that bumrap on me. It won't stick. Frequent vocal disagreement is what we expect in a high traffic area, where no one knows where they are going also. Or, if there were grants (money, employment) at stake, we also could expect human nature of the present to kick in, and have both sides try to be the one smelling like a rose.

They have a bad foundation, so naturally one would watch the other guy's hose come tumblin down, as both hoses must do. Only question is who gets caught first!

I am calm. There's no reason why your reasoning should only apply to the distant past. By only applying it to the past you're being inconsistant.

With....what? The present? Of course the present is inconsistent with the new heaven state coming. Of course it also would be different with the far past state if it also were different. It would be inconsistent to claim it was the same. Unless of course, you had what you do not have..proof.

*When you approach a red light in your car you assume that universal laws determining friction haven't changed since you last stepped on the break pedal.
*When you set your alarm clock to wake you next morning you assume that time will work practically the same in the near future, so that the alarm will wake you up when need be.
*When you put one leg in front of the other to take a step you assume that your muscles and neurons will work as before so you won't fall down.

In all these cases you assume that the rules haven't changed in the past and won't change in the future, instead of insisting that you first have to disprove any imaginary scenario that could have made them different. Without evidence to the contrary, there's no reason to think that the rules have changed.

Just like I assume a God that set up a prison temporarly for man, woulld have rules that work. Yes. But no ones says they will work in heaven! Nor in Eden. That is merely assumed by the carnal minded crowd.

Basically it's Occam's razor-thinking. You don't add unevidenced hypotheses and you stick to the working explanation, until there's a substantial reason to make changes.

I have a world of reason, and observations. No same state past is evidenced, however, and even the monk can't help you there.

You apply this thinking to everything else in life, but concerning the distant past you mysteriously make an exception.

The life I apply it to happens to be less than 120 years. Probably less than 100. Maybe a lot less, who knows? I look at known history, and apply our laws as far as they have been observed to exist. As you should know, the records of man get pretty sparse in just several thousand years. It is as we approch that unknown area, that I see distinct changes in the records. Such as long life spans. Such as spiritual beings living among men. And, such as all the differences outlined in the bible.

So, I am not one to dishonestly pretend that I know by science, what the far past, or future is like. For those so inclined, you can no longer get away with it. A few of us are starting to pay attention.

Again, this doesn't answer my question. If all faith is bad, then it makes sense to use the word 'faith' in a derogatory fashion. You on the other hand believe that some faith is bad and some faith is good, yet you use the word 'faith' as if the label denotes something bad.

Faith in a known Living God, that has sacredly preserved scripture, and real people that saw stuff is a great thing. Blind faith that this pesent state will continue always, until the universe goes into a black hole and dies, is a bad thing. Not all faith is equal.

You disagree with me, and I disagree with you. By your logic that proves that we are both wrong.

Nope, because we are not both coming from the same premises, as so called science must do. When we get out into the real world, we start to deal in known quantities, unlike so called science. They are worse than the old religionists who argued how many angels could dance on the head of a pin! These sorry so called scientists argue over how many universes could fit on the head of a pin! Ridiculous.

 

[SLP]

Well, some may be surprised.

"A fossil that was celebrated last year as a possible "missing link" between humans and early primates is actually a forebearer of modern-day lemurs and lorises, according to two papers by scientists at The University of Texas at Austin, Duke University and the University of Chicago."
'Missing link' fossil was not human ancestor as claimed, anthropologists say

Ho hum. Kids, Isn't it time to not believe a lying word these dreamers say to begin with?

Wow - I saw nearly the EXACT same post on the CARM board!

I guess spamming trolls are the new CF export?

Oh, and the disingenuous disinformation was exposed over there, too.

 

[SLP]

So, you cannot talk about the failed missing link, or why the mechanisms of adaptation had to have been in the same state, or in any way defend a position. OK. You have no position, you made that clear. Nothing to brag about, I'd say. Carry on.

J Pers Soc Psychol. 1999 Dec;77(6):1121-34.
Unskilled and unaware of it: how difficulties in recognizing one's own incompetence lead to inflated self-assessments.

Kruger J, Dunning D.
Department of Psychology, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York 14853-7601, USA.

People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in many social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest that this overestimation occurs, in part, because people who are unskilled in these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it. Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd. Several analyses linked this miscalibration to deficits in metacognitive skill, or the capacity to distinguish accuracy from error. Paradoxically, improving the skills of participants, and thus increasing their metacognitive competence, helped them recognize the limitations of their abilities.


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Almost as if this study was tailor made...

