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Miracles in the Qur'an

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If we look at any other book on the planet, none is read more than the Quran.
The most popular book of all time is the Bible.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_most_popular_book_of_all_time_in_the_world
http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/toptens/books/books4.html

"No one really knows how many copies of the Bible have been printed, sold, or distributed. The Bible Society’s attempt to calculate the number printed between 1816 and 1975 produced the figure of 2,458,000,000. A more recent survey, for the years up to 1992, put it closer to 6,000,000,000 in more than 2,000 languages and dialects. Whatever the precise figure, the Bible is by far the bestselling book of all time."
http://www.ipl.org/div/farq/bestsellerFARQ.html
 
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one of the miracles of the Quran is the word itself. Quran generally is translated as "the recital". In arabic, words that have similar structures or patterns tend to have similar definitions. The word "Rahman" means "most merciful", "Rahman" and "Quran" are similar in structure in that they have the same rhyme at the end, among other things. Thus the actual definition of Quran is "most recited".

If we look at any other book on the planet, none is read more than the Quran. The Quran is read in every prayer, five times a day. That is just for prayer. On top of that, there are schools where people memorize the Quran for many hours a day. There are many other times when the Quran is recited. Thus the one of the miracles of the Quran is the name itself.

Adeeb... you don't seem to understand do you? So what? These things that you are stating are not evidence for anything.

There are no Qurans in Hotels... are there? Bibles are the only holy books in Hotels... is this evidence that Jesus is God? No, it is not. Bible was the first book to ever be 'printed'... is this evidence that Jesus is God? No, it is not!

Please, try to get out of this illogical way of reasoning. Reality does not side with what is most popular.

Secundulus said:
The most popular book of all time is the Bible.

Same =\
 
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Adeeb... you don't seem to understand do you? So what? These things that you are stating are not evidence for anything.

There are no Qurans in Hotels... are there? Bibles are the only holy books in Hotels... is this evidence that Jesus is God? No, it is not. Bible was the first book to ever be 'printed'... is this evidence that Jesus is God? No, it is not!

Please, try to get out of this illogical way of reasoning. Reality does not side with what is most popular.



Same =\

no, you don't understand. I am not saying that just because the Quran is the most recited book means it is evidence. I am saying that the fact that the word Quran was able to live up to its meaning is remarkable. It would seem extremely arrogant to name your book "the most recited" unless you knew that it would indeed be the most recited book.
 
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The most popular book of all time is the Bible.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_most_popular_book_of_all_time_in_the_world
http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/toptens/books/books4.html

"No one really knows how many copies of the Bible have been printed, sold, or distributed. The Bible Society’s attempt to calculate the number printed between 1816 and 1975 produced the figure of 2,458,000,000. A more recent survey, for the years up to 1992, put it closer to 6,000,000,000 in more than 2,000 languages and dialects. Whatever the precise figure, the Bible is by far the bestselling book of all time."
http://www.ipl.org/div/farq/bestsellerFARQ.html

I am not talking about most popular, that is a different story. I am talking about the most read book, which is the Quran. Most of those Bibles are probably sitting on shelves piling up dust. Worship and prayer is not once a week on Sundays for us, it is everyday five times a day. We recite the first chapter at least 17 times daily. Furthermore you do not even need a physical book to recite the Quran, you can do it from memory. So the amount of books sold or distributed is not that big of a deal.
 
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no, you don't understand. I am not saying that just because the Quran is the most recited book means it is evidence. I am saying that the fact that the word Quran was able to live up to its meaning is remarkable. It would seem extremely arrogant to name your book "the most recited" unless you knew that it would indeed be the most recited book.

You wouldn't happen to know what a meme is do you?
 
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Muslims believe in their hearts that they have to obey the Quran, correct? The Quran orders to recite... what do you think it is going to happen? I don't think we need math to figure out this one.

If the bible ordered to recite, the bible would have had a head start than the Quran. You are just picking what your side has, does, than the other side doesn't... and that is not evidence that your side is true! We are back to what I was saying, which you did not understand.

