Miracles in the Qur'an

[ApplePie7]

No problem

يخرج= coming
من= from
بين= between
الصلب = the loins or the backbone
والترائب = and the chest, or and the ribs

from what should i not be running then? this is my language.

Wrong.

Try again.

 

[alhamdullilah]

Wrong.

Try again.

You don't even know what it says, just stop this foolishness and just answer my questions.

You aks me a question and I give you an answer, the translation is not wrong, just proof to me that it's wrong.

don't forget, this is my language

 

[ApplePie7]

يخرج= coming

Observe, brother…

يخرج من بين الصلب والترائب


يخرج= “yakhruju”

“yakhruju” definition:

Imperfect tense, 3rd person masculine singular. He comes out. Appears, emerges, brings out.

It comes from the root “kharaja”, which means to go out, go forth, come forth, deport, attack, rebel against. He, or it, went, came, passed, or got, out or forth; issued, emanated, proceeded, went, or departed. A name of the day of resurrection. The quality of being of two colors, white and black. A poll tax.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume two, pp. 718 - 720
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, p. 150
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p. 41
Concordance of the Koran, Gustav Flugel, pp. 59 - 60

Occurrences of “yakhruju” & “wayakhruju” in the Koran: 20
Locations: 2.61, 4.100, 6.95, 7.58 (2x), 10.31 (2x), 16.69, 24.43, 27.25, 30.19 (2x), 30.48, 34.2, 39.21, 47.29, 47.37, 55.22, 57.4, 86.7

• Following on the heals of 86.6, which informs us that Jesus Christ (i.e. the Morning Star) was crucified until death upon the Cross, and that the inner man was created from this crucifixion event; 86.7 continues with the masculine, singular, imperfect tense “yakhruju”, meaning “He emerges”
• Surveying all twenty Koranic locations of “yakhruju” & “wayakhruju” demonstrates that this term is overwhelmingly used in reference to, and describes an action by, Koranic deity
• Most notable of its contextual usage is the fact that it references the entering into the earth (death & burial), and the subsequent emerging from it (masculine singular representing Jesus’ Resurrection), and then the ascending and descending in a cloud – identical to the Biblical Jesus Christ
• The repeated contextual usage of “yakhruju”, relating to ascension/descending in a cloud, further solidifies The Second Coming of Jesus theme of sura 86, as evidenced all the way through the sura
• These ayahs have also provided for us numerous attributes that apply to Jesus, such as:

• The First & the Last
• The Ever Merciful
• The Most Protecting One

• The root “kharaja” gives us greater insight by informing us that, “He departed” signifying that He was in the grave but no longer is
• Further, this root is also stated to be a name for the day of Resurrection
• “Yakhruju” is referring to Jesus’ singular Resurrection from the grave, and imputes deity to Him

An Arab who doesn’t even know Arabic….

 

[alhamdullilah]

Observe, brother…

An Arab who doesn’t even know Arabic….

very funny. you just gave it your christian touch like always. How am I to discuss my own language with someone that just turns it into something christian.

I say yellow, you say yes yellow is like the color of the star.. so this must be the morning star.. hmm wait a minute this yellow must be jesus!

I cant believe after all of this time you still haven't answered a single one of my challenges.

* Spelling errors (remember the book and the books)
* you didnt even notice the error how muhammad was spelled
* you made so many mistakes in your nonsense translations where the crucifixion is denied
* so many arab speaking people have refuted you and asked you questions, you never answer them
* ignored my challenge to debate in arabic, this must have been like 4 times now that you ignored them, i havent even counted those from others.

Just watch how again you will ignore my challenge. You must have memorized them by now how many times i have posted them. you will just ignore like always, and just come back with a real applepie answer, something in arabic but then, again, christian.

 

[ApplePie7]

You can’t even defend the very word under discussion, يخرج

The word too tough for you, brother?

Total ownership.

 

[AskTheFamily]

You can’t even defend the very word under discussion, يخرج

The word too tough for you, brother?

Total ownership.

