Miracles & Healings

[jayem]

This is our Job. There are many of us and there was only one of Him. Most nurses have the gift of healing or they would not be in that profession.

I worked in health care for 40+ years. I know nurses, therapists, PA's, and other medical personnel do great work. But your OP specifically mentioned miraculous healing. Which is what I'd like to see. Example: a patient sustains a serious crush injury to his lower leg in an auto accident. He has not only a compound fracture, but also an arterial injury preventing blood flow to the leg. By the time he gets to the hospital, there's no choice but to amputate the limb. Yet--by praying to Jesus (and a good high-protein diet)-- bone, muscle, nerve and vascular supply, and skin begin growing from the stump. And within several months, he's regrown his lost leg. That kind of healing would definitely be a miracle.

 

[Ace777]

Which is what I'd like to see.

Then you need to buy a kirlian camera. That is able to photograph to see the healing energy.

By the time he gets to the hospital, there's no choice but to amputate the limb.

This is were you REALLY need to pray to pick up the pieces and clean up the mess that the medical personal make. From what we call complications.

Doctors help who doctors are able to help. The church helps who they are able to help and they do NOT get in each others way at all. Everyone does their part. God does work though people.

That kind of healing would definitely be a miracle.

Jesus did have a reconstructive miracle from a withered limb. We do believe in reconstructive miracles. Esp when you have a situation where there is a chance to save a limb without having to amputate. There was also the case of where Jesus was able to heal the ear that was cut off.

Doctors call miracles spontaneous remission. They know that 3% are going to improve and get better. My chance of survival at one time was less than 1%. Yet here i am still alive. Actually when the fire department had to use a defibrillator to get my heart going I was told they can only do that 1 in 1200. 20 years later here I am still alive. Even though only one in 1200 survive. Of course that is only 10 minutes of not getting any blood to the brain. You know that at 20 minutes then it basically becomes impossible.

 

[Neogaia777]

Luke 16:31 (NKJV): 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”

The real truth is, is that we already had not just Jesus, but many followers of his, doing all kinds of miracles and healings (and signs and wonders and deliverances) back then. And what was it's effect then, etc? Because the real truth is, is that none of the miracles and healings (and deliverances and signs and wonders) never really did anything back then, etc. Not in a way that would stand the test of time anyway. And also, the miracles and healings (and signs and wonders) were not really the point even, even way back then really, etc.

He did not say that the effect that the miracles and healings (and signs and wonders) had on people would not pass away (because he knew they would) but that it would only be his teaching that would have an everlasting effect permanently, etc. So focusing too much on them, causes you to be missing the point entirely, etc. What was most important was his teaching, etc. And regardless of whether anyone would heed it or not, it would still always and eternally be always right forever, and would/will outlast everything, etc. Even this whole entire creations being completely done away with, and/or passing away, or completely ending, etc. But the effect of the signs, or that the signs have, always passes away. And it usually only takes a couple of generations at that, before the effect of them passes away, etc. Which is nothing compared to a teaching that will stand/last for all eternity, etc.

And all those people that were healed or whatever in this way, could not only very easily be undone again, but death itself still catches up with everyone eventually, so it was really not at all about any of the signs or wonders really, but they were all pretty much unimportant, and might have even been done flippantly, but were most definitely secondary, and maybe even very much more less than secondary, etc.

People always like to say they'd believe if they saw anything like that easily, but that is not even anywhere close to the real truth really, etc, and God and Jesus knew/already knows this already. I know you may not believe in a book like Judges, because too many generations have now passed for that really, but how many times did God in the OT keep on supernaturally delivering them over and over and over again continually? They would start out delivered/fully believing in and following God, and walking in His ways, but then after just one or two generations, would get themselves back into trouble again (disobedience/sin) and have to see signs and wonders and/or be supernaturally delivered again, and then over and over and over again continually, etc.

So you see, signs and wonders are never a permanent solution, but the only thing that ever stood a chance like that, would only be some very, very revolutionary moral and behavioral teaching, etc.