It's as if a Jehova Witness said, that they are the true religion, because Jesus ordered the correct religion to go door to door and to preach the word of God, and they are the only religion that does it. I guess this is evidence that Jehova's Witnesses are the true correct religion...

See the silliness?
 
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no, you don't understand.
Translation: I am college educated, how could this be?

I am talking about the most read book, which is the Quran. Most of those Bibles are probably sitting on shelves piling up dust. Worship and prayer is not once a week on Sundays for us, it is everyday five times a day.
Have you met a Catholic or Orthodox in your life? Probably is not a good word Adeeb, come up with something concrete.
 
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If the bible ordered to recite, the bible would have had a head start than the Quran. You are just picking what your side has, does, than the other side doesn't... and that is not evidence that your side is true!
so give us what your side have than our side?
 
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so give us what your side have than our side?
He is an atheist so I doubt it matters much to him. ;)
I just wanna know what the Muslims have against my Bro "Saul/Paul" :groupray:

http://www.scripture4all.org/

1 Thessalonians 3:13 Into the stand-fast of ye, the hearts/kardiaV blameless in together-holiness before the God and Father of us in the Parousia <3952> of the Lord of us, Jesus Christ, with all of the holy-ones of Him [Zech 14:5/Revelation 19:11.]
Zech 14:5 And you flee ravine of mountains, that he shall touch ravine of mountains to 'Atsel. And you flee as which you fled from before the earthquake in days of `Uzziyah king of Y@huwdah and He comes, YHWH my Elohiym, all of holy-ones with You.
 
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so give us what your side have than our side?
are you serious? :sigh:

I don't think that what I was trying to say was that hard to grasp.

If you want other sides, read the Jehova's Witness example.

But that is besides the point, this doesn't prove anything. These are all illogical arguments.
 
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I do not agree that the Qu'ran has miracles. Once we get into the debate spectrum, we see a lot of 'ad hoc': these "miracles" were not mentioned by the early Muslims, because they had other views and interpretations of what it meant.

Take for example the Pharaoh's body. The Qu'ran says "And we will preserve it as a sign for mankind".. So people now days are saying it is a miracle. But, go to Tafsir Ibn Kathir, and he narrates a Hadith from Ibn Abbas where Abbas says that it was preserved by floating back up the water, and the people at that time saw it as a sign, but that it was not speaking about anything in the future, or anything miraculous.

The only thing I find even somewhat amazing about the Qu'ran, is that in the Qu'ran, it has the word day 365 times, month 12 times, and days 30. But the funny thing is, is very few Muslims say this is a miracle. And, there seems to be problems with these conclusions to.
But still, if it is true, then that is downright amazing!

Another thing really amazing to Muslims is its beauty. That is the only thing that Muslims for 1400 years have agreed is miraculous. I do not find it miraculous, but some do.

But what I DO find amazing, is that the Qu'ran at least gives a challenge. Other religions just say to blindly follow.. Islam at least has a challenge! Of course, I still do not find that miraculous, as anyone could make a challenge. I just appreciate the fact that it has a challenge and does not call for blind faith :)
 
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If you want other sides, read the Jehova's Witness example.

Mormons would seem to be a better comparison. Joseph Smith and Muhammad were much alike, with the exception of times, community and language. They both received a "divine" message from God and noone ever seen them doing so. And so on....
 
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français;46101286 said:
Take for example the Pharaoh's body. The Qu'ran says "And we will preserve it as a sign for mankind".. So people now days are saying it is a miracle. But, go to Tafsir Ibn Kathir, and he narrates a Hadith from Ibn Abbas where Abbas says that it was preserved by floating back up the water, and the people at that time saw it as a sign, but that it was not speaking about anything in the future, or anything miraculous.
thank you francies for your important view , actually this point is another view about the miracles of quran also .
the quran book isn't revealed for early muslims only , quran is revealed for all people untill the last hour , so it's suitable for people in early time and our time and it will be suitble also for people in future time , and you will not find contradictions between any interpretation.
the miracles of quran arn't limited , in the future we will discover more miracles which muslims now don't know about it , the miracle of quran is continous miracle .
for example our beloved prophet himself didn't interpret the science facts mentioned in the quran , is it mean that these facts existed by chance because mohammed (pbuh) didn't interpret it from sight of science ? !!!
But what I DO find amazing, is that the Qu'ran at least gives a challenge. Other religions just say to blindly follow.. Islam at least has a challenge! Of course, I still do not find that miraculous, as anyone could make a challenge. I just appreciate the fact that it has a challenge and does not call for blind faith :)