 

[Spacewyrm]

I just noticed dad's new sig:
"God's little echo"

It's official, dad's a prophet!

 

[Orogeny]

I just noticed dad's new sig:
"God's little echo"

It's official, dad's a prophet!

LOL! That God. He crazy.

 

[Split Rock]

Unbiblical is unholy.

And you determine what is unbiblical...right, "God's little echo?"

Reread what I said. I am exempt from the burdens of a false science claim.

And you are in no position to determine what science claims are false.

Science needs to grow some ability to see, before it can be shown.

Look around you at the technology that science has provided you to use. Now, tell us what Dadology has provided mankind. Please do not ignore this question like all the others you are afraid to answer.

It can't see anything but physical.

Wow, you wrote something that is correct for once!! Buy yourself a cigar, dad!

The known spiritual affects lives, and had impacts that were observed, and felt.

Show us. You can't. Just more Special Pleading, yes?

God's word does tell us of creation week, and that is outside our laws. So is the flood. So is the future, and etc. Really.

God didn't write the Bible. You know it, I know it and every creationist deceiver who claims that knows it. In addition, you're interpretation of the Bible is both theologically and scientifically absurd.

If you want something science can test, pee in a vial. If you want something already tested, try the Calendar Man, and prophesies of the book of books.

When it comes to the physical world, your faulty interpretation of scripture that has led you done the rabbit hole of dadology has certainly failed all tests.

 

[Meshach]

Originally Posted by dad

The known spiritual affects lives, and had impacts that were observed, and felt.

Originally Posted by Split Rock


Show us. You can't. Just more Special Pleading, yes?


What would be the evolutionary mechanism for prophecy, or dreams and visions? What would cause these ? On a personal note I have been prophesied over and years later I am seeing these prophesies develope and come to pass JUST as they were spoken. I have seen and heard prophesies of others come to pass. There are many in the Bible that are developing as I type. Visions and prophecies are given to people and are usually a revelation of events that are to come in the future. Many have been proclaimed and have come to pass. Far too many to be considered coincidences. Many are distinct and obvious to what is being seen in the vision prior to it happening. There are so many examples and testimonies to these that one would have to be ignorant not to believe they are so. Here is one example of part of a vision a person had on June 20/1998. His name is Dr. Samual Doctorian.

When I heard all that, I begged the angel, "Can you not wait for a little while? Don't pour it. Give a chance for repentance." The angel said, "Many times God has spared and has spoken, but they have not listened. His patience has come to an end. Beware, the time has come. They have loved money and pleasure more than they have loved Me." As the angel began to pour from the bowl in his hand, I saw tremendous icebergs melting. When that happened I saw floods all over Canada and North America - all the rivers flood; destruction everywhere. I heard the world market collapsing with mighty earthquakes, and New York skyscrapers were tumbling - millions dying.
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This is only a small portion of this vision, much of it has not come to pass yet but the New York skyscrapers and world market collapsing have. Now there are MANY visions and prohecies being given and have and are coming to pass. No doubt what-so-ever, as I said, only the ignorant would not be aware of this.
So here you have a person seeing in a vision, future events, some has already come to pass and some about to. Christianas know this to be of the spiritual. So back to my original question.
What would be the evolutionary mechanism for developing within a person the ability to foresee coming events?

Sorry dad if I derailed your thread abit here.
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[Split Rock]

On a personal note I have been prophesied over and years later I am seeing these prophesies develope and come to pass JUST as they were spoken. I have seen and heard prophesies of others come to pass. There are many in the Bible that are developing as I type. Visions and prophecies are given to people and are usually a revelation of events that are to come in the future. Many have been proclaimed and have come to pass. Far too many to be considered coincidences. Many are distinct and obvious to what is being seen in the vision prior to it happening.

Personal testimony is highly unreliable. Especially when it comes to vague prophesies you claim came to pass. Of course, if I were you, I would simply claim you are a liar and making all this up, just like you claim scientists make up all the data they present in papers. I guess its a good thing I'm not you.

There are so many examples and testimonies to these that one would have to be ignorant not to believe they are so. Here is one example of part of a vision a person had on June 20/1998. His name is Dr. Samual Doctorian.