It means to be drawn out, to draw out of something.

It has two meanings in Quran and two directions.

The adornment of the world is brought out, and it's manifesting God's blessed Name but in parable form like way and temporal perishing way, so whom attaches to form and perishing world, instead of the pointed to, perishes.

And it also refers to being drawn out from the outward to the Inward.

And it applies to both God whom will manifest his light and come out in this sense with his command.

And it also what the name "Musa" means in hebrew.

So "Musa" is drawn out of a "River".

And that "River" also a parable like.

The word is used many places in Quran to show

God is the Outward and all praise is his.
And Mohammad is the that Outward and is that whole of the praise in creation, that is God's.

And that is why he is "Ahmad", because he is the most praised.

In fact, all the praise we can think of God, applies to him, except with the knowledge that God is Ultimate in it, but we never see more glory and praise then Mohammad. If God appears in veils of Lordship, the same light and glory is in Mohammad in the appearance of a Servant of the Ultimate High One.

Musa name being "drawn out" shows those whom are brought ways to God for the sake of people.

"You are the best Ummatan brought out for the sake of humans".

Ummatan here means way, as Ibrahim was an Ummatan "Verily Ibrahim was an Ummatan". This means a way and course to God.

And God said "And from the people of Musa were a Ummatan whom guided by the truth. And we split them into twelve, Grandsons (with one root), ways... "

And said "And we made from them Leaders whom Guide by our Command" and said regarding the boat of salvation with the physical boat of Nuh being a sign of it "By the Name of God, it's sailing and steering..." and said "And verily we took the covenant of the Isrealites, and we raised from them Twelve Captains...." And said else where "Verily I am making you a Leader for people. He said: "And from my offspring?" He said "My covenant does not include those whom do injustice".

So the brought out ones, are those whom are given authority, and the brought out ones are those whom all praise we see outwardly unites in their blessed souls, and they are the Image of Praise and Glory, and hence the face of God.

And yes this is the light that will manifest and shine on the day of judgement, and Jesus, may my life be sacrificed for him, is one of those blessed instances of God's blessed beautiful holy names.

And ofcourse, he and all elects ones, at the end, are nothing more then Servants of God that he has favored himself with, and this favor is their highness and glory and majesty, and the praise glory and beauty, all it is God's, since God is the Ultimate Life, there is nothing with him, and he is one, single, not three, not five, not a hundred, not 10, he is One, Ultimately High with no divisions, as that divisions would imply he is imperfect, and whom deems him imperfect is a disbeliever of the all-Glorious, the All-Life, the Light of all light.

Peace be upon whom believes in God as King, One, and follows his appointed Kings and Guides, and doesn't associate with his authority anyone or with his glory anyone or with his life anyone or with his Lordship anyone, as God doesn't forgive associating with him.

 

[ApplePie7]

It means to be drawn out, to draw out of something.

It has two meanings in Quran and two directions.

The adornment of the world is brought out, and it's manifesting God's blessed Name but in parable form like way and temporal perishing way, so whom attaches to form and perishing world, instead of the pointed to, perishes.

And it also refers to being drawn out from the outward to the Inward.

And it applies to both God whom will manifest his light and come out in this sense with his command.

And it also what the name "Musa" means in hebrew.

So "Musa" is drawn out of a "River".

And that "River" also a parable like.

The word is used many places in Quran to show

God is the Outward and all praise is his.
And Mohammad is the that Outward and is that whole of the praise in creation, that is God's.

And that is why he is "Ahmad", because he is the most praised.

In fact, all the praise we can think of God, applies to him, except with the knowledge that God is Ultimate in it, but we never see more glory and praise then Mohammad. If God appears in veils of Lordship, the same light and glory is in Mohammad in the appearance of a Servant of the Ultimate High One.

Musa name being "drawn out" shows those whom are brought ways to God for the sake of people.

"You are the best Ummatan brought out for the sake of humans".

Ummatan here means way, as Ibrahim was an Ummatan "Verily Ibrahim was an Ummatan". This means a way and course to God.