the challenge is that if you can proof that it isn't god's word
in the second verse with second chapter from quran , allah said
This is the book; In it is guidance sure, without doubt To those Who Fear God

can you imagine any human can auther a book , and say about it in it's first pages ' with no doubts this book have a guidence for he fear God (who seek the truth)

in quran from 1400 years , there is verse says
We(God) have, without doubt, sent down the message(quran); and we will assuredly guard it (from corruption)

so how did mohammed(pbuh) from 1400 years who lived in desert , was illetrate and no printers no papers as we have nowadays , how did he knew that quran will reserved without corruptance forever
 
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français;46101286 said:
The only thing I find even somewhat amazing about the Qu'ran, is that in the Qu'ran, it has the word day 365 times, month 12 times, and days 30. But the funny thing is, is very few Muslims say this is a miracle.
there are very much numerous miracles in quran other than this one
 
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there are very much numerous miracles in quran other than this one
JESUS did quite a few miracles Himself for the OC Jews in the Christ-ian Bible. :thumbsup:

http://christianforums.com/t7164949-do-not-weep-the-great-city.html

Luke 19:41 And as He nears, beholding the City and He laments/eklausen <2799> (5656) on Her, 42 saying, "That if thou-knew, and thou, even indeed in the day, this, the toward Peace of thee, now yet it was Hid from thy eyes. 43 That shall be arriving days upon thee, and thy enemies shall be casting up a rampart/caraka <5482> to thee, and shall be encompassing thee, and pressing thee every which place.
Reve 5:4 And I lamented/eklaion <2799> (5707) much that no-one worthy was found to open-up the scrollet neither to be beholding it. 5 And one out of the elders is saying to me: "No be lamenting!/klaie <2799> (5720) Behold! Conquers, the Lion, the out of the tribe of Judah, the root of David to open-up the scrollet and [to loose] the seven seals of it.

Reve 18:9 and shall be lamenting/klausontai <2799> (5695) and shall be bewailing/beating-breasts over Her the kings of the Land the ones with her fornicating and indulging whenever they may be observing the smoke of the refining fire of her.
 
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why three ? there are alot of miracles .what specific types of miracles you want ?
there are miracles in quran related to all types of science as medical , physics , anatomy , universe , genetics , earth , bilology , astronomy , marine life ,zoology, mathematics , dates on history , numerous

Well, if you want to do more then three, that's fine. I didn't want twenty million Islamic miracles to look through, just some of the more important and better established ones.
I would be curious to hear about the miracles having to do with marine life, dates in history and astronomy.

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honostly we believe that quran from God , and we believe that quran most trustfull than theories.
theories are differs from facts
theories are assumptions and it changes through a time .

quran inform us from 1500 year about universe expanding ,first theories didn't suppose that ,

quran predict to action of earth (rotation).
quran also mentioned about sphericity of the earth .

seven layers of the earth mentioned in quran also

What kind of theory are you talking about? There's non-scientific theories which are essentially assumptions/conjecture. But then you have scientific theories which are based in fact. Theory: An explanation for some phenomenon that is based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning. [Dictionary]

I think the bible beats you on that...on the expanding Universe (Heavens)-Although I don't know how accurate either verse is.

Where do you get the idea that the Earth has 7 layers?

What does it say about the earth's rotation?