I think God in the OT/Holy Spirit in the NT, is only where this kind of power can ever come from completely, and maybe after what he tried to do in the OT, and then later on with Jesus, maybe after Jesus, it really all was 100% genuinely and truly "finished" completely, and after that, God that was in the OT, and is the Holy Spirit in the NT, no longer saw a very good reason to maybe do or perform them anymore after that maybe, etc. What Jesus did, completely defeated the Holy Spirit's enemy the Devil (Satan), and conquered sin and death once and for all and forever, but would just need to take some time to come to it's full fulfillment, etc. But God the Spirit "saw it" after what Jesus did finally, whereas He couldn't fully see it before, but now that He could now "see it", etc, it means is was for sure 100% successful, 100% completely.

So we are "post" all of that now, the signs and wonders stage I mean maybe. And due to God's perspective on it now, and maybe everything now, maybe He just isn't in the business of doing them like He once was anymore now completely, etc.

We saw what happened back then with the world and with all of this/these being done for sure, etc, and a bunch of them, and a bunch of different kinds of ones, everything that was undeniably impossible, right in front of their face, etc, and how did the world react back then? Well, they crucified our Risen Lord, etc. So do you really think it would ever be any different today? Cause it wouldn't. It was tried a bunch of different times long, long before Jesus already, and it never proved successful, or even ever very lasting, 100% of the time, 100% completely.

Now, some say that we might see things like this get resurrected right before the very end of the 6th day someday, and we might see some of that maybe, etc. But just don't ever expect the world to ever repent, or ever truly change because of it ever completely. Because our book says most of them won't, etc, but will just rally at or against God, and/or get angry, etc.

Most of your's mistake, is in thinking the world is in any way different today.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

Luke 16:31 (NKJV): 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”

The real truth is, is that we already had not just Jesus, but many followers of his, doing all kinds of miracles and healings (and signs and wonders and deliverances) back then. And what was it's effect then, etc? Because the real truth is, is that none of the miracles and healings (and deliverances and signs and wonders) never really did anything back then, etc. Not in a way that would stand the test of time anyway. And also, the miracles and healings (and signs and wonders) were not really the point even, even way back then really, etc.

He did not say that the effect that the miracles and healings (and signs and wonders) had on people would not pass away (because he knew they would) but that it would only be his teaching that would have and everlasting effect permanently, etc. So focusing too much on them, causes you to be missing the point entirely, etc. What was most important was his teaching, etc. And regardless of whether anyone would heed it or not, it would still always and eternally be always right forever, and would/will outlast everything, etc. Even this whole entire creations being completely done away with, and/or passing away, or completely ending, etc. But the effect of the signs, or that the signs have, always passes away. And it usually only takes a couple of generations at that, before the effect of them passes away, etc. Which is nothing compared to a teaching that will stand/last for all eternity, etc.

And all those people that were healed or whatever in this way, could not only very easily be undone again, but death itself still catches up with everyone eventually, so it was really not at all about any of the signs or wonders really, but they were all pretty much unimportant, and might have even been done flippantly, but were most definitely secondary, and maybe even very much more less than secondary, etc.

People always like to say they'd believe if they saw anything like that easily, but that is not even anywhere close to the real truth really, etc, and God and Jesus knew/already knows this already. I know you may not believe in a book like Judges, because too many generations have now passed for that really, but how many times did God in the OT keep on supernaturally delivering them over and over and over again continually? They would start out delivered/fully believing in and following God, and walking in His ways, but then after just one or two generations, would get themselves back into trouble again (disobedience/sin) and have to see signs and wonders and/or be supernaturally delivered again, and then over and over and over again continually, etc.

So you see, signs and wonders are never a permanent solution, but the only thing that ever stood a chance like that, would only be some very, very revolutionary moral and behavioral teaching, etc.