And God said "And from the people of Musa were a Ummatan whom guided by the truth. And we split them into twelve, Grandsons (with one root), ways... "

And said "And we made from them Leaders whom Guide by our Command" and said regarding the boat of salvation with the physical boat of Nuh being a sign of it "By the Name of God, it's sailing and steering..." and said "And verily we took the covenant of the Isrealites, and we raised from them Twelve Captains...." And said else where "Verily I am making you a Leader for people. He said: "And from my offspring?" He said "My covenant does not include those whom do injustice".

So the brought out ones, are those whom are given authority, and the brought out ones are those whom all praise we see outwardly unites in their blessed souls, and they are the Image of Praise and Glory, and hence the face of God.

And yes this is the light that will manifest and shine on the day of judgement, and Jesus, may my life be sacrificed for him, is one of those blessed instances of God's blessed beautiful holy names.

And ofcourse, he and all elects ones, at the end, are nothing more then Servants of God that he has favored himself with, and this favor is their highness and glory and majesty, and the praise glory and beauty, all it is God's, since God is the Ultimate Life, there is nothing with him, and he is one, single, not three, not five, not a hundred, not 10, he is One, Ultimately High with no divisions, as that divisions would imply he is imperfect, and whom deems him imperfect is a disbeliever of the all-Glorious, the All-Life, the Light of all light.

Peace be upon whom believes in God as King, One, and follows his appointed Kings and Guides, and doesn't associate with his authority anyone or with his glory anyone or with his life anyone or with his Lordship anyone, as God doesn't forgive associating with him.

Thanks for your reply, brother.


Observe the following two usages…

34.2



يعلم ما يلج في الأرض وما يخرج منها وما ينزل من السماء وما يعرج فيها وهو الرحيم الغفور


YaAAlamu ma yaliju fee al-ardi wama yakhruju minha wama yanzilu mina alssama-i wama yaAAruju feeha wahuwa alrraheemu alghafooru

34.2 He knows what will enter in the earth, and that He emerges from it, and which descends from the cloud, and which ascends in it, and He, the Ever Merciful, the Most Protecting One.




57.4

هو الأول والاءخر والظهر والباطن وهو بكل شيء عليم هو الذي خلق السموت والأرضفي ستة أيام ثم استوى على العرش يعلم ما يلج في الأرضوما يخرج منه وما ينزل من ا السماء وما يعرج فيهاوهو معكم أين ما كنتم والله بما تعملون ​

بصير

Huwa al-awwalu waal-akhiru waalththahiru waalbatinu wahuwa bikulli shay-in AAaleemun huwa allathee khalaqa alssamawati waal-arda fee sittati ayyamin thumma istawa AAala alAAarshi yaAAlamu ma yaliju fee al-ardi wama yakhruju minha wama yanzilu mina alssama-i wama yaAAruju feeha wahuwa maAAakum ayna ma kuntum waAllahu bima taAAmaloona baseerun


He, the first and the last, and the visible, and the hidden, and He, on account of every thing, knowledgeable. He, whom He created the heavens and the earth in six days, then He established on the throne, He knows what will enter in the earth, and that He emerges from it, and which descends from the cloud, and which ascends in it, and He is with you wherever you were, and “allah” on account of what you do, beholder. (57.3 – 4)


Interestingly, these ayahs demonstrate the entering into the earth (death & burial), and the subsequent emerging from it (masculine singular representing Jesus’ Resurrection), and then the ascending and descending in a cloud. This can only be referring to Jesus Christ.

As can be seen, these ayahs borrow heavily from Old Testament material as well as New Testament material.

These ayahs have also provided for us numerous attributes that apply to Jesus:

• The First & the Last
• The Ever Merciful
• The Most Protecting One
• Entering the earth
• Emerging from the earth
• Ascension in a Cloud
• Descending in a Cloud

 

[AskTheFamily]

Thanks for your reply, brother.

Since Moses names "the brought out", what do you make of that.

Moses = Jesus?

Answer. Thanks.