How is the concept of a spherical earth a miracle if it was already theorized at the time?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth
"The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to around the 6th century BC in ancient Greek philosophy and Indian philosophy. In Greece, the concept was espoused by Pythagoras, apparently on aesthetic grounds,[1] as he also held all other celestial bodies to be spherical. In India, the concept of a spherical Earth was recognized in the Shatapatha Brahmana and Aitareya Brahmana.[2][3]"
 
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quran is the only book reserved for more than 1400 years without altering even one character from it

the quran is the only book which memorized by millions of muslims (arabs and nonarabs) from every age from cover to cover (more than 500 pages)

the quran is the only book which nobody can alter one character from it .

Every word of the Quranic text is meticulously chosen, chiselled and placed by the All-Wise himself. They carry God's 'fingerprint', and are signs of God. And yet, the spirtually jaundiced....

The author of the Qur`an is reasoning with us, that had Muhammad(pbuh) been a learned man, and had he been able to read or write, then in that case the babblers in the market places might have had some justification to doubt his claim that the holy qur`an is God's word. In the event of Muhammed(pbuh) being a literate person, the accusation of his enemies that he had probably copied his book (Qur`an) from the writings of the jews and christians, or that perhaps he had been studying aristotle and plato, or that he must have browsed through the 'Torat,' the 'Zabur' and the 'Injeel' and had rehashed it all in a beautiful language, might have carried some weight. Then, 'the talkers of vanities' might have had a poiint. But even this flimsy pretence has been denied to the unbeliever and the cynic: a point hardly big enough to hang a fly upon!

Why didn't Allah just protect the Jewish scriptures from corruption rather then waiting till the 7th century to do so-so there wouldn't be all this confusion on which monotheistic religion is the correct one?
 
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on the expanding Universe (Heavens)-Although I don't know how accurate either verse is.
51:47
We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof).

Where do you get the idea that the Earth has 7 layers?
within internal structure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth#Surface

What does it say about the earth's rotation?
You will see the mountains and reckon them to be solid; but they go past like clouds-the handiwork of Allah Who gives to everything its solidity. He is aware of what you do. (Qur'an, 27:88)
The above verse emphasises that the Earth not only rotates but that it also has a direction of rotation. The direction of movement of the main cloud masses at 3,500-4,000 metres high is always from West to East. That is why it is generally the state of the weather in the West which is looked at in meteorological forecasts.

The main reason why cloud masses are pulled from West to East is the direction in which the Earth rotates. As we now know, our Earth spins from West to East. This scientific fact, only recently established by science, was revealed 1,400 years ago in the Qur&#8217;an, at a time when the Earth was believed to be flat, and to be resting on the back of an ox.

How is the concept of a spherical earth a miracle if it was already theorized at the time?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth
"The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to around the 6th century BC in ancient Greek philosophy and Indian philosophy. In Greece, the concept was espoused by Pythagoras, apparently on aesthetic grounds,[1] as he also held all other celestial bodies to be spherical. In India, the concept of a spherical Earth was recognized in the Shatapatha Brahmana and Aitareya Brahmana.[2][3]"

but the bible said it's flat as i remember .
whatever , let us firstly see what quran said about the shape of earth

[079:030] He made the earth egg-shaped
[079:031] From it, He produced its own water and pasture.
[079:032] He established the mountains.
[079:033] All this to provide life support for you and your animals.

Linguistic evidence to the "dahu" (egg-shapping) of the Earth
The "dahu" in the Arabic Language means to extend and even out. It is said: "daha" the thing; "yad'hu dahwan". These terms can mean he either evened out and extended it or he threw it and rolled it. It is also said: "the rain daha the stones from the face of the earth," which means it rolled it and washed it away. It is also said: "The horse passed by yad'hu dahwan," which means he is beating his foot on the ground and yad'hu its sand. Also, the ostrich's mad'hi means its laying of its eggs, and "ad'hiha" is the nest where its chicks are born.
End of translation.
So as we clearly see, all of the above Arabic words that are derived from "daha" mean:
1- To extend.
2- To roll.
3- To even out.
4- Causing to become egg-shaped or creating, making or producing eggs

All of these meanings perfectly apply to our planet Earth and the stages that it went through!
 
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