When I heard all that, I begged the angel, "Can you not wait for a little while? Don't pour it. Give a chance for repentance." The angel said, "Many times God has spared and has spoken, but they have not listened. His patience has come to an end. Beware, the time has come. They have loved money and pleasure more than they have loved Me." As the angel began to pour from the bowl in his hand, I saw tremendous icebergs melting. When that happened I saw floods all over Canada and North America - all the rivers flood; destruction everywhere. I heard the world market collapsing with mighty earthquakes, and New York skyscrapers were tumbling - millions dying.
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This is only a small portion of this vision, much of it has not come to pass yet but the New York skyscrapers and world market collapsing have. Now there are MANY visions and prohecies being given and have and are coming to pass. No doubt what-so-ever, as I said, only the ignorant would not be aware of this.
So here you have a person seeing in a vision, future events, some has already come to pass and some about to. Christianas know this to be of the spiritual. So back to my original question.​

Some have come to pass?? Try none. The Twin Towers were only two buildings and they were not brought down by earthquakes, they were brought down by religious fanatics who believed they understood God's Will. Sound familiar?

What would be the evolutionary mechanism for developing within a person the ability to foresee coming events?

If it were possible to forsee coming events, and if such a trait were inheritable, then it would be subject to natural selection just like any other such trait. That is a lot of "ifs", however.​

 

[troodon]

On a personal note I have been prophesied over and years later I am seeing these prophesies develope and come to pass JUST as they were spoken.

How about every time you have a prophecy you make a post about it here (or at least send me a PM about it). I'll keep a tally of how accurate you turn out to be.

 

[mpok1519]

There are even perfectly scientific explanations for visions and prophecy.

 

[YoungEarthAstronomer]

I would simply claim you are a liar and making all this up, just like you claim scientists make up all the data they present in papers. I guess its a good thing I'm not you.

I believe he said evolutionists make up data they present in their papers.
You are playing with words here, and swapping evolutionists with scientists. Not all scientists agree with evolution.

And since i've just exposed you as swapping words (evolutionist trickery) i believe that makes you the liar.

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

I believe he said evolutionists make up data they present in their papers.
You are playing with words here, and swapping evolutionists with scientists. Not all scientists agree with evolution.

And since i've just exposed you as swapping words (evolutionist trickery) i believe that makes you the liar.

Just the ones that actually know what it is.

Also since "evolutionists" is pretty much used as short for "every field of science that does not base itself on 3k old book" by the op i dont think he can be accused of swapping words so much as using a synonym in the eyes of the op.

 

[dad]

Wow - I saw nearly the EXACT same post on the CARM board!

I guess spamming trolls are the new CF export?

Oh, and the disingenuous disinformation was exposed over there, too.

Maybe it was posted by the exact same person? Sometimes you guys miss the forest for the trees, pathetic. Nothing was exposed over there any more than you expose anything here. We're all ears.

 

[dad]

I just noticed dad's new sig:
"God's little echo"

It's official, dad's a prophet!

Well, you see, He wrote a book. Since I use that a lot in my material, it does get echoed ..Get it..get it..get it???

 

[dad]

And you determine what is unbiblical...right, "God's little echo?"

No. But let's face it, do you see wven lame attempts at a bible case here? No. Mostly insults to the spiritual, and bible, and God. So, if any one cares to post something other than the devil's little echos here, I would relish the opportunity to meet their case head on. But, you see, I already been there, done that. Moving on..

And you are in no position to determine what science claims are false.

Yes I am, I can read. I can also look at the basis for the claims.

Look around you at the technology that science has provided you to use. Now, tell us what Dadology has provided mankind. Please do not ignore this question like all the others you are afraid to answer.

God had provided salvation for eternity, that beats aspirin. He will provide a new body, that beats milk of Magnesia, and oil of Olay. God has flying wheels, that pre date this universe. That beats the space shuttle. More questions??

God didn't write the Bible. You know it, I know it and every creationist deceiver who claims that knows it.

How would you know? Can you see inspiration oozing through a man's body thousands of years ago? Or are you just making an uninformed assumption?

In addition, you're interpretation of the Bible is both theologically and scientifically absurd.

Any true look at the future would have to be absurd to those using a temporary state view of all things. As for my bible positions, you are welcome to challenge them. What's a matter, cat got your tongue?

When it comes to the physical world, your faulty interpretation of scripture that has led you done the rabbit hole of dadology has certainly failed all tests.

My deduction that the future is the key to the past, rather than the present is rock solid, biblically. Put up, or pipe down.

 

[Split Rock]

I believe he said evolutionists make up data they present in their papers.
You are playing with words here, and swapping evolutionists with scientists. Not all scientists agree with evolution.

How very true...only 99.9% of scientists accept evolution. Perhaps you can explain the practical significance of differentiating "scientists who accept evolution" from "scientists" in general?

And since i've just exposed you as swapping words (evolutionist trickery) i believe that makes you the liar.