 

[ApplePie7]

Since Moses names "the brought out", what do you make of that.

Moses = Jesus?

Answer. Thanks.

To what ayah do you refer...?

 

[AskTheFamily]

To what ayah do you refer...?

I am talking about the meaning of the name Moses. It means "Drawn out". This is what Pharaoh's wife named when she drew him out of the water.

Since your equating everything about being drawn out from the Unseen, to be Jesus, I am asking if this means Moses = Jesus.

Very simple question.

 

[ApplePie7]

I am talking about the meaning of the name Moses. It means "Drawn out". This is what Pharaoh's wife named when she drew him out of the water.

Since your equating everything about being drawn out from the Unseen, to be Jesus, I am asking if this means Moses = Jesus.

Very simple question.

Hi brother…

You need to properly define the terms under discussion, first.

This is the Arabic term under discussion in sura 86:


يخرج= “yakhruju”

“yakhruju” definition:

Imperfect tense, 3rd person masculine singular. He comes out. Appears, emerges, brings out.

It comes from the root “kharaja”, which means to go out, go forth, come forth, deport, attack, rebel against. He, or it, went, came, passed, or got, out or forth; issued, emanated, proceeded, went, or departed. A name of the day of resurrection. The quality of being of two colors, white and black. A poll tax.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume two, pp. 718 - 720
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, p. 150
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p. 41
Concordance of the Koran, Gustav Flugel, pp. 59 - 60





Compare to the definition of Moses:



H4872
משׁה
môsheh
BDB Definition:
Moses = “drawn”
1) the prophet and lawgiver, leader of the exodus
drawing out (of the water), that is, rescued; Mosheh, the Israelitish lawgiver: - Moses.
Part of Speech: noun proper masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H4871
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1254



H4871
משׁה
mâshâh
BDB Definition:
1) to draw
1a) (Qal) to draw
1b) (Hiphil) to draw
A primitive root; to pull out (literally or figuratively): - draw (out).
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1253



As you can verify, the Koranic “yakhruju” refers to the action put forth by a singular Male.

This Male performed the action.

The action was not performed on the Male.


Likewise, you can also verify the Hebrew definition for Moses as being on the receiving end of the action, as defined by the root derivative “mashah”, being pulled or drawn out, or rescued.

So…

No brother, the two terms are not alike.

Sura 86 has a singular Male performing the action.

The Holy Bible has the male receiving the action.

 

[AskTheFamily]

H4871
משׁה
mâshâh
BDB Definition:
1) to draw
1a) (Qal) to draw
1b) (Hiphil) to draw
A primitive root; to pull out (literally or figuratively): - draw (out).
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1253

Yeah Ok, he is Drawn out.

We don't believe Propehts names are random, obviously God knew she would draw him out of the water, and this was his name that destined, and he inspired her to name him out of this "Drawn out".

It's the a synoym with "brought out". It's the same thing.

So now that Moses means drawn out, and his name is beyond the simple sense he was named by the wife of the Pharaoh, I am asking you if this implies Moses is Jesus.

Being Drawn out implies being brought out. It's in the definition.

You draw a marble out of a box, this means you brought a marble out of the box. Common sense.

Now how about answering the question?

 

[ApplePie7]

Yeah Ok, he is Drawn out.

We don't believe Propehts names are random, obviously God knew she would draw him out of the water, and this was his name that destined, and he inspired her to name him out of this "Drawn out".

It's the a synoym with "brought out". It's the same thing.

So now that Moses means drawn out, and his name is beyond the simple sense he was named by the wife of the Pharaoh, I am asking you if this implies Moses is Jesus.

Being Drawn out implies being brought out. It's in the definition.

You draw a marble out of a box, this means you brought a marble out of the box. Common sense.

Now how about answering the question?

It’s quite clear that Jesus is not Moses, brother.

What part are you having difficulty with…?

 

[AskTheFamily]

It’s quite clear that Jesus is not Moses, brother.

What part are you having difficulty with…?

I'm not having difficultly, I'm just showing your double standard.