I think God in the OT/Holy Spirit in the NT, is only where this kind of power can ever come from completely, and maybe after what he tried to do in the OT, and then later on with Jesus, maybe after Jesus, it really all was 100% genuinely and truly "finished" completely, and after that, God that was in the OT, and is the Holy Spirit in the NT, no longer saw a very good reason to maybe do or perform them anymore after that maybe, etc. What Jesus did, completely defeated the Holy Spirit's enemy the Devil (Satan), and conquered sin and death once and for all and forever, but would just need to take some time to come to it's full fulfillment, etc. But God the Spirit "saw it" after what Jesus did finally, whereas He couldn't fully see it before, but now that He could now "see it", etc, it means is was for sure 100% successful, 100% completely.

So we are "post" all of that now, the signs and wonders stage I mean maybe. And do to God's perspective on it now, and maybe everything now, maybe He just isn't in the business of doing them like He once was now anymore completely, etc.

We saw what happened back then with the world and with all of this/these being done for sure, etc, and a bunch of them, and a bunch of different kinds of ones, everything that was undeniably impossible, right in front of their face, etc, and how did the world react back then? Well, they crucified our Risen Lord, etc. So do you really think it would ever be any different today? Cause it wouldn't. It was tried a bunch of different times long, long before Jesus already, and it never proved successful, or even ever very lasting, 100% of the time, 100% completely.

Now, some say that we might see things like this get resurrected right before the very end of the 6th day someday, and we might see some of that maybe, etc. But just don't ever expect the world to ever repent, or ever truly change because of it ever completely. Because our book says most of them won't, etc, but will just rally at or against God, and/or get angry, etc.

Most of your's mistake, is in thinking the world is in any way different today.

God Bless.

And for all those individuals who say they'd most certainly believe if a real miracle was done right in front of their face!

To those of you who would say that, I say, no, you wouldn't believe if a real miracle was done right in front of your face, not if it's going to hold you accountable to judgement, which is the problem a lot of people will have with it in the end times, or in the very last days.

Faith, is what God is looking for in the very last days, and if a miracle holds you accountable to judgement, it will mean you had no faith during those last days, etc.

John 20:29 (NKJV): "Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Luke 18:8 (NKJV): "Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?”

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

And for all those individuals who say they'd most certainly believe if a real miracle was done right in front of their face!

To those of you who would say that, I say, no, you wouldn't believe if a real miracle was done right in front of your face, not if it's going to hold you accountable to judgement, which is the problem a lot of people will have with it in the end times, or in the very last days.

Faith, is what God is looking for in the very last days, and if a miracle holds you accountable to judgement, it will mean you had no faith during those last days, etc.

John 20:29 (NKJV): "Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Luke 18:8 (NKJV): "Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?”

God Bless.

Ask me and I'll tell you a "sacred secret" about faith.

God Bless.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Then you need to buy a kirlian camera. That is able to photograph to see the healing energy.

Fraudulent.

Kirlian Photography | Quackwatch

 

[Neogaia777]

Ask me and I'll tell you a "sacred secret" about faith.

God Bless.

Alright, I'll give you this one for free I guess.

God told me not to be holding out on you guys, so...?

Here it is: Your faith is only as great as your level of doubt. And those with the greatest faith are only those who always overcame the greatest level of doubt by always taking/choosing the greatest leap of faith always when it came to their faith in God, etc. But it only ever takes just a little bit of faith always, etc. So as long as you have that, you've got a guaranteed ticket in, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

Alright, I'll give you this one for free I guess.

God told me not to be holding out on you guys, so...?

Here it is: Your faith is only as great as your level of doubt. And those with the greatest faith are only those who always overcame the greatest level of doubt by always taking/choosing the greatest leap of faith always when it came to their faith in God, etc. But it only ever takes just a little bit of faith always, etc. So as long as you have that, you've got a guaranteed ticket in, etc.

God Bless.

Guess which level of faith I have?

But it really doesn't matter though, since I want to be a vagabond in Heaven anyway, and both God and I already knows this, etc.

There is no want in Heaven, so it will not be like being a vagabond here, etc.

But I will promise to visit, or check in on the rest of you all there from time to time, etc.

Maybe stop in and have a meal with you all in your houses from time to time, etc.