You just couldn't resist chirping in just to call me a liar and accuse me of "evolutionist trickery," huh? How christian of you. Since I have shown you are the one engaging in semantics and creationist trickery, I guess we know what that makes you... right?

 

[Split Rock]

No. But let's face it, do you see wven lame attempts at a bible case here? No. Mostly insults to the spiritual, and bible, and God. So, if any one cares to post something other than the devil's little echos here, I would relish the opportunity to meet their case head on. But, you see, I already been there, done that. Moving on..

No? Then why are you claiming the theory of evolution is "unholy" and "unbiblical" if you are not the judge?

Yes I am, I can read. I can also look at the basis for the claims.

But you are citing any scientific literature, just your fallible interpretation of scripture. That is what you base dadology on, not science, nor reason, nor reality.

God had provided salvation for eternity, that beats aspirin. He will provide a new body, that beats milk of Magnesia, and oil of Olay. God has flying wheels, that pre date this universe. That beats the space shuttle. More questions??

You make claims, but can prove none of them. In any case, none of it has anything to do with your faulty interpretation of scripture.. does it?

How would you know? Can you see inspiration oozing through a man's body thousands of years ago? Or are you just making an uninformed assumption?

Inspiration is one thing, claiming God wrote the Bible is quite another. Claiming your interpretation of scripture is God's Word, is Blasphemy.

Any true look at the future would have to be absurd to those using a temporary state view of all things. As for my bible positions, you are welcome to challenge them. What's a matter, cat got your tongue?

I've challenged your absurd interpretation of scripture many times before... are you losing your memory, dad? "The Split" had nothing to do with physical vs spiritual separation. It refers to the separation of the tribes of man, and that is obvious if you do not take scripture out of context, or are trying to create an an hoc explanation for why your interpretation does not fit with reality.

My deduction that the future is the key to the past, rather than the present is rock solid, biblically. Put up, or pipe down.

BULL. It is a fantasy, since no man (not even "God's little echo") can summon the future.

 

[Spacewyrm]

Well, you see, He wrote a book. Since I use that a lot in my material, it does get echoed ..Get it..get it..get it???

Who wrote a book? God? That's funny, I've never heard of it... Oh, you mean the Bible!? Huh... pretty sure it was written by humans.

By the way, even if God wrote the Bible, most of the stuff you "echo" seems largely extra-Biblical. Perhaps you shouldn't pretend that your fallible human deductions and ad hoc explainations are equivalent to echoing God's word? Just a thought.

 

[Meshach]

Personal testimony is highly unreliable. Especially when it comes to vague prophesies you claim came to pass. Of course, if I were you, I would simply claim you are a liar and making all this up, just like you claim scientists make up all the data they present in papers. I guess its a good thing I'm not you.


Some have come to pass?? Try none. The Twin Towers were only two buildings and they were not brought down by earthquakes, they were brought down by religious fanatics who believed they understood God's Will. Sound familiar?


If it were possible to forsee coming events, and if such a trait were inheritable, then it would be subject to natural selection just like any other such trait. That is a lot of "ifs", however.

Fail. Your obviously rather lacking when it comes to spiritual things, dont feel bad about that though for its understandable when you believe everything is ONLY natural. The vision did not say earthquakes brought the New York skyscrapers down. What he sees and hears in his vision are "I heard the world market collapsing with mighty earthquakes, and New York skyscrapers were tumbling -" So prior to this happening he seen in his vision the world market collapsing, which was fulfilled,with mighty earthquakes, being fullfilled, NewYork skyscrapers tumbling,which was fullfilled.
Now if you are up to date in the spiritual, the prophecies coming out right now are not pleasant. As far as earthquakes from what I have been hearing we have seen nothing yet. Wrap those valuable fossils, because there is going to be a whole lot of shaking going on. That which is not found in the Rock, Jesus Christ will tumble and crumble. More fossils will be made though for many BIG floods are prophesied as well. I am going by what I have been hearing. These are just the "beginning of sorrows" before the return of Christ. There is so much more, and no matter how much I was to post here you would just scoff and laugh and try and reason it all away. Similar to what the scoffers did in the days of Noah. Just went about their merry way ignoring all the warnings until it was too late.
Matthew 24:37-38

But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,


Prophecies and visions are real and are received and proclaimed and fullfilled no matter what you think about them. God Himself tells us this in His Word.


Amos 3:7
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets

Dont be caught sleeping, and I say this with both love and concern.

 

[laconicstudent]

Why are we talking about the Bible? It isn't an acceptable source for science. I thought we were talking about fossils.