It's clear those verses you quote are not about Jesus just as it's clear Moses is not Jesus.

It's prosperous to same because Moses is brought out, and Jesus is brought out light of God, then they both the same person, right?

So it's the same with those verses you quote. And you really should stop with your games.

However I am willing to bet that you just to do this for kicks. It's like a fun thing you like to do.

And "brother" is just a mocking tone. I wouldn't be suprised if you don't believe in any religion but just come here to make a joke of Quran and have fun with annoying people.

You should fear earning God's wrath, whatever kick you get out of it, only increases your uncleanness, and what doubts God's light and his Signs and his books and his Messengers, is nothing but uncleanness....

The more you go on this behaviour, the closer and closer you get to sealing your fate to hell with no possibility of return.

Wish you the best.

 

[ApplePie7]

I'm not having difficultly, I'm just showing your double standard.

It's clear those verses you quote are not about Jesus just as it's clear Moses is not Jesus.

It's prosperous to same because Moses is brought out, and Jesus is brought out light of God, then they both the same person, right?

So it's the same with those verses you quote. And you really should stop with your games.

However I am willing to bet that you just to do this for kicks. It's like a fun thing you like to do.

And "brother" is just a mocking tone. I wouldn't be suprised if you don't believe in any religion but just come here to make a joke of Quran and have fun with annoying people.

You should fear earning God's wrath, whatever kick you get out of it, only increases your uncleanness, and what doubts God's light and his Signs and his books and his Messengers, is nothing but uncleanness....

The more you go on this behaviour, the closer and closer you get to sealing your fate to hell with no possibility of return.

Wish you the best.

No one wants to watch yet another follower of islam rage, brother.

Either you can defend your scriptures...or...you can't...

Seems you can't...

 

[AskTheFamily]

No one wants to watch yet another follower of islam rage, brother.

Either you can defend your scriptures...or...you can't...

Seems you can't...

If you were well versed in Quran, perhaps you can tell me whom the family of Yaseen is according to Quran.

Since obviously you have knowledge none of us have, you should be able to tell me the meaning of YaSeen and Taha and AlifLamMeem and you should tell whom the family of Yaseen according to Quran.

And tell me the meaning of HaMeem.

Tell me how you know and why you know.

I'll play with you, it's fine. You have a kick, I will too have fun.

Let's see your super knowledge of Quran.

And can you tell me why God swears by the Mount Sinai. Since you know everything he means, you should tell me.

And you should tell me exactly what was the mountain taken over the Isrealites in a covenant. Explain this too.

And was the Door of prostration to enter and whom ever entered it was forgiven?

 

[ApplePie7]

If you were well versed in Quran, perhaps you can tell me whom the family of Yaseen is according to Quran.

Since obviously you have knowledge none of us have, you should be able to tell me the meaning of YaSeen and Taha and AlifLamMeem and you should tell whom the family of Yaseen according to Quran.

And tell me the meaning of HaMeem.

Tell me how you know and why you know.

I'll play with you, it's fine. You have a kick, I will too have fun.

Let's see your super knowledge of Quran.

This would be from the Biblical material which the authors of the Koran copied...

And can you tell me why God swears by the Mount Sinai. Since you know everything he means, you should tell me.

And you should tell me exactly what was the mountain taken over the Isrealites in a covenant. Explain this too.

And was the Door of prostration to enter and whom ever entered it was forgiven?

Every time the authors of the Koran swear by something, it is Biblical material...

 

[AskTheFamily]

This would be from the Biblical material which the authors of the Koran copied...







Every time the authors of the Koran swear by something, it is Biblical material...

So tell me the meaning of the letters according to the bible.

 

[ApplePie7]

So tell me the meaning of the letters according to the bible.

These letters always occur when talking about Biblical material.

Most frequently when the authors of the Koran have copied Book of Revelation material.

 

[AskTheFamily]

These letters always occur when talking about Biblical material.

Most frequently when the authors of the Koran have copied Book of Revelation material.

And how do you know this?