My leap/leaps of faith is kind of like stepping over some cracks in the sidewalk compared to the rest of you really, etc.

But I also greatly, greatly admire some of the rest of you also, because some of you are so very much more capable of where I am not, etc. And I very much admire and greatly respect you for that, etc.

Jesus made it a point of greatly admiring/respecting those with great faith also, etc.

You really think a mustard seed size grain of faith conquered sin and death once and for all forever and the entire known world?

Matthew 20:16 (NKJV): "So the last (and least) will be first (greatest), and the first (and greatest) (will be also) last (or least).”

God Bless.

 

[Ace777]

Fraudulent.

Your article makes a lot of claims that I am not making. It us just another strawman like everything else on here. People give off different colors and those colors are usually associated with something. I do not HAVE to prove that healing is a gift because the Bible says we are all given gifts. So that is all the evidence we need if you see that or not.

1 Cor …8To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits,

There maybe people in the health care profession that DO NOT have the gift of healing. But common sense will tell us that most people DO have that gift and that is WHY they are doing that for a living.

It does not matter who is and who is not a fraud. The placebo effect has been proven on every study that has ever been done. IT IS THE STANDARD that we go by> THERE IS NO QUESTION that the placebo effect is effective in healing people

 

[Larniavc]

I would not be alive talking to you right now If my wife and son had not prayed for me.

But that means that God changed his mind about killing you with a coma. Is that really what you mean to say?

 

[Larniavc]

Then you need to buy a kirlian camera. That is able to photograph to see the healing energy.

Kirlian photography is poppycock.

Kirlian photography - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Ace777]

But that means that God changed his mind about killing you with a coma. Is that really what you mean to say?

Do you make stuff up as you go along. GOD told me that IF I would live right HE would not have to revive me. There are plenty of scriptures in the Bible about how we can live a long life and be in good health.

YOU can not mock God. Still He is faithful and true and HIS love is never ending without limit. WE ONLY limit ourselves.

1 Corinthians 14 33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

 

[Larniavc]

People give off different colors and those colors are usually associated with something.

No they don’t and they aren’t.

 

[Larniavc]

YOU can not mock God.

I’m not mocking God. I’m pointing out your illogicality.

 

[Ace777]

Kirlian photography is poppycock.

Claims that people make maybe poppycock. It is what it is and it does what it does. If you do not want to accept it as proof of anything that is fine. I don't care. I do not have the money to buy one so I have never experimented around with it myself.

Kirlian photography can show different colors for different people. This technique captures the electrical coronal discharge around objects, often referred to as an “aura.” The colors in Kirlian photographs are believed to represent various aspects of a person’s physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual state12.

For example, different parts of a person’s body might produce different colors. The heart region might show an intense blue, while the forearm could appear greenish-blue3. These variations are thought to reflect the unique energy fields of individuals.

 

[Ace777]

I’m not mocking God.

Yes you are by suggesting that God can contradict Himself. THAT is impossible. God can not contradict Himself.

 

[Larniavc]

It is what it is and it does what it does.

No it doesn’t. That’s why it’s not of a doctor’s training.

 

[Larniavc]

These variations are thought to reflect the unique energy fields of individuals

Evidence that what is ‘thought’ is actually the case, please.

 

[Larniavc]

Yes you are by suggesting that God can contradict Himself.

You said that. You clearly stated that prayer was effective in changing your post coma fate.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Claims that people make maybe poppycock. It is what it is and it does what it does. If you do not want to accept it as proof of anything that is fine. I don't care. I do not have the money to buy one so I have never experimented around with it myself.

Kirlian photography can show different colors for different people. This technique captures the electrical coronal discharge around objects, often referred to as an “aura.” The colors in Kirlian photographs are believed to represent various aspects of a person’s physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual state12.

For example, different parts of a person’s body might produce different colors. The heart region might show an intense blue, while the forearm could appear greenish-blue3. These variations are thought to reflect the unique energy fields of individuals.

Heat discharge and 'aura' are not the same thing.